I'm just as disappointed as you are... 6 submissions from 5 artists ain't bad though.

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Valentine's Day 80's Sitcom Jungle Remixes

Because your girlfriend and/or boyfriend wanted the sitcoms of the eighties remixed into old-school drum & bass, really this is what they wanted, be mine.

Six tunes, 14.6 minutes, ZIP file, mashed-up, in alphabetical order:
Alf, Automan, Growing Pains, Midnight Caller, Night Court, Three's Company.

Download:
[ www.trotch.com ]

:wub:

Seriously though, when all evidence point to the contrary, make jokes and don't change!

Right?

Also, more horse porn.

My two dads.

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[ www.faiththedog.net ]

I'm a fan.

Also, a bigger fan of "stay the course."

Also, I love horses.

Tenacious D cups

TO THE X I'M CRUCIFIED.

A FIRESTORM TO PURIFY

Food distribution in contemporary society is fucked up.

The meat eater from 10000 years ago didn't eat three hams a day while sitting in front of the computer.

They ran around, hunting, and were lucky to get more than one serving a week.

Since people kept, you know, dying of hunger and maulings all the time. Agricultural society was born. Some even say that beer is the driving force of agricultural society. People organized themselves to grow hops, and figured out ways to produce large amounts of it. In Japan it was rice. Conveniently, also used to make most of their traditional alcohols. But I digress.

Most people didn't eat meat that much up until like 50 years ago. Sure, the occasional celebration, or whatever, but it's not in our instinct.

A true carnivorous species has an instinct to kill. When it sees a chipmunk, it doesn't think cute, it thinks it's prey.

Humans don't have that. What we *do* have is a survival mechanism, so if we're starving and on the verge of dying, we'll resort to cannibalism for all we care, but when things are fine, people will eat raw apples, probably not raw cow.

Furthermore, most wouldn't have the stomach to slaughter anything, but everyone has no problem picking berries.

Then there's the whole problem of where do we put millions upon millions of cows? One answer, in the 90s, was the Brazilian rain forests. Cut those down and make grazing land.

Think about it. If a million people in this city are eating a million chickens a day, you think mononcle gilberts's family farm is handling this? No, it's some sort of fucked up monster capitalism. Not only do we have a million chickens shitting and pissing into our water systems, we feed them grain and corn that also takes up space and human resources to grow.

The whole system is fucked. One was to say "fuck you" back is veganism.

Sure, it's flawed. But so are crusty punks, democracy, and your mom's love for someone else's dad. It's a valid choice to make in the face of all the facts.

Good times.

I'm an omnivore, but I see the point. Just because you don't like the attitude of person telling you something, it doesn't make it invalid.

[ www.thechinastudy.com ]

Well, to me, underground has very little to do with the style of music, more how you experience it. And the whole war thing means that undeground is done in a way that isn't 'official' because, well, it's not possible without getting arrested or whatever.

At the Bell Center? Or in some squat/warehouse where police raid you at 2AM in the morning because it's too 'disorderly'.

Underground attracts a certain group of dedicated people, who end up producing a similar sound, and have the same passions. So, I'm with Luke Peril to say that 'underground exists' and the only way to really know it is to be a part of it. It's not in a glamour magazine until it's far too late.

I'm sure there are many people who do undeground on this forum. Yourself included. But that's their activities. Not really a record collection.

The concept of underground implies some from of self-governing resistance movement; it comes from war and liberation movements. Either that, or it means the London metro system?

In any case, music makes a very late and generally weak grab at the term "underground." The historical context of music and underground had to do with distribution networks and preformance spaces.

Punk music with it's counter-culture values. Rave music with it's loud bass. The 60's with a strong anti-war bias.

The concept of underground implies a group of people who are into what their doing, a second group of people with more power who aren't, and a third larger group of general indifference who go with the flow.

Aesthetic discussion is the icing, everyone seems to be ignoring the cake?

Renoise 2.0 Launched:
[ www.renoise.com ]

Download:
[ www.renoise.com ]

The unofficial Renoise podcast for those who could care less, but want some free MP3 mix sets:
[ www.remixta.net ]

Good times.

Anyone know where I can get a drug that delivers the above? Tailor made perhaps? I tried K once and didn't feel any dihera or dry mouth, so I was a bit dissapointed.

Either: [ www.vegguide.org ]
Or: [ www.veganworldorder.com ]

Same list.

Wagon Christ and Aphex Twin makes an appearance in the middle of the mix? Crazy.

Dude, track listing is sick. Nice one. Downloading, thanks!

Downloading, thanks!

Congratulations. Nice tune.

[ www.db-audioware.com ]

Don't forget, it's 50 Euros!

Impulse Tracker, Fast Tracker, Scream Tracker... Those were all shareware. Not open source. Just like Renoise.

50 Euro is much cheaper than Logic Studio at 500 US dollars. People who registered in 2001 still get updates. That's 8 years of free upgrades. If you don't want to pay, use the free demo.

Renoise adds XRNS to the mix, which is an open format. All previous formats were NOT open. They were closed binary formats that people reverse engineered.

If you pay, you pay for the product as is, not some mythical future product.

Finally, Renoise isn't the only choice. If you don't like it, support another project.

If another project dies, that's life. I don't use my Commodore PET, Vic 20, C64, or Amiga anymore. I don't use Beta or VHS tapes anymore. Do I care? No.

So yes, I see what you mean, but i am not outraged.

Most users don't care about a perfect XM import. Those that do, don't use Renoise.

In the converse, why doesn't Skale Tracker add support for the XRNS format? Why doesn't Milky Tracker add support for the XRNS format? Why doesn't Logic Studio add support for the XRNS format? Why doesn't Cubase add support for the XRNS format?

Anyway, this is my last post in this thread as you keep coming back with some last word every time. Renoise is cool, I use it. A lot of others use it. People are making new music with it all the time. It's only getting better. People not stuck in the past should check it out.

[ www.renoise.com ]

Well, no. That's not true at all. Stallman preaches the GPL. There's the whole BSD side of open source too. The same BSD that built Microsoft's TCP protocols and OS X.

BSD and GPL are not compatible with each other, at all. (You can't put GPL code in a BSD project, it's illegal)

There is no doubt that Stallman is a great person, and that the GPL is a great contribution to the evolution of computers. But not everything is GPL.

Anyway, relax dude. Not trying to start a flame war here. Use Renoise or don't.

I use it. I'm a fan. And this thread is to announce it.

Richard Stallman codes... :)

You are entitled to your opinion.

Mine is 'technology evolves, people pay rent with money until further notice, people do stuff because they want to, not because other people want them to'

Open source means code it yourself. If you really need this then you should try coding it.

That's one way of looking at it.

The other way of looking at it is that it's a minumum of 80 hours of work at a freelance salary of $50 an hour for a total of $4000. It's also a tool that Suva (a linux programmer by trade) will not use himself because no one really cares about XM import, so why waste 80 hours of his life?

I mean you have a job, right? Is your salary zero dollars?

But yeah, if you want to write the tool for free, please go ahead! Save us from corruption. :)

If you want to play your old tunes ( .s3m .it .fst .ft2 etc...) try milky tracker:

[ www.milkytracker.net ]

If you want to make new music, use Renoise :)

[ www.renoise.com ]

Well, this sounds good to me. I only use Renoise these days but it's smart to keep your options open.




There's no preview on this message board. I deleted that part of my post because I was still editing. It was a joke. I don't have any pirated music stuff on my computer myself these days. But it was more a comment about people who use Cubase or Logic or Fruity Loops or a shitload of VST plug-ins and don't pay. Just because you aren't paying doesn't mean that it's free. I feel 50€ is fair and since the XNRS (i.e. human readable XML) format is Open Source this means that if anything goes wrong people can write their own tracker using that format if need be.




There are more tools here: [ www.renoise.com ]

If you are a developer there are discussion here: [ www.renoise.com ]

Because the Renoise XRNS format is open source, people do cool stuff with it. C#, ActionScript, Ruby, Python, C, PHP. Whatever language you want. One of those cool things could be an IT importer. Maybe you could write it?

Good times!

Skale isn't actively being developed anymore.

Renoise imports XM and MIDI.

Renoise's XRNS is an XML based format, anyone could write their own converter quite trivially. No one has stepped up though, probably because it's not worth the time (or they like to post in forums instead of code). In my opinion it's a few days away from 2009, time to move on, time to make new tracks, not import old ones. Check out [ xrns-php.sourceforge.net ] for an example of people writing scripts to work with Renoise.

But yeah, nothing wrong with choice. If you like Skale instead of Renoise then more power to you.

My opinion is that Renoise is the best, the free demo does everything you need, and 50€ is one night of drinking. It's worth it just to show some props to the developers who keep churning it out while other projects continue to die.

Good times.

Linux: [ en.wikipedia.org ]

Renoise 2.0 - Release Candidate 2 - has been released.

Whats new in RC2 compared to RC1:

* a new DemoSong from BeatSlaughter & Tenda .
* cleaned up the installer / folders for Linux builds
* Minor tweaks and bugfixes

This is the last version before Renoise 2.0 goes gold.

Download:
[ www.renoise.com ]

Announcement:
[ www.renoise.com ]

What's new overall:
[ www.renoise.com ]

Porn, Christmas, Breakcore compilation. How could I say no to the worst concept ever? MP3 files inside the ZIP.

[ codeitude.com ]

PS: Don't let my reverse psychology fool you, in BW parlance "worst concept ever" is an endorsement for the 13 artists inside the ZIP.

Cheers.

A Dutch documentary with the aforementioned coming straight out of 1996, interviews in english.

Squarepusher: [ www.youtube.com ]
Photek: [ www.youtube.com ]
Source Direct: [ www.youtube.com ]

Some thoughts:

* If you look for a 2006 BBC interview of Squarepusher you'll see he has aged terribly. Me too, Dad Chartrand, me too.

* Source direct come off a bit chav IMHO, mixing on earphones and going deaf in the process. What the fuck are they thinking? But damn, legends and only 20 years old. Respect!

* The video is from 1996 and is, thus, more than a decade old. It's the difference between the 60s and 70s, the 70s and 80s, the 80s and 90s, etc. If you rewind on Photek he stills calls it "jungle" when talking about his beats and showing off his atari (Which I think is awesome.)

* Sick cars that Photek and Source Direct are driving at the start of their part which has to do with it being 1996 and them getting a good chunk of label money i.e. it's 1996 and they are three of a dozen people making their style music in an era before rampant MP3 distribution, where Black Market Records was king, and mix tapes cost money.

* The interviewer asks Photek "Do you meet people when you leave London?" and he pretty much answers with "No, why would I? Everyone making the music lives around here." which showcases the strong regional influence of the sound. This same kind of influence kick-started the Dubstep scene.

* As a Canadian living near Toronto (at the time), first I heard of Photek was probably in 1997. A few months later, I remember listening to some local radio, some UK guys came over and they were confused as to why we were a few years behind? Music wasn't instant back then. It had to be moved, physically. That added value to the tunes. That added value to the experience. Now it's all throw-away rampant downloading? (Notable exception: the .MOD scene)

Anyway, just some things I needed to share. Could be worthless. Great videos though.

Downloaded, thanks!

1997 called, they want their clichés back. Including this phrase about 1997 calling.

All the OS X users I know are programers and fans of Unix.

Speculation much?

Until someone gets a verbose read of the log files, blaming the fonts is equal or less to than downloading a trojan and thinking it's porn and giving it your root password to install a "special viewer" because you weren't wearing any pants at the time (i.e. "firefox started crashing a lot") or a corrupt hard drive with some bad sectors that needs to be zero written, or dozens of other reasons that may or may not be font related.

CLICK HERE: [ support.apple.com ]

* Put the install DVD in the drive
* Turn on the computer, keep your hand on the C key. This will boot from the CD
* When you get to the Welcome screen, look in the upper menu bar for Utilities -> Disk Utilities
* Run Disk Repair
* Reboot normally

If that doesn't work.

CLICK HERE: [ support.apple.com ]

* Start the computer and keep your fingers on Command-V. This will boot in Verbose mode
* What does the computer say?

Ya, I guess as 7 minutes tunes I would get very bored.

Thank goodness for mixsets and DJs! :)

Downloaded!

A lot of funny samples that take away the focus, but it's evidently intentional. It's distracting because it makes me chuckle at the mix in a pavlovian kind of way. So now when i'm wasted i'll be thinking of Ginger Kids when these get dropped in the future? Haha. Once it gets going, it gets going though.

People hate on this stuff but at face value, as "3 chords and the truth" punk meets a computer, without all the technical pot smoking neurofunk overwrought mumbo jumbo, the tunes are good tunes.

Just like 'My Sharona' or 'Taking care of Business' are as much a tune as Steely Dan's 'Do It Again', no matter how cheap the former are compared to the latter.