An Interesting Take On Vegetarianism.
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» diss0nance a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:12am |
 Coolness: 48490 | exactly... eggs and cheese are "bad" too. glad that's obvious to you too.
I would bring bacon and sausages so it was totally obvious to everyone what was in it... me and the dogs would enjoy them. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:24am |
 Coolness: 38755 | Originally Posted By THE_BIG_JO
Then I apologize for assuming incorrectly. But I still stand by the fact that vegetarianism/veganism is a form of hypocrisy. No matter which way you string it, there is still harm being done to animal/plant life whenever you go into any form of commercial production. (Your tofu container isn't made from 100% recycled plastic, is it?" Please fully read my posts above, I'm sorry they are so long. In them, I explained the point of veganism and its definition, which should eliminate your view of it being hypocrisy. As I stated up there, I do not eat soy products (tofu). Also, I do realize that other things harm the environment and therefore human and non-human animals, so over the past year my lifestyle has included these new practical things: I buy as much as I can in bulk so that I don't have any plastic wrappers/waste etc to throw away. When I do, it goes to recycling. I throw very little of anything away. I now have biodegradable compost bags in the freezer that I send to be composted of course... my toilet paper is both 100% recycled and biodegradable (and costs the same amount as normal TP), I use wash cloths instead of paper towel etc, all of my household cleaning products, toiletries, cosmetics, etc are NOT tested on animals, biodegradable, come in glass or recycled/recyclable plastic, I consume as little of it as possible, I even reuse the plastic bags that you put produce in to weigh it..over and over and over and over. Even the bag that I buy my bulk hemp-plus granola (so good) in, I use it over and over (buying it in bulk like that also saves tons on price and eliminates all packaging). I sew my own clothing, I repair all my old clothing and shoes, yes I care about humans too... (humans are living and feeling too), let's see, what else... I generally just try to cause as little negative impact as possible. The food I buy is almost always local. I try to eat things that consume less resources to grow (like hemp seeds for example) for the amount of nutrition/calories they provide. I filter my own water instead of buying bottled water. I take my courier bag or backpack to the grocery whenever I buy food. I use plastic bags I find on the ground outside as garbage bags at home. I bike all year round and take the metro with my bike. I make my own jewelry. I make my own poi etc, don't get anything shipped to me unless it's absolutely necessary. I put "pas des circulaires/no flyers" on my mailbox. I do my banking online, I do not get my telus/internet bills in the mail. I am not anywhere close to perfect but I do my best. I learn more every day and adapt to it when I do. It's all easy and second nature now. Originally Posted By Nemorave
The hell are you talking about not easy socialy???? Being gay is not easy socially... being vegan doesn't make a shitload of people marginalise you. WTF!!! It does make it more difficult socially in many cases. Most vegans experience feelings of societal alienation. We are sometimes disowned by our families for it like gay people are, people make fun of us all the time, try to slip us non-vegan food, tell us they will eat more bacon-wrapped sausages just to make up for the animals that we are not consuming... ... ....... ....... ... . We try to make light of it though, there's this awesome threat on one vegan forum I'm on to bring some cheer. It's about "Top stupid things that omnivores say to get us upset" or something. It's hilarious, because the same things are said OVER AND OVER and over. The same jokes, the same shit. Everyone thinks they are being soooo funny and they think we haven't heard it all before. There is so much crap you could not imagine. Think of it as going to school as a raver in an anti-raver high school. Mise À Jour » Vegan a écrit sur Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:33am Oh!! Hey :) :) :) If you want to see an example of some raver recycling, see the pics of me spinning blue glow poi at Soma... you will notice they are water bottles...
Oh yeah and I dig through the trash after parties to separate the recycling from the garbage. In the future I'm just going to make some separate "recycling" lids for half of the trash cans. The lids will somehow be recycled themselves. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PonChalice a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:28am |
 Coolness: 76240 | ive always wondered what would happen if all livestock was set free? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:30am |
| Coolness: 38755 | Originally Posted By PONCHALICE
ive always wondered what would happen if all livestock was set free? That would not happen, it would be a gradual change. We would simply stop continuously breeding them as the demand decreases. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Psyborg a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:31am |
 Coolness: 105665 | Originally Posted By N.A
he would be right...if he only ate meat. Since he probably doesn't, he also contributes to the problems caused by growing wheat and soy (which is now in a lot of foods) and other grains and or vegetables/fruits. I don't like the idea of someone trying to free himself of guilt (that he admits he shouldn't feel) by making everyone else feel bad...kinda hypocritical. I was SO about to say the same. Vegetarians are not the only people to eat wheat and soy, come on! I'm vegetarian, mostly because I'm disgusted by meat. Plain and simple. I don't see what's pleasant about eating it, but hey if you guys like it, that's up to you. Someone's daily diet is a personal choice, and nobody should be criticized for it, vegan or not. Pis Hugo: t'as AUCUNE idée combien de monde te marginalisent quand tu leur dis que tu es végétarien. Pour certains ça passe comme dans du beurre, alors que d'autres te regardent comme si t'étais un alien. En plus de toujours te faire achaler pour manger de la viande, devoir te justifier sans cesse, ya même du monde qui vont essayer de t'en faire manger à ton insu ou plus ou moins de force (ça m'est arrivé plusieurs fois). C'est crissement lame. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nemorave a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:35am |
 Coolness: 89020 | Originally Posted By ARMANI
Pis Hugo: t'as AUCUNE idée combien de monde te marginalisent quand tu leur dis que tu es végétarien. Pour certains ça passe comme dans du beurre, alors que d'autres te regardent comme si t'étais un alien. En plus de toujours te faire achaler pour manger de la viande, devoir te justifier sans cesse, ya même du monde qui vont essayer de t'en faire manger à ton insu ou plus ou moins de force (ça m'est arrivé plusieurs fois). C'est crissement lame. Au pire t'es pas née comme ça.... c un choix personnel faque si j'suis capable d'assumer ce que je suis de naissance t surement capable d'assumer tes choix sans t'en plaindre par la suite. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PonChalice a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:36am |
| Coolness: 76240 | Originally Posted By VEGANNIBAL
it would be a gradual change. its like smoking, gradually cutting down never works... you have to do it "cold turkey" |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nemorave a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:36am |
| Coolness: 89020 | Originally Posted By PONCHALICE
its like smoking, gradually cutting down never works... you have to do it "cold turkey" lol |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Psyborg a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:38am |
| Coolness: 105665 | Originally Posted By NEMORAVE
Au pire t'es pas née comme ça.... c un choix personnel faque si j'suis capable d'assumer ce que je suis de naissance t surement capable d'assumer tes choix sans t'en plaindre par la suite. Mon point est surtout que, contrairement à ce que tu peux croire, yen a de la marginalisation envers les végétariens. C'est comme quelqu'un avec des tattoos partout, des piercings plein la face pis tout le kit: il est pas né comme ça, c'est son choix, il peut l'assumer et vivre bien comme ça mais il va être marginalisé quand même. Parce qu'il est hors-normes. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:39am |
 Coolness: 158220 | I'm glad there was some animal testing done. It's how insulin was made, for one thing. It's how my grandmother lived another decade.
I like meat. I like food. I would never be able to narrow my choice to one type. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nemorave a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:40am |
| Coolness: 89020 | j'vois juste pas comment quelqu'un serait assez con pour marginaliser des gens pour etre végétarien. Mise À Jour » Nemorave a écrit sur Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:42am j'peux comprendre etre trop curieux mais faut pas confondre curiosité et marginalisation |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» the_big_jo a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:42am |
 Coolness: 56570 | Originally Posted By ARMANI
Mon point est surtout que, contrairement à ce que tu peux croire, yen a de la marginalisation envers les végétariens. C'est comme quelqu'un avec des tattoos partout, des piercings plein la face pis tout le kit: il est pas né comme ça, c'est son choix, il peut l'assumer et vivre bien comme ça mais il va être marginalisé quand même. Parce qu'il est hors-normes. But that person has to take this marginalization into account when he puts all that shrapnel in his face. By doing so, he is CHOOSING to be marginalized. And therefore, must be OK with it, if being ostracised was really such a big deal, then he wouldn't have done it in the first place. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Psyborg a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:43am |
| Coolness: 105665 | Toi t'es peut-être pas comme ça, mais yen a une méchante gang à le faire! La plupart des gens sont des suiveux, ils font ce que tout le monde font, et dès que quelqu'un sort de la norme un peu ils se foutent de sa gueule. Tu dois le savoir ça non? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» diss0nance a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:43am |
| Coolness: 48490 | congratulations, you are a responsible citizen of the world! really a role model for all of us.. and it is the way of the future. we could all do with a little less harm. but I still like bacon. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Psyborg a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:45am |
| Coolness: 105665 | Dissonance WTF man, read my first post in this thread. I'm vegetarian because I don't like meat. You can compare that to someone who doesn't eat brocoli because they don't like it. Eat what you please, but let me eat what I please! And show some respect. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:47am |
 Coolness: 166530 | i chose my diet to piss everyone off. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:47am |
| Coolness: 38755 | Originally Posted By ARMANI
I'm vegetarian, mostly because I'm disgusted by meat. Plain and simple. I don't see what's pleasant about eating it, but hey if you guys like it, that's up to you. Someone's daily diet is a personal choice, and nobody should be criticized for it, vegan or not. As you can see in the definition of veganism, it's not just a dietary thing: *** [T]he word "veganism" denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude — as far as is possible and practical — all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.[1] (Donald Watson) *** I keep seeing this whole "I choose to be compassionate... but if someone else chooses not to, that's fine by me!" Well then why are you choosing compassion then? Why would it be okay for other people to cause excess harm to animals, but not for you? If you went vegan/vegetarian out of ethics/compassion, then IMO is *is* hypocritical to say that you accept the choice of others to cause excess harm to animals, since they do not need to for survival. How I see it: I'm not going to give birth, but maybe one day I might adopt a kid. I am going to be nice to that kid, I would never confine the kid to a cage, force-feed it with tubes, castrate it without painkillers, give it tons of drugs/hormones/antibiotics, sensory deprive it, cut off its lips with hot metal, burn marks into its face, conduct crude experiments on it, put screws in its head, (all of this without any painkillers), force it to give birth repeatedly then kill the infants, then drink it's maternity milk, etc etc ETC ETC. I'M not going to do all those things, because I think those things are wrong to do to another. Well... there are other people that will adopt kids too.... what if its *their* "lifestyle" to do all of those things to the kids they adopt? What if those things are legal, and a regular part of human culture? Do I say "well I don't do those things, but if somene ELSE wants to do them, IT'S THEIR OWN CHOICE AND NOBODY SHOULD BE CRITICIZED FOR IT, WHETHER THEY DO THOSE THINGS OR NOT" ????? NO!!!!!!! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nemorave a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:48am |
| Coolness: 89020 | Originally Posted By ARMANI
Toi t'es peut-être pas comme ça, mais yen a une méchante gang à le faire! La plupart des gens sont des suiveux, ils font ce que tout le monde font, et dès que quelqu'un sort de la norme un peu ils se foutent de sa gueule. Tu dois le savoir ça non? Je le sais parfaitement bien sauf que dans mon cas ca existe pratiquement plus considérent le fait que j'assume et je suis fier de ce que je suis comme personne. C pas juste les gens autour de toi qui doivent t'accepter, t'as aussi ton bout de chemin a faire pour te faire accepter. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Psyborg a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:49am |
| Coolness: 105665 | Et moi de même. Avec le temps on apprend à s'entourer de monde qui nous respecte comme on est. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:52am |
| Coolness: 166530 | Originally Posted By NEMORAVE
j'vois juste pas comment quelqu'un serait assez con pour marginaliser des gens pour etre végétarien. i thought that "marginaliser des gens pour etre végétarien" was the point of this thread :P |
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