So What Is This William Place Afterall?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Eve-Hill replied on Sun Mar 9, 2008 @ 11:13pm |
 Coolness: 71735 | If the rooms were like way bigger then it would be okey, but this just seems like house/loft parties from my point of view. Thats fine if it is what it is. Also letting people know what is actualy going on with project plur would be a good idea. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Sun Mar 9, 2008 @ 11:16pm |
 Coolness: 2603960 | I don't see why people are complaining? For over 15 years people have considered some events at 1619 raves and have considered them loft parties... There are 2 huge rooms (much bigger) then the ones we were in in that building and there have been many raves in those two rooms. There were many parties 5-6 years ago which were in that building in the smaller lofts and we always considered them raves. No one complained this isn't a rave it's a loft party... I don't know why people would think this anymore... I will post some pictures of some parties held in that building... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Wizdumb replied on Sun Mar 9, 2008 @ 11:21pm |
 Coolness: 122285 | there used to be all kinds of loft parties on william back in the day...
there in fact used to be multi-loft parties over there where you could go from loft to loft and each was a different "room" those were fun but ya, raves are not loft parties it's the same thing as all parties were on jean talon like what a year ago??? Update » Wizdumb wrote on Sun Mar 9, 2008 @ 11:24pm by jean talon, i mean fractal btw
anyway, big deal over nothing as long as it's good times who cares? Update » Wizdumb wrote on Sun Mar 9, 2008 @ 11:25pm ps 1619 william should be synonymous with loft parties
or maybe i'm too old |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Sun Mar 9, 2008 @ 11:26pm |
 Coolness: 150435 | Originally Posted By LONE_STAR
As of now, I'm changing all the events held at cyberloft and 1619 William street to "other" on the calendar. Don't be gay, man. Read what Noah said. Sometimes it can be seen as a loft party, and sometimes it can be seen as a rave. In my opinion... I look at all these events as just, well, parties. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Sun Mar 9, 2008 @ 11:28pm |
| Coolness: 2603960 | X-ploit:
EVENT: [ www.rave.ca ] would be a loft party in 1619 (but we always called them raves)... PHOTOS: [ www.rave.ca ] Oracle: EVENT: [ www.rave.ca ] would be a rave party in 1619 complex PHOTOS: [ www.rave.ca ] Hard as Fuck: The Gates of Hell EVENT: [ www.rave.ca ] PHOTOS: [ www.rave.ca ] There are lots more but no photos unfortunately for those events which were actually done in random lofts in that building... Kracked Knuckles Crew did stuff there often as well as many other people. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Wizdumb replied on Sun Mar 9, 2008 @ 11:28pm |
| Coolness: 122285 | rave = elite > party = degeneration? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Eve-Hill replied on Sun Mar 9, 2008 @ 11:28pm |
| Coolness: 71735 | Originally Posted By NUCLEAR
I don't see why people are complaining? For over 15 years people have considered some events at 1619 raves and have considered them loft parties... There are 2 huge rooms (much bigger) then the ones we were in in that building and there have been many raves in those two rooms. There w isn't a rave it's a loft party... I don't know why people would think this anymore... I will post some pictures of some partieere many parties 5-6 years ago which were in that building in the smaller lofts and we always considered them raves. No one complained thiss held in that building... I think its completely different if people are using tiny rooms or bigger lofts, it totaly changes the party. I would have had a diff opinion on the whole thing if they used the 2 huge rooms. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Mar 9, 2008 @ 11:29pm |
 Coolness: 685565 | Xploit was such an amazing party. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Sun Mar 9, 2008 @ 11:30pm |
| Coolness: 150435 | Electronic High II: [ www.rave.ca ] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Wizdumb replied on Sun Mar 9, 2008 @ 11:32pm |
| Coolness: 122285 | ya! miller's party was awesome! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Sun Mar 9, 2008 @ 11:34pm |
| Coolness: 150435 | You were there? Man, I remember that party. Miller drove me and some friends home and on the way he tried to run someone over. Good times. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Wizdumb replied on Sun Mar 9, 2008 @ 11:37pm |
| Coolness: 122285 | hehehe lol, ya i was there, but not for the attempted vehicular homicide
good times indeed |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Sun Mar 9, 2008 @ 11:37pm |
 Coolness: 91365 | Originally Posted By NUCLEAR
It was pumped too loud? The whole mezanine was shaking! You could hear what a sound system sounds before it dies! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Sun Mar 9, 2008 @ 11:50pm |
| Coolness: 2603960 | My old neighbour has pictures of "Adidas" sponsored Oldschool Parties in the William lofts. They used to do break dancing and lyrical stuff. They considered those parties raves, just like they did the parties which were in an airport hangars, old shopping malls, libraries, flea markets, the metropolis, etc. This goes back to 1988 or before. Update » Nuclear wrote on Sun Mar 9, 2008 @ 11:59pm The term "rave" has no particular meaning but is believed to have been coined in Britain, playing on the idea that the partygoers were "raving lunatics."
[ media.hyperreal.org ] Update » Nuclear wrote on Mon Mar 10, 2008 @ 12:00am That quote was from The Gazette page A1, probably 1993... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PoiSoNeD_CaNdY replied on Mon Mar 10, 2008 @ 12:25am |
 Coolness: 91665 | Of course the term "rave" is inherently ambiguous, but I think we can all agree that a basic requirement of any party that calls itself a rave is a dance floor. If there aint room to dance, it aint a rave. As Noah pointed out, there are larger lofts downstairs that could well be used to throw propah raves in, but #203 aint one of em. Don't get me wrong, I love that loft and its a great place to chill, and I have no problem paying a small cover to help cover their rent/DJ's/equipment. However, if I didn't know anything about the event aside from what was posted on this site, and I bought a ticket expecting a full on rave, then I might just be slightly disappointed. I'm sure Project PLUR was a great event, I couldn't make it there for personal reasons, but it might be a good idea for promoters to make it clear what kind of party they are throwing. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Lone_Star replied on Mon Mar 10, 2008 @ 12:31am |
 Coolness: 153030 | Originally Posted By MICODON'T BE GAY, MAN. READ WHAT NOAH SAID. SOMETIMES IT CAN BE SEEN AS A LOFT PARTY, AND SOMETIMES IT CAN BE SEEN AS A RAVE. IN MY OPINION... I LOOK AT ALL THESE EVENTS AS JUST, WELL, PARTIES.
Right! I do that all the time too... but ask yourself why you call raves "parties". What's wrong with calling things as they are? I sometimes find myself saying that I went to an all night party on a weekend in an move to prevent any prejudice that people (albeit ignorant people) might have about me for going to these types of events. But why? We all know that this prejudgment is generated by the media and all... but does it really help when you have what appears to be sketchy drug dens popping outta everywhere? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the events that were held in the larger rooms weren't raves. Hell, I've had the time of my life in one of the parties you mentioned Noah. But from what I saw last friday, we were not talking about the larger rooms. This was a little bigger than an apartement. Which brings me to ask: doesn't it bother anybody here that these smaller rooms are conceived as living quarters but are rather used to rob people from their hard earned money by hosting "raves" there? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Mon Mar 10, 2008 @ 12:32am |
| Coolness: 2603960 | Imagine a '60s hippie love-in with computers instead of sex
Byline: NICK AUF DER MAUR Credit: FREELANCE Column: THE PAGE TWO COLUMN 05/05/93 Montreal Gazette (GAZ) Edition: FINAL Section: NEWS Page: A2 Category: COLUMN (Copyright The Gazette) Imagine a '60s hippie love-in with computers instead of sex --- The video on Pulse shows hundreds of kids running away from the police. Then it pans over to a kid down on the ground, apparently hurt. Then a cop in riot gear hits him with his long club, then kicks him. The cop walks away, comes back and hits him with the club once again. That was the denouement of the big "rave" party at the Palais de Commerce (the old Show Mart) on Berri St. opposite the bus terminus late Saturday, early Sunday. Earlier that evening, I had met my daughter, Melissa, now a 21- year-old university student, and she had told me about "rave" parties, a European, particularly British, phenomenon I had read references to in the past couple of years. "Raves" are basically big alcohol-free parties, usually held in a big warehouse with "techno" music and assorted high-tech gadgetry, weird lights and so on. A major component of these parties is drugs, usually hallucinogens, particularly Ecstasy, a designer drug that produces an effect along the lines of LSD. Another major feature of "raves" is that they are held in out-of- the-way places, such as an abandoned warehouse in an industrial zone or a big barn outside a city. In England, the location is usually kept secret till the last minute. Often participants are taken to the rave in shuttle buses with blackened windows so the kids don't know where they are going. This apparently is a part of the mystique. Melissa told me of the one that was going to happen at the Palais that night. Intrigued, I asked her to tell me about it. During the winter, a friend had invited her to go to Metropolis to see a performance of a group called Orb, which makes the techno computer music used at "raves." Its repetitive computer sound is very pumpy with frequent beats. My daughter finds it very annoying and refused to go. Her friend told her she should be more open- minded: "This is going to be the next big thing. Something new, for and by this generation, not all that past stuff like rock." Not her cup of tea, so she didn't go. But a few weeks later, Melissa found herself at "one of those sleazy rock parties, with everybody getting drunk" in Old Montreal. Somebody mentioned there was a small "underground rave" party going on in a nearby loft. She drifted over out of curiosity. "It was very straight, quite a contrast to the rock party," she told me. "A young crowd dressed in outrageous bright colors, primary colors, bright reds, yellows. Lots of them carried props, like toys and rubber ducks. They chewed gum and handed out lollipops and candies." They drank "smart" drinks, a popular fad. "Smart" drinks are basically health drinks, laced with yeast, proteins and big doses of vitamins, particularly B, which are supposed to provide energy to dance to the techno beat. She sort of enjoyed it. A flier she found announced Montreal's first major "solstice rave party" for March 27, location to be obtained by contacting the rave hotline 24 hours before the event. Major means up to several thousand ravers. It was organized by a group called DNA, composed of 19- and 20- year-olds, techno DJs and such. It was held at the old Museum of Contemporary Art building next door to Habitat 67 at Cite du Havre. It was scheduled from 11 p.m. to 7 a.m., with shuttle-bus service provided from downtown. Admission: $15. About 2,000, maybe more, showed up, including busloads from Toronto, Ottawa, New York and elsewhere. "Young people everywhere are looking for a good rave," my daughter explained. However, there were only three doormen. Three police officers who happened by insisted the crowd form orderly lines before anyone was allowed entrance. This took an hour and a half to accomplish. The former museum, with its many rooms, long corridors and skylights, was conducive to a "rave" and the atmosphere was terrific, my daughter said. Different rooms had different high-tech features, slide shows, TV video walls and various kinds of techno music. There was body- painting, "smart" drinks, juices, lots of merchandising of colorful rave apparel, crazily colored big tuques, silly hats, baggy pants, etc. There was a booth that had electronic goggles, which produced a hypnotic strobe-light effect. The people at the booth advised people on the drug Ecstasy not to try them. Melissa reports the crowd was well behaved, "almost childlike, just happy to be happy together. There was no drinking, no fighting, no aggression, none of the negative things you often see at concerts" where drug consumption is also heavy. She reports most of the people appeared to be students, between 18 and 24. Some were younger, but fewer were older. She said that despite her distaste for the form of music, she liked the exceptionally friendly atmosphere. She said that the experience made her want to go to another one and "make a survey, find out why people went to those things, what the culture is about, or at least what they think it's about." She had the impression a lot of it had to do with "this young generation having their own discovery, something brand new and not derivative of baby-boomers. Their own thing." I told her it sounded a lot like "hippie love-ins from the '60s, without the sex but with high-tech substitutes like designer drugs and computer-era gadgets and music." She allowed I might be right. She went to the rave last weekend and reported the atmosphere fairly different, if only because of the central location (a big mistake, she thought), a huge crowd of first-time ravers and disorganization at the entrance again, caused by the time-consuming frisking of everybody coming in. (For bottles? For weapons?) She estimates a large majority of people were on drugs, much of it acquired along with tickets at "before" parties. The drugs are expensive, at $35 to $50 a hit. Some people smoked pot because it's cheaper and simpler. But drugs appear needed "for the total effect." However, the crowd was again well behaved. If, as the police report, three girls removed their tops while dancing - well, "that's how they do body-painting." The police made a show of force after she had been there less than an hour. At first, the presence inside of riot cops was greeted good-naturedly, but she couldn't tell from where she was in the back what provoked a panic that led to kids' pouring out on to the streets, with the police chasing them. Some friends of hers were clubbed, she learned the next day. Fliers have appeared in the city advertising a major, three-day outdoor rave in Vermont in a few weeks, $99 for bus and lodgings. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MAtRiCks replied on Mon Mar 10, 2008 @ 9:14am |
 Coolness: 79430 | Hard As Fuck: The Gates Of Hell n'était pas sur Williams à ma connaissance. l'adresse correspond pas non plus: 377 Richmond |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Mon Mar 10, 2008 @ 9:55am |
 Coolness: 299300 | c le meme building, différente entrée. Rave wars était la aussi |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MAtRiCks replied on Mon Mar 10, 2008 @ 11:21am |
| Coolness: 79430 | okok
En tout cas, à Rave Wars on avait pas l'impression d'entrer par effraction dans un bloc appartement :P |
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