So Who Here Actually Buys Their Music?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown replied on Sun Jun 28, 2009 @ 8:59pm |
 Coolness: 221760 | Originally Posted By OMNI
I'm not too sure about that one. I play only burnt CDs (who buys CD singles anyways?)... yet they are all filled with music that I bought online on sites such as Beatport. True and a very good point.. i've been buying all my music since i started spinning. now, thanks to places like Beatport, you can get a WAVE file for under 4$'s.. i burn that shit up on a CD, and even make a printed label if / when i feel like it and VOILA.. okay, worst case, wrap it up in saran-wrap just to get that "off the shelf" feel. I don't wanna argue with anyone on this matter so i'll keep neutral and say "I would feel bad playing mp3's i didn't pay for." |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bob_ replied on Sun Jun 28, 2009 @ 9:52pm |
 Coolness: 102200 | ok here's what i think but keep in mind that i'm not a dj at all, just a producer.
first, i bought my DAW, computer, controller, monitors and other studio gear but only a few plug-ins are cracked. i'm not making money with my music so at some point i don't care but if i can make some money out of it, i would buy those plug-ins for sure. even if i did some tracks with some cracked vst's, i spend alot of time making my tunes so i don't consider that the same thing as dl a track and play it, at least there's work in it. the digital era changed the whole music industry, pour le meilleur et pour le pire. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Sun Jun 28, 2009 @ 11:45pm |
 Coolness: 166540 | Originally Posted By OMNI
I'm not too sure about that one. I play only burnt CDs (who buys CD singles anyways?)... yet they are all filled with music that I bought online on sites such as Beatport. i knew someone was gonna nitpick on my sentence... i meant that if it's a CD of low-quality Dled burnt tracks on a dirty old disc.. my post was long enough so i didn't want to get into a long run-on sentence detailing that we should make exceptions 'cause some DJs burn play their own music on burnt CD (like i also do) and ppl like one lab rat who bring burnt versions of their store-bought albums to keep 'em safe at home... well, guess i had to specify anyway! :P sense of humor: no one has one around here? ;) oh wait, Frank does: Originally Posted By mutante
don't forget : home fucking is killing prostitution...... hahaha!! so is masturbation - which is even more free :P --- i really feel that playing a few Dled tracks here and there doesn't hurt anyone (unless the songs suck ass).. .. and most of you are forgetting the part where DJs used to be regarded as the ppl who helped PROMOTE other artists' music. DJs used to be given records for that reason, so that others would go out and buy the record. problem now is that DJs are the target market, 'cause ppl go out to a bar/party to hear those tunes, they don't by a 12 inch d'n'b plate just to listen to at home. but DJ's buy those records to play them out... so they are the consumers. if companies don't sell techno to DJs, they won't sell many albums at all. (as far as i can tell) but, subtone, if you're talking specifically about leaked/unreleased tunes, then yeah, that's a different story. i guess it's like some ppl are cheating? anyways, i don't think we have that problem w/ hardcore. most HC artists are just happy someone is playing their fucked up tracks :P - lol --- [ rave.ca ] has gone over this subject time and time again.. it's a question of opinion, and where your musical ethics lie. i just think it's one of those 'case by case' topics, where some exceptions can and should be made. meh, the whole thing is: 'free art vs. artists need to eat and invest in making better art' and Melo, someone playing a shit copy of a tune you bought and planned on playing yourself! shitty!! /epically long post :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 3:11pm |
 Coolness: 83870 | Originally Posted By SUBTONE
a LOT of people in this thread don't seem to understand what leaked, unreleased tracks are. No one can stop you from playing vinyl rips, and it would be pretty hard to prove (even though its blatantly obvious when a VBR vinyl rip is mixed into a 320k mp3). So let me get this straight... we're not bitching about ppl downloading tunes for free that are available to buy... we're bitching about downloading tunes that are NOT available to buy yet??? this is why doa is so fuckin' stupid man... here's an idea... instead of bitching at the hundreds of downloaders who are obviously so stoked on the tune that they'll get it what ever way they can, why don't they bitch at the UPLOADER who they obviously sent the promos too? Like... don't shit on your fan base because some asshole at dj magazine (or whatever) thinks its cool to share advance promos with his friends. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 3:17pm |
 Coolness: 685585 | yeah, part of that also comes from how fucking LONG it takes for shit to come out.. The Ewun album Wun Nation that I wanted to get took over 1 *YEAR* to get released.. *4* tunes that were FINISHED took 1 whole year to come out.. They were all over Ewun and Evol Intent mixes for even longer than that.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JEE3.14_agricole replied on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 4:12pm |
 Coolness: 107230 | i buy my music 99.9% of the time from juno records and beatport.. im small time and still learning tho and when playing in private / free events will sometimes pull out some stuff i didnt pay for.
im not too familiar yet with the way this works as im a newb dj but i do have a sense of ethics and i do understand what it means to try to promote / make $$ out of the music i play at events. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Subtone replied on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 4:48pm |
 Coolness: 34885 | Originally Posted By MURDOCK_ROCK
So let me get this straight... we're not bitching about ppl downloading tunes for free that are available to buy... we're bitching about downloading tunes that are NOT available to buy yet??? this is why doa is so fuckin' stupid man... here's an idea... instead of bitching at the hundreds of downloaders who are obviously so stoked on the tune that they'll get it what ever way they can, why don't they bitch at the UPLOADER who they obviously sent the promos too? Like... don't shit on your fan base because some asshole at dj magazine (or whatever) thinks its cool to share advance promos with his friends. Vinyl rips and leaked dubplates, as per all my posts in this thread. My major issue is leaked dubplates. If you're gonna download tunes, make sure they're good quality so that you're atleast playing the artists' tracks the way they're meant to be heard, also make sure they've been released. Again, Variable bit rate mp3 vinyl rips sound like shit. No one can stop you from playing them, but your sets will sound like ass and people who have experienced ears know the difference right away. Playing leaked dubplates you dont have permission to play is fuckin retarded. I think Ive repeated myself enough in this thread. I will possibly come back if someone else wants to chime in with a confession. Your responses are all appreciated, sorry for not having replied to everyone. Update » Subtone wrote on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 4:59pm I think the majority of leaking occurs from producers' close friends, which is why I dont send my unreleased tracks out to anyone who isnt a producer at a similar or higher level than me. The other possibility is cds being stolen or left behind at gigs.
Many people are starting to watermark their unreleased tracks now to weed out the leakers. Someone who plays leaked unreleased tracks in public mixes is NOT a fan. They;re severly damaging any future sales from the leaked tune (assuming a label wants to even sign it - wont happen these days) and they're advertising the availability of the leaked track, further hurting the artist. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 4:51pm |
 Coolness: 86500 | playing unreleased tracks without permission is very very wrong.
the whole dubplate code is sacred. the producer chooses what key DJs he thinks are good enough to push his sound. nobody else should have it I don't know how these tracks are getting leaked in the first place. somebody should be held accountable for going against the code. you can actually get in a lot of trouble fucking around like that.. and not legal trouble either. If i want a dubplate, I ask the producer. he either agrees and sends me the .wav, or he says no. it's nothing personal. that's how it goes. it doesn't matter how badly I want it, doesn't matter how long it will take to be released, if ever. it's a dubplate. it's meant to be exclusive. same with rare tracks. i would have people pestering me online to rip them rare whitelabels that I have and send them the wav. I am not pirating jungle. fuck that. how about searching for it for years and getting your own copy, like I did. damn these people are so lazy and half-assed and... this is the worst. people who remix old jungle tracks and release them under THEIR name. they don't even credit the original pioneer who did the famous original. it takes me all of a couple days to track down a producer, get in touch, and do business, and I don't even produce - I'm just a DJ. most of these guys are very cool and reasonable to work with. I can't believe some of these brats put out official releases - cheap remixes of other producer's music - without contacting them, or crediting them on the label info. that is so disrespectful and corny. as Subtone said, a lot of people nowadays don't really seem to see the difference between those who do things fraudulently, and those who do it proper. some of the new breed of DJs nowadays have such a sense of entitlement. I'm very comptemptuous of that. but as Murdock pointed out, bootlegging, piracy has been going on for a long time. on the old jungle pirate-radio broadcasts, that's why they would contstantly put in little jingles over top the mixes. they are doing that to mark the tunes, so rivals can't record them and cut them to dubplate. I don't sweat it. but you have to set your own standards. I've been given a few unreleased tracks and VIPs from England. I know exactly which handful of people have them on dubplate. If i heard someone else somehow playing a stolen copy of it, I'd contact the producer and put a stop to it. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» sabinonstop replied on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 6:55pm |
 Coolness: 92425 | I agree with subtone for the fact that badly sounding
downloaded mp3's is a dishonor to the artist but very dangerous for peoples hearing,especially when going +9 in the mid & trebles. I shited in my pants when i restarted djing in 2005,hearing so many amateur dj's playing 100% shitty sounding tracks and faking it!WTF I wish someone could invent a fakeditector machine which would probably eliminate 60% of shitty dj's out there and the rest of us would actually would make decent money without having to sell-out at comercial clubs or gayclubs where they actually make money! But yA,what comes around,comes around,i remember a while ago i lent a hand to some d&b dj's and they still owe me 500$,so ya take it easy subtone,the living is easy! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ufot replied on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 9:49pm |
 Coolness: 93095 | Personally, I buy, I trade, I steal, I give back... I have been in the game for a long time now folks, spent thousands and thousands of dollars, I have no guilt about anything I have done or am currently doing, nor will I ever. The art of Dj'ing has changed face many times and will continue to do so, current popular trends might not have existed back in the day because they were not available, had they been, well... Sparing the moral high ground, honestly, if I was a painter and I found some free buckets of paint and painted something, do you think I would feel guilty about my creation? And if some one showed interest in purchasing my creation, would it have no value because the paint was free? This debate is rather short sighted and very illogical, it is subjective opinions and comes down to personal choices. You want to support artists you like? Pay to see them in show or buy their music on, or offline, period. You don't give a shit about said artist? By all means, steal their shit if you can. If you chose to rub other peoples noses in your moral standards, good luck with that. Personally, I know what I do, I know what I pay for(and what I dont), I know how I contribute to electronic music culture (locally and globally) and I know how I give back.
On the topic of Legal Creations VS Pirated Creations : If people thieve my tracks online (which they do, heck I allow them to by posting them for free) and play them out, you think I will be angry? NO, because that means, somewhere, a dance floor is moving to a dj playing MY tunes. If enough people thieve my music, it may cause promoters to chose to book me, so in the end, I actually am making money from other people thieving my shit. Furthering this argument, if Dangermouse hadn't stolen music from both the Beatles and Jay-Z, then the grey album would have never existed(we are taking about THE most downloaded album of 2005)! Art is creation, it takes time, imagination, motivation, tools and effort. If you chose to narrow or regulate your artistic endeavors via your moral belief system, it is your choice, but it does not make you a better or more valid artist than your peers, it simply implies that you chose to do things a certain way. IF I ever happen to generate enough income through my art creation to buy licensed versions of the production software tools I am currently using to produce my tunes with, I will. BUT, until that day comes, I am more than happy to use pirated versions supplied to me by like-minded creative individuals via the interwebz. Now, for those of you who've actually taken the time to read this reply, feel free to tare me a new asshole, kiss my asshole or give me a high five for honesty, integrity or simply my personal choices. Ufot-music is my life but it hasn't paid the rent yet... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue Jun 30, 2009 @ 12:42am |
 Coolness: 145195 | I'VE SAID IT BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN DRUM AND BASS IS FOR FAGS... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Tue Jun 30, 2009 @ 2:27am |
 Coolness: 282450 | you sure you don't mean house? lol |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue Jun 30, 2009 @ 9:29am |
| Coolness: 145195 | lol i listen to zee gayest house on zee planet
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Tue Jun 30, 2009 @ 12:06pm |
 Coolness: 106110 | Originally Posted By UFOT
Personally, I buy, I trade, I steal, I give back... I have been in the game for a long time now folks, spent thousands and thousands of dollars, I have no guilt about anything I have done or am currently doing, nor will I ever. The art of Dj'ing has changed face many times and will continue to do so, current popular trends might not have existed back in the day because they were not available, had they been, well... Sparing the moral high ground, honestly, if I was a painter and I found some free buckets of paint and painted something, do you think I would feel guilty about my creation? And if some one showed interest in purchasing my creation, would it have no value because the paint was free? This debate is rather short sighted and very illogical, it is subjective opinions and comes down to personal choices. You want to support artists you like? Pay to see them in show or buy their music on, or offline, period. You don't give a shit about said artist? By all means, steal their shit if you can. If you chose to rub other peoples noses in your moral standards, good luck with that. Personally, I know what I do, I know what I pay for(and what I dont), I know how I contribute to electronic music culture (locally and globally) and I know how I give back. On the topic of Legal Creations VS Pirated Creations : If people thieve my tracks online (which they do, heck I allow them to by posting them for free) and play them out, you think I will be angry? NO, because that means, somewhere, a dance floor is moving to a dj playing MY tunes. If enough people thieve my music, it may cause promoters to chose to book me, so in the end, I actually am making money from other people thieving my shit. Furthering this argument, if Dangermouse hadn't stolen music from both the Beatles and Jay-Z, then the grey album would have never existed(we are taking about THE most downloaded album of 2005)! Art is creation, it takes time, imagination, motivation, tools and effort. If you chose to narrow or regulate your artistic endeavors via your moral belief system, it is your choice, but it does not make you a better or more valid artist than your peers, it simply implies that you chose to do things a certain way. IF I ever happen to generate enough income through my art creation to buy licensed versions of the production software tools I am currently using to produce my tunes with, I will. BUT, until that day comes, I am more than happy to use pirated versions supplied to me by like-minded creative individuals via the interwebz. Now, for those of you who've actually taken the time to read this reply, feel free to tare me a new asshole, kiss my asshole or give me a high five for honesty, integrity or simply my personal choices. Ufot-music is my life but it hasn't paid the rent yet... High Five! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Tue Jun 30, 2009 @ 5:26pm |
 Coolness: 140680 | I play nothing but 128 kbps mp3s exclusive dubplates ripped from bbc1 mixes... no one has ever noticed!
no |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Tue Jun 30, 2009 @ 9:13pm |
 Coolness: 509555 | i started recently, it's the right thang if you can afford it..
only problem is that if you really had to buy all the music you wanted, you'd be broke |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Tue Jun 30, 2009 @ 9:22pm |
 Coolness: 91385 | Originally Posted By RAWALI
I play nothing but 128 kbps mp3s exclusive dubplates ripped from bbc1 mixes... no one has ever noticed! no i loled |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nodeletesucks replied on Tue Jun 30, 2009 @ 10:17pm |
 Coolness: 56015 | When I was a minor, I'd download all the songs I needed for the simple reason that I had no credit card. Two days after I was 18, I had my credit card and started buying all the tracks I needed. My internet browser have always Beatport, Trackitdown and Junodownload opened.
If I'm in a period that I have no money at all (like School Final Tests), I'll download the songs I need, then put them in my beatport crate and when I do have money, buy the WAV version so the artist that did the song can at least be paid for what he has done. If sometimes the producer sends me a promo, I'll keep it to myself and play it sometimes but never give the whole song. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ApR1zM replied on Wed Jul 1, 2009 @ 3:21am |
 Coolness: 164795 | the times are changing! and tracks are gonna be leaked no matter how u hate it! eminem's WHOLE album was leaked on the internet and you dont see him bitchin about it on the net hehe(ok ok not the same scale hehe but still he's losing REAL money)
also JAY Z released his track DEATH TO AUTOTUNE and some people said he lost 100k (itunes approx sale based on download of the single) if someone takes your track and shake his ass on youtube what you gonna do? SAY THANX for the support!!!!!! :))) and seriously if someone goes that far to get your tracks you should be happy to know that you are now part of the big boys and someone thinks you reprazent! if you wanna make money? do what the big time labels are doin ... MILK IT! make tshirts, DVDs , organise shows (dont just get booking) be creative ! but please guys stop talking about downloaded music! what is the real return on mp3s seriously? you have an almost 0$ cost developpement (except your time and it shouldnt be that bad since we all love to make music dont we?) i wanna see more business coming from artists but not selling single since its a deadend (but such a useful promo tool). People will play your song because its on JUNO or TRACK it DOWN so even tho they are not buying it they are noticing it :) btw all of [ RAve.ca ] producer who releases song should google themselves from time to time and they would be surprised that all their released have been rip and put on FORUMS. A solution : maybe you should all give free 192kps version of your tracks! and add infos on how to get the better quality ones! and if someone doesnt see the difference why should he paid anyways he's not competing with you ... theres actually a good interview with Greg Gillis about this he talks about his album NIGHT RIPPER and how it wouldve been impossible to contact all these people in a reasonable matter of time to use all the samples he did... but anyways i digress i think the thread is about LEAKED PROMO unreleased stuff! if you cant protect your track from the net ... good luck in life! whats next your ACCES D getting hacked and youre gonna blame hackers? but seriously if a dubplate mix is getting leaked maybe you are trusting the wrong people ... imagine if someone would hack BEATPORT or JUNO or worst a Producer's computer ! talk about getting caught with your pants down! anyways big up to Screwhead for making very praised work for his mixing and mashups I sincerely hope he doesnt stop. big up to all the producers and if someone steal your work! Be HAPPY and think about how you could take avantage of the situation (legally speaking!) btw most of today's 1$ a track producers(mp3,wav,flac) would not have been in a store 10 years ago. and i share Because i care ! peace |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Fri Jul 3, 2009 @ 3:04pm |
| Coolness: 140680 | Originally Posted By APR1ZM
A solution : maybe you should all give free 192kps version of your tracks! and add infos on how to get the better quality ones! and if someone doesnt see the difference why should he paid anyways he's not competing with you ... lots of people post their dubs online in 128 on sites like soundcloud |
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