So Who Here Actually Buys Their Music?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Subtone replied on Sat Jun 27, 2009 @ 5:09pm |
 Coolness: 34835 | I cant comment much on genres besides d'n'b but there seem to be a few of you downloading shitty vinyl mp3 rips, or leaked dubplates which you clearly don't have permission to play and using those in your recorded mix sets. Let me tell you that this is very much frowned upon. Firstly, those vinyl rips sound like crap, so not only are you doing a disservice to the artist by not paying for their music and playing inferior quality versions of their tunes, but you're also doing a huge disservice to yourself. To me, it's blatantly obvious that these are not legit 320k mp3s. The tracks sound like shit (especially live on a rig coming out of serato or torque with various stages of compression).
Regarding unreleased tracks, if you're going to be a d'n'b pirate and use deepbassnine or soulseek, don't flaunt it, keep it to yourself. After a certain 20+ page doa thread with over 20,000 views, this city is now officially the laughing stock of the international d'n'b community. There has to be some sort of oversight or quality control. I'm sick of people being praised for churning out total amateurish crap. The sad thing is, most listeners don't seem to know the difference. I'm not going to mention names, those who engage in these activities know who they are. Take this as a warning. If I see mixes posted on here with stolen/unreleased/illegal tunes, I will call you out. Unfortunately, there aren't many shortcuts to achievement. Hard work, perseverance, and solid networking are the keys to success in this game. |
| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Sat Jun 27, 2009 @ 5:19pm |
 Coolness: 152950 | wow, i produce hardcore, and im against illegal download for music played publicly (not in the dj's bedroom)
and i always get shitted-on (defending the bought of mp3's), on this board, nice to see that other people wants to comes here and talk about it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Sat Jun 27, 2009 @ 5:28pm |
 Coolness: 83820 | Too funny!!!
personally... i think DOA is fuckin' retarded anyway... and i run a label... so i'm not really into stealing music cuz it takes money out our pockets that could be put towards paying artists. but what can you do??? dj's husstle for tunes whatever way they can nowadays. especially for tunes that aren't readily available to the public. it's hussle or be hustled man. back in the day kids would chop up mixes with upfront tunes, re-edit them and run over to the dubplate house... it was frown upon then too... but my point being... it's all been said before. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ApR1zM replied on Sat Jun 27, 2009 @ 5:36pm |
 Coolness: 164745 | I understand your point of view but be very careful! the same music you defend against PIRATES is made from samples that haven been paid for (ex: READY OR NOT Dnb remix). So yeah you can go against all the lil dj downloading songs and putting up mixes but it doesnt change the fact that most HHC , DNB song uses(not always) uncleared samples(but a lot)!
I know Subtone is 100% original but lets be serious here what about all those WHITE LABEL and ANON remix :))) the scene itself is corrupted from day one! I believe Samples from movies would also fall into copyright infringement. but yeah i wouldnt dare posting a DNB set with a track from a local that i would not have paid for! btw posting a DJ MIX is a showcase of your mixing! not your tracks ! i have a lot of respect for mashup artists like GIRL TALK and i dont think he buys all the songs. I dunno the world is changing i cant wait to see who will survive ! peace |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Subtone replied on Sat Jun 27, 2009 @ 5:55pm |
| Coolness: 34835 | Thanks for the responses.
Originally Posted By DEADFUNK
wow, i produce hardcore, and im against illegal download for music played publicly (not in the dj's bedroom) and i always get shitted-on (defending the bought of mp3's), on this board, nice to see that other people wants to comes here and talk about it. Good to know we're on the same page. Originally Posted By murdock_rock
personally... i think DOA is fuckin' retarded anyway... Much of the drama and sarcasm posted on doa is retarded..I'll agree, but it is a very busy site. At any time, there are hundreds, if not thousands of people browsing the forums. Originally Posted By murdock_rock
but my point being... it's all been said before. Has it been said here though? If it has, it needs to reiterated so that it sinks in. Originally Posted By apr1zm
I understand your point of view but be very careful! the same music you defend against PIRATES is made from samples that haven been paid for (ex: READY OR NOT Dnb remix). So yeah you can go against all the lil dj downloading songs and putting up mixes but it doesnt change the fact that most HHC , DNB song uses(not always) uncleared samples(but a lot)! I know Subtone is 100% original but lets be serious here what about all those WHITE LABEL and ANON remix :))) the scene itself is corrupted from day one! I believe Samples from movies would also fall into copyright infringement. but yeah i wouldnt dare posting a DNB set with a track from a local that i would not have paid for! btw posting a DJ MIX is a showcase of your mixing! not your tracks ! i have a lot of respect for mashup artists like GIRL TALK and i dont think he buys all the songs. I dunno the world is changing i cant wait to see who will survive ! peace Sampling culture is in a completely different ethical ballpark to downloading inferior quality versions of tracks in an effort to promote yourself (as stated earlier it's not promoting/supporting the artist, quite the opposite). These vinyl rips have gone through multiple stages of analog to digital and vice versa conversion and as such, loads of quality has been lost. To me, there is very little creative pursuit in this, as opposed to sampling culture or (even) bootleg remixing. It's also completely different to downloading leaked dubplates (unreleased tracks) which you dont have permission to play. I cant think of any other reason why someone would want to do that other than falsely giving out the impression that they are personally 'down' with the artist. This falls under the banner of delusions of grandeur, a symptom of many psychological disorders. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ApR1zM replied on Sat Jun 27, 2009 @ 6:20pm |
| Coolness: 164745 | yeah i get ya Subtone. Self promotion with other peoples work is stupid ! but the line is fine and its hard to tell the difference sometimes! i dunno to me there to kind of people
people who think music is an artform vs those who think music is a product |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Sat Jun 27, 2009 @ 7:39pm |
 Coolness: 166490 | a vicious circle was created when kids started playing nothing but DLed tunes.. that led to certain Djs, who buy records, getting less bookings, 'cause these kids had all the freshest tracks, so those other DJs who got less bookings, got paid less, and can't afford albums anymore.
next thing y'know, good ppl are playing pirated material just to keep up. i'll play two or three DLed tunes in a set, but those are usually tracks thrown my way by friends who want to hear those sounds at a party.. and i'm also extremely poor and have no credit card (plus i pay hardcore, which is a different beast). i also really think less ppl would play mp3's if DJs got paid more and could afford records. then again, who wants to pay a dj who doesn't even pay for his music? If you see your dj playing nothing but burnt CDs, and they aren't his tunes, cut his salary! give the balance to the old dude who brought records ;) meh busines.. but an artist has to eat too. back to to the top, a vicious circle started, and now it's gonna be hard to get out of it. but, like you mentioned, subtone, the worst part is that the sound quality suffers. i only upload my tracks on this site, at second best quality.. but if someone wanted to play my tracks, they should ask me for the wav! i'll gladly give it to the person, free (until i release an official album :P ) so, this is a major problem in the d'n'b scene? ... perhaps it's just another reason for sticking to vinyl :P /MO Update » Nathan wrote on Sat Jun 27, 2009 @ 7:40pm btw, i buy my music.. i just haven't bought any in a while - which is why i don't play tracks from '08/'09, unless they're mine...
:P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sat Jun 27, 2009 @ 11:29pm |
 Coolness: 685535 | I download all my music.
It's not something I like doing in the sense that I would really love to be able to afford the music that I play out or make mixes with. Problem is I'm fuckin' poor as hell trying to live off ~$570/month, and records cost WAY the fuck too much on that kind of budget, and I'm never going to pay for an MP3. A few things that have come out recently I've wanted to buy (Counterstrike - Insubordination 2, Ewun album) but where the fuck do you get DnB vinyl in Montreal anyways? I got no credit card (and not going to get one again after what happend last time I had one) so I can't order and pay the ridiculous shipping costs that come with ordering records from the UK. So hey, call out all you want, it's not like I'm hiding the fact that most of my mixes are downloaded tunes. All I'm hoping for is that once every couple of months I'll get a gig that actually pays something and not starve the last week of the month. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Subtone replied on Sat Jun 27, 2009 @ 11:48pm |
| Coolness: 34835 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
I download all my music. It's not something I like doing in the sense that I would really love to be able to afford the music that I play out or make mixes with. Problem is I'm fuckin' poor as hell trying to live off ~$570/month, and records cost WAY the fuck too much on that kind of budget, and I'm never going to pay for an MP3. A few things that have come out recently I've wanted to buy (Counterstrike - Insubordination 2, Ewun album) but where the fuck do you get DnB vinyl in Montreal anyways? I got no credit card (and not going to get one again after what happend last time I had one) so I can't order and pay the ridiculous shipping costs that come with ordering records from the UK. So hey, call out all you want, it's not like I'm hiding the fact that most of my mixes are downloaded tunes. All I'm hoping for is that once every couple of months I'll get a gig that actually pays something and not starve the last week of the month. Have you considered employment? If you're too sick to work, and get a medical certificate, your welfare benefits should be minimum 650, depending on how debilitating your medical condition is. If you have a checking account, you can get a paypal account. All major online mp3 vendors accept paypal. An mp3 costs like 2 bucks man, fix up. My major issue is playing leaked dubs. It's just not on. we dont need another mass-mtl-pwnage on our hands. If you download tunes and want to put them in a recorded mix, at the VERY LEAST make sure you check to see if they have been released. Just do a search on juno, chemical records, [ rolldabeats.com ] anything...it's not rocket surgery. By playing leaked unreleased tunes you dont have permission to play, you risk getting blacklisted by the artists themselves once its out in the public domain for everyone to see, or worse. Furthermore, you're basically advertising the availability of these leaked tunes. You really dont need to draw any more negative attention to yourself, Fred. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Jun 28, 2009 @ 12:06am |
| Coolness: 685535 | Originally Posted By SUBTONE
Have you considered employment? If you're too sick to work, and get a medical certificate, your welfare benefits should be minimum 650, depending on how debilitating your medical condition is. If you have a checking account, you can get a paypal account. All major online mp3 vendors accept paypal. An mp3 costs like 2 bucks man, fix up. My major issue is playing leaked dubs. It's just not on. we dont need another mass-mtl-pwnage on our hands. If you download tunes and want to put them in a recorded mix, at the VERY LEAST make sure you check to see if they have been released. Just do a search on juno, chemical records, [ rolldabeats.com ] anything...it's not rocket surgery. By playing leaked unreleased tunes you dont have permission to play, you risk getting blacklisted by the artists themselves once its out in the public domain for everyone to see, or worse. Furthermore, you're basically advertising the availability of these leaked tunes. You really dont need to draw any more negative attention to yourself, Fred. I've tried getting a medical certificate. Despite the doctor saying I wasn't well enough to work, Welfare has their own idea of how debillitating Chrons can be and don't "recognise" it as something all that bad. Granted now I'm doing a lot better with the medication I'm on, but I still get the occasional attack at least a couple of times a month. For MP3s, there's no way I'd ever pay for 'em. I've had too many hard drive problems and faliures to want to put money in something I don't physicaly have a copy of, let alone that even 320s are still very lossy. Sure there's FLAC or WAVE, but again, after having spent almost one year of playing WOW and finally realising how much money I've spent with absolutley nothing to show for it, there's no way I'd pay for something that doesn't get me a physical "original" product. I'd rather spend the occasional $15+ for 2 tunes on a piece of black plastic than $2/tune. I've got a couple of leaked dubs on some mixes for sure, but nothing all that recent that I can think of.. Mostly the stuff I download is from DB9, and they have a specific section for unreleased/dubplates that my ratio is too shit to access, so anything I grab off there is released or in promotion.. There's very few things that I'd play the unreleased version of, but I will make an exception in things that the artist themselves have said are never coming out (Pendulum - Vault VIP for example).. I don't believe in keeping music locked away and hording it as a big secret stash, never to see the light or be heard by the 'punters'. \ |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Subtone replied on Sun Jun 28, 2009 @ 12:10am |
| Coolness: 34835 | I feel sorry for you. If you want to do bigger things in dnb than you're currently doing, your attitude is gonna have to change. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Sun Jun 28, 2009 @ 12:17am |
 Coolness: 282400 | I had to learn the hard way (several times) - buy your music ;) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Jun 28, 2009 @ 12:29am |
| Coolness: 685535 | Originally Posted By SUBTONE
I feel sorry for you. If you want to do bigger things in dnb than you're currently doing, your attitude is gonna have to change. Would I love to do bigger things? Sure, anyone would. But if I don't ever get out of Montreal, whatever.. I'm having fun doing what I do. I didn't start spinning or producing to make money and be a superstar, I did it because I love the music and want more people to hear the music I love, and on the production end I'm doing/trying to do it because I've got something in my head that I want to get out that I think some people might enjoy. I've never been motivated by money, only happieness. If I stay poor for the rest of my life and can't afford shit, as long as I'm happy doing what I do and sticking to my morals and beliefs, then that's all that matters to me. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Subtone replied on Sun Jun 28, 2009 @ 12:41am |
| Coolness: 34835 | Fred, you're basically asking for it. After being called a spastic by the whole of doa, do you think it's unfathomable that someone would research your online habits and find your leaked dubplate mixes on myspace or on here, just to mock you even more? I'm really surprised it hasn't happened yet tbh.
It's one thing to download leaked tunes for your own personal enjoyment, but once it's out in the public domain, expect to get blacklisted, or worse. I've done my best to be diplomatic and give you advice, if you don't want to follow it, that's your choice. Don't say you weren't warned though. All the best. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Jun 28, 2009 @ 1:13am |
| Coolness: 685535 | well I figgure why the hell not, I went and deleted all 5 of the mixes (out of 44 mixes that were up) that had unreleased dubplates in them.
And honestly, I don't really give a fuck what people think or say about me, especially DOA. The whole thing with Noisia was resolved in PMs because, as you pointed out, the screeching chimps would just use anything I say to mock me with. And for being blacklisted, fucking LOL, who's going to blacklist me? I'm totally never going to be playing any Therapy Sessions or getting any gigs overseas or anything like that. What, Ravedave, Fullum or Noah aren't gonna book me for his next party because I played a few ill-gotten dubs? Yeah I'm totally not going to play at the next Twisted Bass party because I've played some unreleased tunes. If you think anyone "blacklisting" me from the DnB scene is really going to affect me, maybe you're the one that needs a reality check. Sure I'd love to be big and famous, hell who wouldn't. But that's not my goal, and I'm not expecting to get known outside of Montreal for anything other than being on the internet. Enjoying my life is so much more important to me than what people think about me, be they local or on the internet. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Choda_Bean replied on Sun Jun 28, 2009 @ 2:08am |
 Coolness: 219915 | i've been writing, then deleting my comments every two seconds...
i'm totally on both sides of the fence here... i play boots that people send me, or post online, but i wont play em if theyre not at least 320kbps... if i do play em, its under the artists permission. what i will never ever do is rip a track from a set, and fit it into one of my sets, altho sumtimes it's tempting, but doesn't usually sound right, or give me enough time to mix into the next tune anyways... as far as buying music, i really DO believe in it, especially from friends and other people you know online... but when the artist sends it to a blog post, or even the blogger posts it up, and the artist doesnt mind since not a lot of poeple frequent the site anyways, yes i will play that version (which in my experience is 99% of the time, the 320 mp3 release version) i cant speak for all genre's either, but if i like a song from an artist i like, yes i'll do my best to pay the 1.49$ - 2.49$, to buy that mp3... but i'm on the verge of bankruptcy, getting kicked out of my apt, and living on the street month to month, and yes i also DO work very hard at my job, but reality sometimes goes further than online music, and local djs.....sooooo, YES, i illegally play tunes as well from time to time... call me out if it makes you feel good about yourself, blacklist me too.... but i work at making tunes every single day, and trade boots to other people like me who makes boots out there, trying to make it... it's a fierce dj war out there in the clubs, if you don't have the right weaponry, how the fuck you gonna stay on top of things??? i gotta head out, but i'll be back to talk about this tomorrow!  |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Subtone replied on Sun Jun 28, 2009 @ 4:51am |
| Coolness: 34835 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
well I figgure why the hell not, I went and deleted all 5 of the mixes (out of 44 mixes that were up) that had unreleased dubplates in them. That's a good start;) Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
And honestly, I don't really give a fuck what people think or say about me, especially DOA. The whole thing with Noisia was resolved in PMs because, as you pointed out, the screeching chimps would just use anything I say to mock me with. Hardly resolved imo. Your emotionally charged cyber outburst made EVERYONE look bad and you candidly continue like nothing ever happened, no public apology from what I remember. Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
And for being blacklisted, fucking LOL, who's going to blacklist me? I'm totally never going to be playing any Therapy Sessions or getting any gigs overseas or anything like that. What, Ravedave, Fullum or Noah aren't gonna book me for his next party because I played a few ill-gotten dubs? Yeah I'm totally not going to play at the next Twisted Bass party because I've played some unreleased tunes. Originally Posted By subtone
If you want to do bigger things in dnb than you're currently doing, your attitude is gonna have to change. Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
If you think anyone "blacklisting" me from the DnB scene is really going to affect me, maybe you're the one that needs a reality check. Sure I'd love to be big and famous, hell who wouldn't. But that's not my goal, and I'm not expecting to get known outside of Montreal for anything other than being on the internet. Your outlook is so unbelievably grim. I'm clearly not the one who needs a reality check. I'm no shrink, but if the medical certificate for crohn's disease doesnt work, I'm sure the provincial government would accept one for clinical depression. Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
Enjoying my life is so much more important to me than what people think about me, be they local or on the internet. Enjoying life should be number one on everyone's list of priorities, but if something you enjoy doing has a direct detrimental effect on others, then you should at least try to find compromises which satisfy the best interests of all parties involved (I've mentioned plenty). |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Jun 28, 2009 @ 5:41am |
| Coolness: 685535 | Originally Posted By SUBTONE
Hardly resolved imo. Your emotionally charged cyber outburst made EVERYONE look bad and you candidly continue like nothing ever happened, no public apology from what I remember. And if I went and publicaly apologised on DOA, what would happen really? 10 more pages of bullshit as everyone is like "HAHA YOU PUSSY MASSIVE SELF-HIN AND NOW YOU'RE BACKPEDALING LOLOLOLOL" Noisia/Martijn and Kevin Gimble all got sent an apology over PM and Noisia answered back that everything is cool and thanks for clearing things up. And anyways, like everyone else was saying: I don't speak for all of Montreal, what's one internet spaz going to do really? No one with half a brain is going to judge all of Montreal based off of my one outburst, especially considering everyone from montreal that was posting was also totally against me. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DainJa replied on Sun Jun 28, 2009 @ 9:35am |
 Coolness: 47195 | Originally Posted By DEADFUNK
wow, i produce hardcore, and im against illegal download for music played publicly (not in the dj's bedroom) and i always get shitted-on (defending the bought of mp3's), on this board, nice to see that other people wants to comes here and talk about it. Same here. I pay for all my music, although, like nearly everyone, I haven't always been that way. Still, in the last 4 years or so I've payed for it all. I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on music and have no regrets. Now, as a hard working producer, I understand why that's so important even more than I ever did. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Jun 28, 2009 @ 11:23am |
| Coolness: 685535 | Originally Posted By DAINJA
Same here. I pay for all my music, although, like nearly everyone, I haven't always been that way. Still, in the last 4 years or so I've payed for it all. I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on music and have no regrets. Now, as a hard working producer, I understand why that's so important even more than I ever did. Of course what Deadfunk fails to mention (that he mentioned that last time the topic came up) is that he didn't buy any of the software or VSTs he produces with, which is the exact same thing as a DJ playing out tunes he hasn't payed for. |
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