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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Wed Apr 13, 2011 @ 5:58pm
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Originally Posted By STRIK_IX

Every major party has candidates in this province, I don't see how they would completely disregard Québec's interests should they be elected.

Seriously, for a province dying for recognition and separatism, why do we constantly jam our foot in the door in debates and ask "but what about Quebec's needs" as if we were some form of alien lifeform that's different from everyone else.

Different from whom exactly ?

I mean we buy and power our cars from the same place with the same gas, our homes with the same electricity, pay the same taxes ( well, more actually ), eat from the same McDonalds, shop at the same Zellers, Price Costcos, Wal-Marts, suffer from the same recessions and deficit, the same housing crisis, same overpopulated hospitals, lack of family doctors, education funding cuts, homeless and unemployment ratio than everybody else in the country. Aside from the language, what makes us so damn different than, say, Ontarians that we needs special treatment over everybody else ?

If we are to disassociate with the rest of the country, why do we need it to recognize our "needs" then ? Shouldn't we just give them the finger and walk out or just do like everyone else and get with the same federal program.

I love Quebec as much as the next guy but I'm tired of all the reiteration of specific Quebec-based treatment and requirements. I have a distinct feeling that it makes us look like Canada's mentally challenged brother that will cry, yell and throw utensils everywhere at the dinner table because our soup is too hot or we don't like onions and whatnot while the rest of the brothers just stare at each other silently in disbelief, shrugging and wondering "what's the big deal ?"
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Wed Apr 13, 2011 @ 6:27pm
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Its all about decentralizing powers and tax dollars from the federal to the provincial level.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Wed Apr 13, 2011 @ 6:41pm
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Originally Posted By DATABOY

Well the last referendum pulled in 49.42% of the vote in favor of Quebec becoming a country.
[ en.wikipedia.org ]


ya. so close! but I guess I was asking what people on this board think right now. opinions can shift over 15 years, and a lot of people who vote now were too young to vote then.

so if they had gotten, say, 51%, in favour of separating, what would have happened next? it just splits off right away?

pardon my ignorance, I've always been woefully uneducated on politics in Canada and Quebec and I want to learn.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Wed Apr 13, 2011 @ 6:44pm
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Originally Posted By RECOIL

I'm really curious to ask.. how many people here want Quebec to separate?


I'll vote yes but I won't demonstrate for that unless the same BS happen again where external influences get involved in an internal affair.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Wed Apr 13, 2011 @ 7:02pm
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Originally Posted By RAWALI

maybe more people would go ahead and vote for npd or green party if it wasnt for the bloc... and maybe we would have a higher number of seats with left winged butts in em that care for a bit more than getting one province out of a country...


Maybe if the younger peoples got out to vote, the Npd or the Green Partie would have more seats than the bloc.
Besides, Gilles Duceppe is about as "to the left" as they come.
[ en.wikipedia.org ]
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Wed Apr 13, 2011 @ 7:40pm
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I wonder if this thread is about bashing the bloc or promoting whatever party you prefer, if it's the former then I wonder why you think the conservatives are assholes...
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Wed Apr 13, 2011 @ 8:12pm
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Originally Posted By RECOIL

so if they had gotten, say, 51%, in favour of separating, what would have happened next? it just splits off right away?


In English, the question on the ballot asked:

"Do you agree that Québec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Québec and of the agreement signed on June 12,
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Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Thu Apr 14, 2011 @ 1:30am
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Originally Posted By DYNV

I wonder why you think the conservatives are assholes...

[ www.shitharperdid.ca ]
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Thu Apr 14, 2011 @ 3:53am
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I hate this thread. Almost made me feel like I was writing term papers or something. And I almost did. Hah.

Originally Posted By RECOIL

ya. so close! but I guess I was asking what people on this board think right now. opinions can shift over 15 years, and a lot of people who vote now were too young to vote then.

so if they had gotten, say, 51%, in favour of separating, what would have happened next? it just splits off right away?

pardon my ignorance, I've always been woefully uneducated on politics in Canada and Quebec and I want to learn.


Well the amount of literature on the subject is astounding, but I'm nowhere near as elaborate as you. I promise we can touch on the subject next time we're in the same town, how's that?

Now.. Can't we all agree on the fact that (big assumption here) no one here's gonna vote for the tories? That we're all pretty distant from right-wing ideologies?

.. Yeah, that's a HUGE assumption

In the end, it's all a matter of electing someone you feel will represent your interests the best. For some, it's still the BQ. For others, it's the Conservatives.

Newsflash. You'll most definitely be disappointed to some extent anyway. Get used to it, and welcome to politics.
Update » Masa wrote on Thu Apr 14, 2011 @ 4:02am
P.S. Is it just me or does that Gilles Duceppe wiki seem a bit off?
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Thu Apr 14, 2011 @ 9:01am
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i wish the torries had someone like ron paul
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Thu Apr 14, 2011 @ 2:25pm
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Did you mean

Originally Posted By BASDINI

i wish the torries had someone like Rupaul


?
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX replied on Thu Apr 14, 2011 @ 4:22pm
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Pretty sure he meant Ron Paul:

[ en.wikipedia.org ]

I know wiki isn't exactly 100% accurate, but it's the best bio I could find quickly.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Thu Apr 14, 2011 @ 6:45pm
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Pat, you might want to have your sarcasm detector checked. LOL.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX replied on Fri Apr 15, 2011 @ 10:47am
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Good, you actually scared me there for a moment :S
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Fri Apr 15, 2011 @ 11:16am
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Fri Apr 15, 2011 @ 11:44am
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ehh... C'est quoi cet article? de quel vote on parle?
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Fri Apr 15, 2011 @ 11:52am
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Vote par anticipation.

appeleé maintenant vote spécial.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Fri Apr 15, 2011 @ 12:06pm
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ah, merci
Update » databoy wrote on Fri Apr 15, 2011 @ 3:41pm
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey replied on Fri Apr 15, 2011 @ 4:59pm
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Originally Posted By STRIK_IX

Pretty sure he meant Ron Paul:

[ en.wikipedia.org ]

I know wiki isn't exactly 100% accurate, but it's the best bio I could find quickly.


Ron Paul = Jacksonian (classic Jeffersonian), Isolatist, Tea Party, Populism, Nationalism

To put it simply Jacksonian is an American political, a cultural force where the average "Joe" don't trust the truths or facts from experts or establishments. They trust their common sense more so than research or facts because of their distrust of so called "elites". They believe they can make good decisions about morals , sciences, religious, and politics. Reasoning from common sense but common sense isn't infallible...That's why topic such as Climate change have a hard time reaching out to Americans.

Or even more simple. I DON'T TRUST YOU CAUSE YOU ARE SMARTER THAN ME AND THE FACTS GOES AGAINST HOW I FEEL INSIDE.

If we have a Canadian version of Ron Paul, he would pull Canada out of NATO, U.N., peacekeeping and who knows how many other international trade and diplomatic agreements Canada has. To be an advocate of isolatism in a world of globalization and global supply chain is like burying you head in the sand and hope for the best.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Fri Apr 15, 2011 @ 5:26pm
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"Stephen Harper doesn't know the difference between people from India and First Nations people."
[ www.ctv.ca ]
*facepalm
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