I realize your getting feedback from people who haven't actually gone. And I'm one of those too, but I've spoken to a few that have gone and listened to many podcasts that often make reference to Burning Man, and it seems to be lie what Flakie_Passion said.

I hear that Burning Man is not about raving. From what people told me they spend most of their time chatting. They visit all the tents, trade all kinds of silly and necessary things. Also a main attraction is all the conferences taking place at all kinds of different hours. I was even told once that the dance floor is the most empty spot, people are really buzzing around meeting new people. From the videos, people seem to mainly build crazy apparatus, costumes an ride along like mad hatter.

I think you should go. Read all the info on their site, the way they do things seems to be different from our parties. Lots of safety and logistic concerns.

I read 90% of the posts, skimmed over the opinion wars, and it seems to be that there is an initial ambiguity as to what is meant by polyamoury, I realized you guys hashed it out, nonetheless I think there is an important difference between (a) having a main partner along with having a few lets say secondary relationships and (b) having several equal partners, as in no main-live-in partner. It's not a problem of semantics, but two completely different situations. The dynamics would be different.

I find option (a) very interesting. And if I were to be polyamourous, that's how I would like it to be, have one main dependable lover while exploring/living other intimate relationships with a few select others with no promises of commitment. ...As I write this, I see the monogamy way-of-life seeping in.

Personally, between long-term relationships, I always dated several individuals, until I settled on one. And, after several months of dating the same people it can almost feel like polyamoury.

The last bit of personal information I will share, is that, since a young age in high school I had the vision of being in a, I forget what Yoshin said it was called, relationship of 2 women and 2 men, a 4-way complete relationship, preferably where each person is bisexual, and have children mated both ways (men fathering children with each women). I think it's very duable. I never actually pursued it, just an idea I've always had. My bf and I are not actively seeking a complimentary couple ;) On a serious note, the main reason I like this idea is that with having 4 parents, four adults, almost guarantees that no soccer game will be missed, no child will be left unsupervised, no child will be left unloved or unheard, not to mention four incomes pooled towards a collective goal. Of course, single parents can pull that off too. And, coordinating 4 parents and however many children would take organizational skills, but life is funny sometimes, it amazing what people can work out without pulling out their hair.

Lastly, what pisses me off, is people in open-relationship that don't mention it!!!!! That's all kinds of wrong, if you want people to respect your open relationship, respect the that the other wants a monogamous relationship ;p (yes, it happened to me hehehe).

Happy Loving Sex Bunnies

agreed, I have't been to a busted event in years. I go out on average less than once a month.

this seems like it could work with hardcore... might definitely get the ones how like the hard beats to go to more hardcore parties.

st-jean would be a great opportunity, outdoor free event... (with 3 promoters)

I know peet have done something similar, it was psy, dnb (iDJ crew & company) and hardtek (avec les francais), it was CRAZY!

this time it would could psy, dubstep and hardcore :p

yes

:)

Warning: Incoming Game did that this pass year... but yeah, a summer gig would be cool.

I hate dreaming x( makes me feel like I'm living two lives, when I remember them it makes me feel exhausted, nightmares don't particularly bother me more than "normal" dreams.

Do you often have nightmares after E? Do they have the same themes? Are they always right after a night of party or it can be throughout the week? (Sorry the psychologist just jumped out)

It is possible that the increased levels of NT in your nervous system affect the dream process, like an over activation of certain neuronal networks that would normally be more or less quiet during dreaming...?

a line up that isn't just one genre but in the same family

eletro, breakbeat, house, tech, full on, dark, morning, goa

ragga, jungle, dnb, dubstep, whatever else fits

some kind of intense progression throughout the night

a tad off topic, but I just want to add that, yes we know that the nervous system is resilient when it comes to abusing drugs that increase serotonin levels (neurons will regenerate if provided the necessary nutrients), note that this says nothing about the condition of the heart, liver, kidneys or colon. The heart is greatly affected by drugs that increase serotonin and dopamine levels (this damage I believe is dependent on the mechanisms that the drugs uses to increase the levels e.g., block reuptake pump, causes leaky vesicles, increase NT release by an increase in vesicle release, inhibits acetylesterase etc.,), heart damage include excessive wear and tear of the arteries and malfunction of NT receptors. We should also be warry of the damage to the filter organs, although that I don't know anything about.

I would also agree with Daf that there is a lot of "psychedelic drugs are medicine" opinions lately, although I am not entirely sure on how many actually really believe that except Yoshin and a few others. I said it before, I may be a psychonaut once in a while, but I strongly disagree with the school of thought purported by McKenna & friends.

Lastly, I am sticking with "why do pple take drugs?" --> for the experience ! For the experience of what!? that doesn't matter, that would be the motivation part, the reason is for plain old personal experience :)

true, you can't hear my tone of voice or see the smirk on my face! Often forget that when I am writing, should have put a :p or something, also it was a simple reply to the previous post about dubstep, but again is was a reference to my taste in music and not quality or frequency of event, although you are right, I misspoke(wrote).

I agree that harder beats bring the younger crowds!! but I am tending to disagree that dark psy brings younger peeps, I've noticed that the only survivors of dark psy are the older more experienced rave dancers, younger peeps like the hard full on tunnel (psy)trance, like frozen ghost or what not, while dark psy, Russian steez usually kills most baby ravers :p When Shangoo plays the floor usually clears out with a few exceptions. Just my opinion.

progressive psy definitely brings out the older crowd!!!!!!! And Ambient even more so, or maybe just more seasoned hippies :D

sticking with dubstep = young ;) heehee

I'm a ex-waste islander :p grew up there, always went to psy events ;) The Waste is a great place to grow up, it's teenage central, it was a blast growing up, downtown pple usually hated us (they could spot us a mile away, lol)

I've noticed that the dub rooms are usually filled with young preppy kids, didn't see many (older) adults, perhaps the bar nights are different?

I like dubstep, do a lot of homework listening to the stuff, we (montreal) have a great podcast!! Just don't dance to it...

Definitely satisfy your curiosity by going to an event!!! no substitution for personal experience!!!

I didn't see anyone actually write the best parties are the ones without hardcore... In my post, I certainly didn't imply it, was a simply reference to my taste of music, and not events. Also, I don't think there are any psy event organizers that posted in this thread... perhaps you know that they have that specific attitude...? However, I do agree that there seems to be a lot of competition within the scene, although I think life is like that in general. Moreover, the ones who throw the tuesday and wednesday events are not the peace ohm preaching kind psy-organizers (unless there is a hippie night I don't know about).

In general, "best party of 2010" is a subjective topic in nature, and if there are more psy parties per month or per year as well as more active [ rave.ca ] users that listen to psy (I don't actually know, just saying, if), there is a very high probability that more psy events will get mentioned. Which is no way directly related to the quality or frequency of other music-type parties.

I don't go to parties other than psy (if there are several rooms with different kinds or music, I really don't care, I go if there is a good psy room), so I could not possible vote in another event, which again, means nothing other than a way to express my taste in music.

Lastly, I know several promoters and party goers of different styles of music, and they are just as ohm as the psy guys (if my generalize for argument sake), they just don't preach it and put hindu posters up.

anwyays...

Energy drinks irritate the kidneys...

The rockstar mocha tastes awesome, had a one a few times in the dancing in the morning at the outdoor parties this summer, I had trouble hanging on to it, everyone wanted a sip :p

I try to get organic energy drinks, recently got some from the company USANA, but I don't like them, goes straight to my bladder...

word

brutal.

"what I wonder is why use any of those techniques (taking drugs or meditating). I see the motivations but not much of the reasons. perhaps this would be more pertinent to a philosophy group."

touché

will pounder, although not sure you can compartmentalize, tease apart where motivation ends and where the reason why begins, they seem connected to me. I guess we do it for the experience

I'm narrow minded because I don't like ONE style of music... weird...
It was in no way a reference to hardcore events...! I would not even be bothered to go to an event with a psy and hardcore room... been to a few actually. I'm sorry you were offend.

my post was indeed a reply to sex.is.boring, I've noticed the posts do get off topic on here... I should try to be more mindful next time.

p.s. I don't like opera either :p no matter how powerful it sounds

They also give me stomach aches. The gurus aren't bad though

hahahaha

I'd say any party without hardcore, happy or otherwise

it doesn't help that he has been changing his DJ name lately... aka MANU and unam lol





you have a point there, huge names have come to MTL all to disappoint (not often, but it has happened), just makes the local DJs look/sound that much better :p

psytrance outdoor festical : space gathering, there is so much to do and not do :p

psytrance indoor party: this pass secret society had a nice vibe and the electronic brains are always professional :)

I also think cats are sensitive to how you are feeling. They always make sure to be part of important events that are happening to me when I am at home! They seem to be very in tune with their surroundings and channel energy effectively. Contact high? (in the sense of the term, not literal touching, as Yoshin explain earlier)

I wasn't aiming at you Yoshin, it was a general statement that there is a lot of misinformation on the internet and in documentaries. Also a general statement towards the fact that even in research articles, the authors interpret the results of the research in a way they see fit, they assimilate the information in a way that fits with their understanding. It makes the consumerism of information difficult. As usual, I am being too hard on us, and stating limitations that are impossible to circumvent.

I would agree that you can absorb certain substances through you skin, whether it will have an effect is another story (it would depends on e.g., the concentration and metabolism of the chemical). And I would agree that you probably cannot leak a substance through your skin into the exterior environment, like you said, the body would break down and eliminate most of what was ingested and a small quantity would make it pass the BBB. What makes me curious is whether a substantial amount would find its way into skin cells and in what form.

the fact that there is a small and probably impure dose of LSD on a blotters makes sense...

but touching LSD and getting high is not the same as being high and touching someone else who then gets high...

could you get drunk from bathing in alcohol ;)

I wouldn't take the word of a user over the word of for example a biochemist :p

Just because you read what other people think (e.g., wikipedia) and use drugs doesn't mean you understand or are even reading accurate information.

Nothing short from studying a chemical reaction from a cell physiology perspective could answer this question.

Vet's take several board course, like MDs, on biochemistry. They really only know what they specialize in, although they sure could research the topic effectively.

I think perhaps asking a pharmacist to look into it would be the best, easiest, bet. They specialize in drug uptake. You can trust the advice of a pharmacist over that of an MD when it comes to drugs (drugs in the broad sense, not specifically illicit).

I don't have the "courage" to ask, if any of you do, please send on over the info :p I don't have the background (yet) to understand the research papers being published in this field.

I hear many pple get paranoid on weed... Happens to me once in a while, I just shrug it off or start talking :p

no smoke inside :)

I really enjoy their approach, but they beat to a different rhythm. Either there is not psytrance or the date of their party really doesn't mix in my schedule :p

When I was younger, late teens young adult, I did psychedelics for the TRIP! We would get together, everyone would take their respect doses and we would chill out together, roam together, play music, have wild conversations and it was all about the experience, together. It was really amazing and I will never forget those moments in the forest or in a house or in the street, or on the bus! The trips would then provide weeks of more conversations until we had all hashed out everything we felt and how the trip went. Really magical.

Now, last few years, I take them for stamina :S They keep me going all night-ish, and because this is the only reason I am using, it is getting boring and meaningless.

all read... just nothing to add.

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if your stuck, I'll do it for any 3 hours... I wasn't planning on coming out so I am not compromising party-time :p Not that I didn't want to attend black magic, just spent my allocated leisure cash already :p PM me if necessary

I second that, although I don't think drugs should be the answer... school, activities, games, sports, meditation?

I am looking forwards to a new venue, it means new trips, new adventures, new different vibe. Change is good. I am happy to hear the space crew will go for it, maybe something smaller and more psychedelic! Of course a venue with a lake would be ideal!!! Although I like it when it's less warm, that way I can actually come out during the day :p

I worked the door at space 2 years in a row, last year I was stuck with one of the sites employees and she had pretty much only complaints about us, it was tiering, it shows she had no idea the of the time and energy required to put such an event together, she kept on focusing on tiny mistakes that happen and are easily corrected, oh well.

I am also looking forwards to psymind/openmind, I missed it last year, I hope it will be as crazy again as everyone described it :)

I don't think there will be space gathering next year...

p.s. festivals are not invite only.. they are big productions, more the merrier.

next summer it will be psymind and natura, also El Hal but that one might be a semi private function depending on the location. Not to miss is the St-Jean party as well

is Alfred like cocktail?

I don't see a link, obviously if I saw one I would of clicked on it. I thought perhaps there was another post some where in the forum with a similar topic. Next time you fail to see or understand something I hope the one who will show you the way will be more gracious than you have been.

I rolled my mouse on the text trying to see if there was a link I couldn't see (be it because of my colours or not).

You can always count on an ass to act like on, thanks for the consistency.

for the record, I also tried to google the topic, albeit quickly, and didn't find any note worthy results. Maybe if someone would have posted the UPAC name for the compound I would of found it on my own. Thanks for nothing screwhead.

I'm not sure I know what you mean...

what is DOx or DOB? what does it stand for?

just a little stoned :p