An Interesting Take On Vegetarianism.
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:24pm |
 Coolness: 38755 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
Do you do any sort of test? Urine, blood, hair... how do you determine what is good for who? Btw, My naturopath gets a lot vegetarians and vegans with some funky hard to treat conditions. Cutting out all animal protein can be dangerous. My family doctor seems to think I'm in amazing shape, and I've done tests and everything is optimal. I am also an athlete and require a lot of (complete) protein, and I don't eat soy. What do you think is in animal protein that we need that we can't get in vegan protein? I think what happens is that mainstream society refuses to educate people on proper vegan diets, and then people go vegan and don't know what they are doing and get unhealthy. That's not veganism's fault, it's the education system that needs to advance. Most doctors don't even know anything about nutrition!!! I had to tell mine where I got my protein. O.o Originally Posted By DATABOY
For vegans, the health issues usualy start showing up 10, 15 years later. I know a bunch of raw vegans who have been vegan for about 15 years now and they are the healthiest people I know. There is no difference in the lifespan of vegans and omnivores, despite the fact that this is talking about vegans from a time when there was virtually no nutritional information available for them, like we have today. In fact the guy who coined the term "vegan" died a few years ago at like 95 years old. He went vegan alone when he was 14 and had no nutritional info available. Mise À Jour » Vegan a écrit sur Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:26pm I actually had to cut down on my protein because I was getting too much of it :P lol. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Sparklz a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:25pm |
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1. A secret underground society that takes pleasure in torturing fruits and vegetables. They also are trying to monopolize the bottled water market. "The vegetarian continued peeling the banana, despite it's blood-curdling screams of pain and horror". 2.One cool mother fucker "Watching animals being slaughtered while working in an abattoir, I decide (sic) not to make anyone else suffer. You meat eaters wil get spongy brains, you dickheads." 3.Someone who does not eat meat. Period. They are not wimps for not wanting to, they are not better then the general public that enjoys some 'fast food'. 4. One who lives in the land of Vegetaria. Often confused as the definition of a person who doesn't eat meat, but that's only because most Vegetarians don't eat meat, either. 5.i. A fabulous excuse one comes up with so that one does not have to undergo the act of consuming unpleasant meats. i. "Uncle Bill: Hello there, young lass! Would you care to sample some of my quality, month old haggis?" Omnivore: "Oh! Er -- no thanks." Uncle Bill: "But why, Lass?" Omnivore: "That would be because... er... I am a vegetarian!" Thank-you Urban dictionary for clearing up all the confusion :D *waits for the inevitable shit storm to come her way* |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Psyborg a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:25pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:28pm |
 Coolness: 106100 | Life is not fair, nature is not fair and i cant help but to think that humans are doing what comes naturally to them. Like lions and bears.
What can I say, I wish animals where treated with more dignity and respect but for now, we live in a world where productivity is more important. So Yes, I accept there fate, and I eat their eat meat. And i have been healthy all my life. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:28pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» system_glitch a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:30pm |
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1. Someone who slaughters and kills fruits, and vegetables. "The poor carrot had no chance." 2. People who refrain from eating any animal products (or anything derived from animal products) or using animal products such as leather, silk, or wool. It is a more strict form of vegetarianism. People who are vegan are often passionate about their veganism. "The American Dietetic Association continues to assert that a vegan diet is a healthy diet." 3. 1: someone who abstains not only from eating meat, but also milk, eggs, and anything else derived from animals. Note: Not to be confused with a Nazivegan, who follows a vegan diet but flaunts one's veganhood over everyone else as if it is somehow morally superior. Kinda like saying that a gazelle is morally superior to a lion because the lion is a carnivore, you know? They're not better than each other; just different. "I made sure I had veggie patties and vegetable shishkabobs on hand at my barbecue because some of the people I invited are vegans." |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:32pm |
| Coolness: 38755 | Please fully answer what I asked, databoy. I thought those were very fair questions.
What we are doing to animals now is not "natural" and it's nowhere within the realms of natural suffering. It's something else altogether. Please answer the things I asked. --- Strangedalia: I'd like you to take a look at a factory farm (concentration camp) and tell me, who are the nazis. Mise À Jour » Vegan a écrit sur Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:36pm and natural doesn't = right, anyways. I think we have evolved to know better than that by now, to be able to distinguish between the two. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» system_glitch a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:33pm |
| Coolness: 162485 | 1. a vegan who makes others feel inferior and horrible, simply because they arent vegan.
"NaziVegans need to learn to leave me the fuck alone." 2. A sometimes militant type of vegan who isn't content to merely live with a vegan lifestyle and feels a moral compulsion to enforce his/her own ideals on other people. Problems arise because the vegan lifestyle is arbitrarily determined by a personal choice balancing prevention of harm to animals and convenience, and any attempts to force other people to conform results in absurd amounts of hypocrisy. (Animals are harmed in far more ways than just being used as food, and anyone who abstains from a diet involving meat products still necessarily causes harm to animals in some way, unless they are completely self-sufficient and don't use electricity or gasoline which both cause pollution when produced, grow their own food so animals aren't killed by combine harvesters, don't live in a house which uses matarials gained from deforestation, etc.) A nazivegan claims it's okay to hurt animals only as much as he or she does. "That nazivegan was enraged that I ordered a turkey sandwich, yet he eats commercially-grown plants which result in the death of field animals during harvest. Who is he to draw the line for not only himself, but me?" |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:35pm |
| Coolness: 106100 | Evolution is part of nature. Modern methods of food productions are a product of human evolution. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Teblchple7 a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:36pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:36pm |
| Coolness: 38755 | I added an update to the post above:
and natural doesn't = right, anyways. I think we have evolved to know better than that by now, to be able to distinguish between the two. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:39pm |
| Coolness: 106100 | Right and wrong... here we go again. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:41pm |
| Coolness: 38755 | Strangedalia, there is no point talking to you because you ignore every bit of reason that I've gone over. I've explained my feelings very fairly and yo just ignore it and post a bunch of unreasonable stuff anyways. For the very last time, from me to you, I do not try to guilt people, I am not imposing myself on others, that is what *you* are doing and if you feel guilt from it, fine. You are just realizing the blame for yourself then. You made the association on your very own between the things you do to animals, and guilt.
databoy - I find it very weird that someone can claim to love animals and then defend the system they're tortured in. I asked to please answer my question so I can have a better perspective on it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:46pm |
 Coolness: 75655 | y'know what I find strange... a bunch of people who have made up their minds about what they want to eat, getting preachy and bitchy about the fact that other people have decided to eat differently than they have.
being vegetarian is a personal choice... it doesn't make you better than anyone else, and it doesn't make you an asshole... it just makes you a vegetarian. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Psyborg a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:49pm |
| Coolness: 105665 | Originally Posted By VEGANNIBAL
I added an update to the post above: and natural doesn't = right, anyways. I think we have evolved to know better than that by now, to be able to distinguish between the two. True. We are not animals driven by their instincts (well, sometimes we are... that's another debate though), so we can choose consciously to eat something or not. But, once again, that's a CHOICE. I'm all about free will. I never forced someone to taste my vegetarian meals, but it happened often when I cook at home and a friend shows up, he/she goes like "wow, that smells good, may I taste it?" And guess what? They opened their minds, some of them even cook vegetarian meals now, because they realized it can be tasty, healthy and fulfilling. Humans are pleasure-seeking beings, they're interested by nothing but their own selves. So, instead of talking about animal rights and morals, we should show the good side of a non-meaty diet. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Termina a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:53pm |
 Coolness: 86075 | Originally Posted By FISHEAD
y'know what I find strange... a bunch of people who have made up their minds about what they want to eat, getting preachy and bitchy about the fact that other people have decided to eat differently than they have. being vegetarian is a personal choice... it doesn't make you better than anyone else, and it doesn't make you an asshole... it just makes you a vegetarian. Thank you. Now, can this thread please die already? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:54pm |
| Coolness: 106100 | I dont anthropomorphise animals a whole lot, and I love animals for different reasons than say, my girlfriend. One of the things i love about a chicken is their taste. I love fish, i find them beautifully and delicious. What can i say the food aspect adds to the appreciation of certain animals.
The system they're tortured in? I had a 2 of my uncles that had farms and they didnt "torture" their animals. You cant always take the worst case and generalize it on to the whole world. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:54pm |
 Coolness: 158720 | Originally Posted By FISHEAD
y'know what I find strange... a bunch of people who have made up their minds about what they want to eat, getting preachy and bitchy about the fact that other people have decided to eat differently than they have. being vegetarian is a personal choice... it doesn't make you better than anyone else, and it doesn't make you an asshole... it just makes you a vegetarian. yeah that's what i meant by chill. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:55pm |
| Coolness: 38755 | Originally Posted By FISHEAD
y'know what I find strange... a bunch of people who have made up their minds about what they want to eat, getting preachy and bitchy about the fact that other people have decided to eat differently than they have. It's not about a personal dietary choice. It's about actions that affect others. I don't think it's OK to stand by and not do or say anything while needless mass genocide and torture in nazi-type camps is happening. If I only gave a shit about myself and nobody else, I wouldn't say anything at all. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» the_big_jo a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:56pm |
 Coolness: 56570 | No, but posting long-winded diatribes about how "meat is murder" does. The converse is also true.
Vegannibal, I know what you're going to say, and before you do, let me just say this. I am an asshole, I am the first to admit it. Ask any of my friends. I <3 steak, especially when it cries. Mise À Jour » the_big_jo a écrit sur Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:57pm (This is in response to fishhead's post) just saw the new ones. |
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