An Interesting Take On Vegetarianism.
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bodkin_van_horn a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 11:20am |
 Coolness: 40100 | trying to persuade meateaters the virtues of veganism is like trying to convince altruistic / socialists the virtues of objectivist/capitalism...or teaching Nim Chimpsky the value of Dostoevsky.
Meateaters tend to forget that Vegans and Vegetarians where once meateaters too and have been indoctrinated with the same beliefs as all the rest of the meateaters. They difference between meateaters and vegans/vegetarians is that Vs have done a lot of research and reading on the subject of animal wellfare, factory farming, the environmental consequences of producing meat en masse, animal testing, health consequences of eating a lot of meat and on and on....because they are passionate about the topic. Meateaters, I find, are less interested in the subject and either touch the surface of the matter or completely ignore the facts (to satiate their palate). If you can refute Peter Singer, John Robbins, Ruth Harrison, George Page, Chris Hayhurst or The Buhhda or Ghandi etc etc with solid arguements against veganism / vegetarianism...I would love to hear those arguements. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 11:33am |
 Coolness: 158220 | I like the taste of a large steak with potatoes and a slice of garlic bread.
^^^ My argument. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 11:39am |
 Coolness: 152990 | Originally Posted By BODKIN_VAN_HORN
trying to persuade meateaters the virtues of veganism is like trying to convince altruistic / socialists the virtues of objectivist/capitalism...or teaching Nim Chimpsky the value of Dostoevsky. Meateaters tend to forget that Vegans and Vegetarians where once meateaters too and have been indoctrinated with the same beliefs as all the rest of the meateaters. They difference between meateaters and vegans/vegetarians is that Vs have done a lot of research and reading on the subject of animal wellfare, factory farming, the environmental consequences of producing meat en masse, animal testing, health consequences of eating a lot of meat and on and on....because they are passionate about the topic. Meateaters, I find, are less interested in the subject and either touch the surface of the matter or completely ignore the facts (to satiate their palate). If you can refute Peter Singer, John Robbins, Ruth Harrison, George Page, Chris Hayhurst or The Buhhda or Ghandi etc etc with solid arguements against veganism / vegetarianism...I would love to hear those arguements. exactly the same people who supports "PETA" which is the organism in the u.s. that kills the most animals each year, with ways that are more retarded than any other animal killing buisness. hey, they dont have money to pay for gas that would kill them instantly without pain, so they just slaughter them! worse than concentration camps. humans are onivore, therefore they are MADE to eat meat, if you dont, then fine with you. remember the "cro-magnon" people, they used to eat meat, and they used to KILL the meat they ate, and when they were hunting, the meat would flee and defend himself, making the procedure a lot worse than what it is right now. im againt killing animals for fur, but im for killing them to eat them. anyways, hippie are hypocrites. i dont even know why im explaining all this. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 11:42am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Daf a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 11:47am |
 Coolness: 185340 | y'a des hypocrites partout, de dire que tous les hippies sont hyprocrites ça serais comme dire que tout les dj sont hypocrite, etc
certaine personne suive un mode de vie pour lequel il son vrai et sincère, avant d'accuser quelqu'un d'être hypocrite je crois qu'on doit la connaître j'aime la viande rouge et la salade Mise À Jour » Daf a écrit sur Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 11:53am et juste pour pas qu'Antonin tu penses que je suis toujours contre toi, parce que se genre d'impression est arrivé souvent ici quand je discute de propos contraire avec la même personne à plusieurs reprise, je tient à préciser que je suis pas du côté de personne ou encore moins contre mon ami Antonin.
je suis neutre et de mon opinion neutre je crois que pointé du doight une personne d'être hypocrite sans la connaître est simplement un jugement trop vite |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bodkin_van_horn a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 11:53am |
| Coolness: 40100 | Originally Posted By DEADFUNK
anyways, hippie are hypocrites. i dont even know why im explaining all this. really - you think you explained something here? are joking? "remember the "cro-magnon" people" - ahhh no...I'm not that old. But anyway...when was the last time you acted like a cro-mag (besides the way you think) and hunted for your food and clothing? or do you do just like you are "supposed to" and buy highly marketed / government regulated and subsidized meat and dairy that would never be profitable without our tax money from your local grocery store and never once see and understand the consequences of your actions because if you did you MAY reconsider what you were doing? real natural like the cro-mag. some think we have evolved since cro-magnon man. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:14pm |
| Coolness: 152990 | well im SORRY bodkin_van_horn, but ANY HUMAN is a DIRECT descendant of the cro-magnon man, if you chek the timeline of the "humans" and the timeline of the "earth and living species" we are not in even 1% of it all, so why would the humans change that much while a zillion more species dont, in a so-short time span?
because we didnt, technology evolved, we didnt. if you want to argue about this, do you own researches, go to the university, ask history and biology professors, ask anyone whos a proffesional in this field, thats how it is. cry me a river. Mise À Jour » Deadfunk a écrit sur Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:20pm look, you say : its bad to eat animals
i say : humans are DESIGNED to eat meat. what do you want more? convince me not to eat meat anymore? it wont work. btw, you didnt reply about the peta part, which if a fact, huh? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:57pm |
| Coolness: 158220 | I agree that wearing fur today is totally unnecessary. Except for the few inuits out there whose fur trade is cheaper than synthetic coats. And who need to keep warm :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 1:07pm |
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If vegans where a bit less rigid and dogmatic, they might convince more peoples to join there cause. Not everyone has the time and interest to become a dietitian/naturopath, but unfortunatly, to get a balanced diet as a vegan you have to be just that, or fill up on supliments. An other thing, there is no sure fire diets that will fit everyone. We all have diferent tolerances for different foods we all have different neads. Idealy, humans should find out what food they nead, what is good for THEM, and witch ones are les helpfull and/or detrimental. A winter diet is not the same as a summer diet. If you live in Costa Rica, your body does not have the same needs as someone living in Chicoutimi. Gotta keep that in mind. The vegan raw food diet may just be humans kinds natural food, but humans are also a tropical animal by nature. Last i checked, we live quite far from the equater. Biological meat is realy very good for you, if you dont eat too much of it. And its way better to eat meat than to go on a half assed vegan diet (helthwise), cus that can be downright dangerous. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Sparklz a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 1:17pm |
 Coolness: 113380 | Originally Posted By DRNYARLATHOTEP
I like the taste of a large steak with potatoes and a slice of garlic bread. ^^^ My argument. Don't forget smothered in mushrooms and onions, mmmmmmmmmm :) Delicious |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bodkin_van_horn a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 1:18pm |
| Coolness: 40100 | Originally Posted By DEADFUNK
well im SORRY bodkin_van_horn, but ANY HUMAN is a DIRECT descendant of the cro-magnon man, if you chek the timeline of the "humans" and the timeline of the "earth and living species" we are not in even 1% of it all, so why would the humans change that much while a zillion more species dont, in a so-short time span? I don't get this? When did I say we were not descendants of cro-mags? Seems rant like. Originally Posted By DEADFUNK
because we didnt, technology evolved, we didnt. and how? technology just....evolved? by itself? Culture has evolved, technology and societies have evolved, lots of human achievements have arisen from intellectual evolution, sometimes for the good, sometimes for the bad. Technologies has caused mass death (nukes and war), cultures and societies have been oppressive and brutal....all those things were the results of human causes. Today meat production is heavily reliant on science and technology. If technology has negative consequenses I try NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THEM. I've been a veg for 15+ years...if I was in the woods and starving I would kill the first bambi I could in order to survive. Technology has allowed me to live downtown where I can eat other things and survive just nicely without participating in brutality, economic waste, environmental destruction, etc etc. IF you think the way of the cro-mag is for you...I urge you...leave the city, modern medicine, your car, clothes, and electronic gear...learn to build a shelter, learn to hunt, kill and skin an animal for food and clothing. The tuffest of meateaters that claim "that was how it was done" don't have the bollocks to pull that off. Look, I'm not against meateaters (most of my friends and family are). I just choose a different way based on what I have learned. I really don't need to call people names (like "hypocrite") or get childish and tell people to "cry me a river", because I am secure with my ideas. I was once a meat-eater too...and have a very open mind (that's how I came to be Vegan)...so if you can convince me the virtues of meateating without the pre-school comments...I'll listen. Mise À Jour » bodkin_van_horn a écrit sur Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 1:46pm @ Deadfunk - your Peta commment isn't even worthy of a reply it's so wrong...and you have the resources to check into whether it is "a fact, huh?" yourself. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 2:35pm |
 Coolness: 93480 | Originally Posted By SPARKLZ
Don't forget smothered in mushrooms and onions, mmmmmmmmmm :) Delicious nom nom nom |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bodkin_van_horn a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 3:01pm |
| Coolness: 40100 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
If vegans where a bit less rigid and dogmatic, they might convince more peoples to join there cause. it's not a cause for me it's a choice...I am no more rigid with my choice than you are to live in canada Originally Posted By DATABOY
And its way better to eat meat than to go on a half assed vegan diet (helthwise), cus that can be downright dangerous. absolutely true However I know far more unhealthy meateaters than I know unhealthy vegans. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 3:29pm |
| Coolness: 106100 | For vegans, the health issues usualy start showing up 10, 15 years later. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 3:38pm |
 Coolness: 685575 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
For vegans, the health issues usualy start showing up 10, 15 years later. Being an asshole, unfortunately, starts from day one. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 3:45pm |
| Coolness: 93480 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
Being an asshole, unfortunately, starts from day one. thats gonna cut deep man. Too far? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 3:46pm |
 Coolness: 158720 | it's funny the biggest half of my friends are vegan or vegetarian...
i even already have a bf(!) for few years who is vegetarian.. we even lived together for couples of years.. and i never had any argumentations or fight w/ them about that... majority of these friends couldn't care less what the fuck i'm eating.. they are probably the less annoying peeps i know... i think it's a small minority of people who tried to insist their pov on others.. i'm myself not a big meat eater but grow up in a household where it's alright to eat meat 2-3 times a week.. i don't eat soy as well because of the recent discover on the impact of eating it.. these day majority of my protein intakes are not from meat. i can go few weeks w/out it.. but still if i'm at a great restaurant i will still feast on a fillet mignon... i often make sure when i buy meat or eggs or whatever that it's at least coming from small farm or caged free etc.. because yeah i feel bad to eat something who was alive(animal..).. i doesn't agree w/ the industry choices.. i think it's a very personal question.. i know that eventually i will probably stop eating meat because i feel hypocrite to do so.. i would never take an axe or a gun to go kill an animal myself...nor i will never be able to cut and clean the flesh myself.. it's totally gross me out just to think about it.. but ya once it's in my plate all cooked and pretty i'll eat it... i feel an ethical problem here in my actions.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 4:03pm |
| Coolness: 106100 | By definition, the extremists are fewer than the moderates. Unfortunately they are the ones making all the noise. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 4:09pm |
| Coolness: 158720 | the people i learned new stuff or values or system of belief or whatever are the one who preached by example.. just watching their actions and consequences of it was enough for me to change my behavior or opinion on the matter...
it's like this research coming from the best seller freakonomics that i really enjoyed reading... how a parent could make reading an important component of their children life? in the first groups observed they were parents having a lots of money and having easy access at home to private library/// these parents were the kind to insist on the reading activities... like some parents insist on the violin lesson.. in the second group were the parents coming from all class of society.. they were not having a lots of books at home but the parents were avid readers themselves... reading a little each day as a hobby... which childrens do you think would become the most apt to appreciate reading and doing so later on in their life??? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 4:12pm |
| Coolness: 294960 | Your example tell the answer!
The second group obviously... you cannot force someone or push someone to like something. |
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