An Interesting Take On Vegetarianism.
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 2:55am |
 Coolness: 93480 | Originally Posted By VEGANNIBAL
It's not about religion... it's about if my partner holds certain values that are very important to me that I share with my partner. I can't argue with that. Everyone has values/ethics/lifestyle choices that they need in a bf/gf and aren't willing to compromise on. Id argue that you might as well be open to everything until it gets serious enough, and then cross the bridges as you get to them. Sometimes the things that we thought were core to us, just aren't that important when you're with the right person...you find a way to make it work, and you compromise. But I suppose veganism might be one of those bridges you cross pretty early on, so fair enough. I remember when I tried going out with this vegan girl... She was really chill about it, and wasn't imposing on me, but it just doesn't work. Eating out was a problem. Her chilling at my hosue was a problem. Vegan food isnt my thing. And secretly it bugged me to eat meat around her. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» system_glitch a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 2:58am |
 Coolness: 162485 | You know there's something wrong when you can take 2 full paragraphs, replace Vegan by Satanist or Space Monster, and it still makes complete sense. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 3:07am |
| Coolness: 93480 | perhaps we should lay off the new rave-waver for a bit. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» system_glitch a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 3:15am |
| Coolness: 162485 | Gamos - there's never been an issue for me regarding being a new ravewaver or not.
I'm all against Bliss and other self-righteous trolls when I see em, and got knows they've been around here for forever. Actually no, I kinda just ignore them nowadays, but when I see someone new around here that's heading for trouble, I call a spade a spade and let them know outright their attitudes won't take them anywhere around here. I myself will be switching back to raw food when I'm back in Canada, and have already contacted vegannibal about it as I'm sure she can show me around quite a good number of awesome places to shop and all. But note I said I'm switching to raw food - not vegan raw. Vegans irk me for exactly that behavior that she's been displaying here, and the reasons I have myself stated above. Can we still be PLUR ? ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 3:32am |
 Coolness: 38755 | Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
Actually it has everything to do. Belief system. Adherance to a movement. Finding completion in finding "common values" in others. For fuck sakes you could say that about so many things. What is a value you must share with your romantic partners? Maybe they're not allowed to murder and torture other human beings? For me, it's that they think that torturing and exploiting ALL animals (not just humans) is wrong and that they won't do it!! I will not live in the same place with someone who is doing it, I will not live around that stuff in my fridge!! Like you probably wouldn't date someone who wears human skin and has human skin lampshades, I wouldn't date someone who wears the skin of ANY animal, not just humans. If someone is not compassionate enough to think causing unnecessary harm to animals is wrong, they are not compassionate enough to be my partner! I will date people who believe in religion when I do not, but if someone from any certain religion does not want to date outside of their religion, I'm not going to mock them and tell them that it's silly! If it's important to them to share that with their partner, they are entitled to that. When I get involved in human rights issues (which I do), nobody accuses me of being in a religion. Why? Animal rights (which includes human rights) is just so much more taboo right now than human rights on its own, spurred on by our scared government and the scared industries that sit behind the mask that is our "government". Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
And ...... a pissy sense of self-righteousness. How many times do I have to say that I don't think I'm anywhere close to perfect. I'm not, however, going to stop standing up for innocent tortured animals just because people think I'm somehow self-righteous for it. In fact, it's the people who harm those animals who are the self-righteous ones that they think they have any right to do those horrible things. IMO you have to be prettty stuck up to think that torturing and killing another creature is OK, when you know that you don't need to. Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
No offense meant, but you're not going to make any friends here, or anywhere else for the matter, with that kind of attitude. And no, it's not about being rejected by others. It's about ostracizing yourself. I'm not trying to make friends. Please tell it to someone who actually knows what peer pressure feels like. I didn't ostracize myself, I learned one day that the doctrines I was taught were false and decided to stop contributing (as much as possible) to the horrors. Now all I want is to heal some of this this crazy mess and I don't give a flying fuck if I am popular or not for it. Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
You believe that as Humans we shouldn't try to tamper with other species lives. Let other people live as they wish. Practice what you preach. I do practice what I preach... now it's your turn... When you say "let other people live as they wish" I say "let ALL the animals live as they wish, not only humans" and I assure you, that does not include confining them to tiny cages, skinning them alive, etc. Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
I thought Vegans stood against "specyism" Speciesism. Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
....... We do not have to eat meat! Damn right .... we are given free will. And that's what it's all about, in the end. Your (and my) freedom should end where another's begins (another animal who does not have it in their interest to be confined to a cage and subjected to your violence!!!). Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
Guess that's what sets me apart from religious freaks and vegan extremists. What's extreme are the gross injustices that are done for NO GOOD REASON to the other animals! Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
What I hate is people trying to force themselves and their beliefs upon others. Then stop forcing mass violence upon other animals!! Hypocrisy!! The only thing I try to get other people to do is to STOP FORCING THEMSELVES ON OTHERS. Other creatures. Why must people insist on forcing a sick twisted prison system on them. Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
Remember, your opinion counts for nothing - you'll always think you're right. Obviously people always think their opinions are right, that's what an opinion IS. And opinions do count, since they determine the decisions we make. _______________________ Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
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Stop giving a damn about it and take your beliefs out of the equation. I will never stop caring about the victims of this shameful torture camp system. ______________ Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
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Kill your ego to become untouchable. You're the one who needs to lose your ego, thinking you are so much greater than every other species on Earth, that you feel you have license to persecute them all, in the most vile of ways. _____________________________ Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 3:41am |
 Coolness: 92250 | The article is basically a senseless rant which ignores values it also argues with.
He's suggests that if you value one life so much as to change your diet, you should also kill yourself by not eating at all.. it just doesn't make sense with the way anyone would be thinking. You can resolve to kill as little as possible without being willing to kill yourself, I see nothing wrong with that. You can resolve to try and be more like something without being obsessive compulsive about it. You can strive to be something within reason, without being extremist. The people who criticize others for being a certain way without going to unreasonable lengths to be as much that way as possible.. also encourage people to go to unreasonable lengths to be as much that way as possible. Some of you bring it to recycling, in this case he's actually gone as far as death. I understand he was angry and trying to tell vegans who feel they're better that they are not better BUT the way to do that is certainly not by arguing your dietary habits and that's why this article only has rant value. Personally I didn't see anything wrong with Veganible's posts as she was also just responding her opinion to the article. She made long posts about her beliefs, true, but she didn't single anyone out as a murdered and she didn't start a thread called "Everyone turn vegan or i'll hate you", she only expressed her side of the story and some people seem to have felt that she was imposing. It IS a thread about veganism/vegetarianism values so is anyone who disagrees with the article(that vegan values are hypocritical), a preacher? That's what the article is about, stay in the context people. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» system_glitch a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 4:06am |
| Coolness: 162485 | I rest my case.
Out of everything I said, all you did in reply was go on about ranting and repeating the very same dogma all over again. You against the whole world. Putting everyone in the same basket - that's the way to a more "humane" society, innit? By the way - forget what you've been indoctrined to think and say by your vegan society, go back, read this thread, and quote me on saying I am "so much greater than every other species on Earth, that you feel you have license to persecute them all, in the most vile of ways". Meanwhile, maybe you should start caring about what other people think. Ya know, having friends, seeing different point of views, sharing, bonding ... couldn't hurt ya. Dahia - Zen like a Monk on Morphine. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 4:13am |
| Coolness: 38755 | Originally Posted By MOONDANCER
Personally I didn't see anything wrong with Veganible's posts as she was also just responding her opinion to the article. She made long posts about her beliefs, true, but she didn't single anyone out as a murdered and she didn't start a thread called "Everyone turn vegan or i'll hate you", she only expressed her side of the story and some people seem to have felt that she was imposing. It IS a thread about veganism/vegetarianism values so is anyone who disagrees with the article(that vegan values are hypocritical), a preacher? That's what the article is about, stay in the context people. meep. :S thank you :/ I saw the one side, which is lacking so much fact and propagated so often, and felt that it was an appropriate time to respond with the rest of the story. Originally Posted By strangedahlia
But note I said I'm switching to raw food - not vegan raw. I actually had thought, at the time that I wrote back, that you meant raw vegan because they are the only type of raw foodist that I have known until now. Originally Posted By strangedahlia
Vegans irk me for exactly that behavior that she's been displaying here, and the reasons I have myself stated above. I'm sure that to me, this behavior you're speaking of, is spewing out truth that nobody wants to hear, and to you it's "self-righteousness". Originally Posted By strangedahlia
Can we still be PLUR ? ;) I'm not sure torturing and killing others works with PLUR does it? This convo has gotten me thinking a bit more than I wanted to tonight. Originally Posted By the_big_jo
What exactly does "guiltless grill" imply? So I'm supposed to feel guilty now if I eat meat? Screw you. In retrospect, maybe what they should have instead for the title of the menu would be something more accurate: "exploitation-free grill" or "cruelty-free grill". Maybe those words make what we do to the animals sound harsh because it *is* harsh. But it's not untrue. They are exploited, and in very cruel ways. Maybe the owners of the restaurant felt that the truth words were too harsh, so they softened it up a bit and put "guiltless" instead in hopes that it wouldn't offend people. I guess they should have just put "non-animal-and-non-animal-byproduct grill". Hey, that's catchy! ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 4:14am |
| Coolness: 92250 | Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
Out of everything I said, all you did in reply was go on about ranting and repeating the very same dogma all over again. What did you say? He said nothingness. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» system_glitch a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 4:17am |
| Coolness: 162485 | moondancer, my reply was for Vegan.
Now if you'll excuse me - I'll go back to talking to the wall. At least I don't have to deal with his ego-farts. He doesn't talk or bark much, but he knows how to listen. Dahlia - Out. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 4:18am |
| Coolness: 92250 | I KNOW you were talking to Vegannabal.. but you weren't really saying anything. Not anything with argument value.
I could be wrong, I don't read you guys's messages religously but if so, I apologise and feel free to make a point about something. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 4:50am |
| Coolness: 38755 | Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
Out of everything I said, all you did in reply was go on about ranting and repeating the very same dogma all over again. ..in response to you not getting it and saying the same inaccurate accusations over and over again. You're right, I shouldn't humor you like that. ...n what did I say that was a dogma? Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
You against the whole world. Putting everyone in the same basket - that's the way to a more "humane" society, innit? Putting words in my mouth again. Never did I put everyone into the same basket. What do you mean when you say "humane"? What e.x.a.c.t.l.y does the word define for you? Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
By the way - forget what you've been indoctrined to think and say by your vegan society, go back, read this thread, and quote me on saying I am "so much greater than every other species on Earth, that you feel you have license to persecute them all, in the most vile of ways". Indoctrined by who? I have done my own research, come to my own conclusions based on nutritional fact and reason, nobody came to me and told me to be vegan... but I wish they had years ago though! If someone else had been more outspoken about it (like this) earlier in my life, I would have come to this understanding much sooner. What are you trying to say about your persecution of other animals (keeping them enslaved, inflicting pain and death)?.. You do those things, why do you have an issue with the statement? You should be perfectly fine with it, since you believe these things are perfectly fine to do... or else why would you do them? I stated the fact in response to your accusing me of "forcing myself on others". I can't bear the idea of forcing myself on others any more, that's the reason I went vegan. It's an integral part of the philosophy. "...to exclude — as far as is possible and practical — all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals..." ...animals, which includes other humans! Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
Meanwhile, maybe you should start caring about what other people think. Ya know, having friends, seeing different point of views, sharing, bonding ... couldn't hurt ya. I do and have done that. If I didn't ever care what other people thought I would not talk to them at all or have any friends. In certain situations though, I feel that it's good to let go of caring for the idiocy of others and not let it get to you. That's what I meant about not giving a flying fuck what they think. You continuously make false accusations, based on your own misconceptions. You've absorbed enough brainwash against veganism that you think we all have some sort of weird motive to "control others". Dammit, NO, we only wish that you would STOP controlling others! Oh I remember now in what context I said "I don't give a flying fuck.." that was when you were criticizing the legitimacy of me having common values factor into who I date. 0.o --------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By moondancer
You can resolve to try and be more like something without being obsessive compulsive about it. You can strive to be something within reason, without being extremist. Exactly. And contrary to popular misconception, there is nothing outside of reason or extremist about veganism. It can be perfectly healthy and fit into a happy, full life. There is nothing extreme about choosing to live with a big importance on the value of compassion and respect for all other life, enough respect that you wouldn't cause harm to another animal if you could help it. There is nothing extreme about putting my compost into a compost bin instead of tying it up into plastic bags to put in a landfill. There is nothing extreme about using shampoo that wasn't pointlessly tortured on animals, and there is also nothing wrong with encouraging others to do the same!! There is nothing extreme about wanting people to stop pointlessly hurting other animals. Am I trying to "force" a compassionate lifestyle on others? LOL! What a ridiculous thing to criticize. I used to get the same criticism in Jr High school when I tried to get people to stop being mean to the Gay kids. IMAGINE THAT, I WAS THE ONLY ONE STANDING UP FOR THE GAY KIDS. If only I had that ability to convince people to stop causing needless harm and suffering. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 8:10am |
 Coolness: 158220 | Originally Posted By VEGANNIBAL
Unfortunately for you, your choice *is* narrowed. Since I went vegan, my diet actually expanded bigtime. I eat things now that I never even knew existed before. I discover new awesome dishes all the time. I'm totally addicted to food, love love love it. I'm a total foodie. The best things I've ever eaten were vegan, a whole world of food I never knew about before. It's a big misconception of the omnivore world that we eat *less* diversely than you. If anything, it's the other way around. I was there less than a year and a half ago. I didn't have any clue what vegans ate, but thought I did. What a strange misconception. You seem to imply that as an omnivore, I'm unaware and prohibited from eating vegan meals. That's not only false, it's ridiculous. The reason that I don't stock up on nut/wheat meat and flax seed oil and other things like it is simply a matter of choice. I don't like it as much as eating a burger. It doesn't mean that I wouldn't eat anything vegan, if offered. As I stated before, I love food. All food. Some I love more than others, is all. On animal cruelty, I'm with you. If there was a precise way for me to know which animals were force-fed, mutilated and so on, for my meal, I'd choose the ones would were brought up in the old ways. For this reason, when I can, I like to shop for my food at Marché Jean-Talon and other places like it. There, local farmers sell their wares and they usually lack the means to have automated slaughterhouses and other cruel machines/ways. They also pride themselves on usually having the most humane ways of dealing with their livestock. Now, it's not exactly what you want but it's a right step. The world will not go vegan in one day. Now, as far as the freedom of animals, I'm afraid of the day where all animals would be liberated. We'd have to subject them to the same laws and rights as humans and it would mean fuck-all to animals who don't understand the idea. Having, say, a bear get in my living room and endangering my family, I would have to call the cops and get them to arrest him on charges of "breaking and entering". If the scared bear attacked my family, I'd have to do nothing, lest I be charged with manslaughter (well, animal slaughter). It's a scary notion. I don't see how total animal liberation would work. Sad that it's PETA's goal. PETA Scares me more than any extremists I know. :) The fact that they're blatant hypocrites does not help. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 9:23am |
 Coolness: 221750 | I agree with Thierry, as you shouldn't push your view's on others.. its great that some people eat meat and that others dont'.. it's what keeps our world balanced out and thank's to both we don't have a surpluss of animals running around in traffic !!! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Count_Bandit a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 10:42am |
 Coolness: 49145 | WHAT IS THE F**** PROBLEM WITH YOU PEOPLE?
1/3 of the world population, thats about 2 or 3 billion (2 000 000 000 or 3 000 000 000) that are starving right now. They eat things that you would have thrown away because its shit and you are arguing that ome food or some diet are better that other?? Let me remid you of how , human beings struggled to climb the food chain to the top. Let me remind you of those times when there was only dried meat to eat and we died at 30 years old (its still like this in many country) fuck that! you should be happy to have such an easy life . We are the noble of the world. I think that peoples who follow a diet only because they believe in some new age shit and promote some higher value out of this are just picky douchebags with no comon sense at all . Lets just be happy together and keep it like this.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 10:45am |
 Coolness: 152990 | hahaa is this serious, is there really an hippie girl trying to make us all feel bad?
meat FTW |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kishmay_Pinas a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 10:55am |
 Coolness: 103240 | Vegan gal, you keep goin on about animal rights, yet I seem to recall in the thread about Armani's cat you mentioned you were gonna turn the cat into a vegan.
I am not to sure I've ever heard of cats out foraging for twigs and roots an berries in the wild. They are carnivores, not hemp seed eating, judgementalists How is you imposing your belief system on a poor defenseless kitty cat fair to that animal, and not abusing its rights to being what it is. ( I would have responded to this in the proper thread, however Armani decided to ban me fromposting fir pointing out that Thierry would cook and eat her cat) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Shindy a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 11:06am |
 Coolness: 171825 | Originally Posted By DEADFUNK
hahaa is this serious, is there really an hippie girl trying to make us all feel bad? meat FTW Like Clown said, you are not better because you are a Vegan, or worst cause you eat meat. It's a personal choice that doesn't concern anyone but you. And I don't really see how imposing veganism is different from trying to impose a religion on people. I don't think we should feel bad at all... She has her opinion, I have mine, which is : BACON AND STEAK TASTE AWESOME ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Count_Bandit a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 11:06am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 11:06am |
 Coolness: 685575 | Originally Posted By SHINDY
BACON AND STEAK TASTE AWESOME ;) QFT |
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