Paying The Dj
| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 6:01am |
 Coolness: 129830 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED
If you agree on terms with a promoter, and he doesn't honor those terms, he's not going to last in the scene. It's all good to work for free, if you choose to, and sometimes the scenario does warrant giving up a freebie; but do you honestly expect anyone to work for the same promoter that screwed him last time? "NO." is the answer and there are only so many quality DJs to fuck over. A SMART promoter will pay his DJs what he told them he'd pay them before or during their set. A DJ having to chase his cash is unacceptable. Point finale. Just a note, any GOOD DJ is not replaceable. By the way I'd like to big up Alien Zed for his extremely professional attitude as a promoter. At a recent event I played for him, I was paid in full BEFORE my set and was treated very well. Definitely a promoter I would work with again in the future and that I would not hesistate to recommend. |
| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Turtle replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 8:20am |
 Coolness: 68415 | so many valid points!!! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ufot replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 8:55am |
 Coolness: 93210 | With regards to dj "union", I have at times in the past, and still to this day consider the merrits of starting a booking agency, to represent local dj's and live acts... I definitely think that a semi-to-full professional agency here in Montreal would tighten a loose ship, and force a lot of clubs and organizers and promoters to take our local acts more seriously and pay them their desired/required fees... the bennefits could range from general meetings with on hand business accountants, online server space for mixes bios etc, gig contracts (actual binding documents, signed by organizers and djs), workshops for production/mixing/mastering, vynil or digital music meets or swaps, collabs, showcase shows... I believe that if more dj's worked together in this city, things would be a lot more solid, and it would be a win-win... but, it is a ton of effort and upkeep, and Ive never been convinced that it would reach enough support or be self sufficient enough to actually function...
Ufot-the means of the many can sometimes be the fruits of a few |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» James replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 10:05am |
 Coolness: 37185 | To me, a DJ who plays for free is a complete moronic asshole. Why pay for DJ X when DJ Y plays for free every time? And over the years it snowballed into this standard practice of trying to cheap out on the lineup's budget.
99% of the promoters I've worked with over the years are criminals too. Some of them make absurd amounts of money, which they mostly keep to themselves cause "they did all the work". Funny how their own work is worth something when they mostly have no respect for the amount of time and effort invested by artists and djs to come up with the ONE thing that makes a party a success, the music. Ever tried a club night with no music? Its just not the same :) Promoters who complain they don't break even are the worst kind of human beings in the scene. If you can't fucking organize a 10k$ budget for a single event then GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE BUSINESS. Most promoters book cheap ass rooms, no deco, no nothing except a flyer, a PA and a mixer. And then they complain they had only 100 ppl in the party. Go back to school and take a semester in marketing for fuck's sake, its nothing to sell 1 freaking night of alcohol to a town full of alcoholic clubbers. |
| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 12:27pm |
 Coolness: 159230 | PUSH REC + PLAY 4 THE WIN !
Not only that but I remember a time where promoters threw partys because...they wanted to throw a party, not become rich ! At one point, some dumbfucks decided to see dollar signs in this and a crapload of people got on board and decided to throw partys to MAKE MONEY. And realized after a few years of complaining about the lack thereof, to bitch, whine and cry about being broke. Who exactly twisted their arms to start throwing partys ? Wait, was that themrselves ? Thought so. Well, like any business venture, you got in, lost everything, it's your own damn fault. If I decided to buy stock for motorized skateboards with extremely cheap parts on it, people start getting injured, board sale bombs, stock goes down dramatically and I lose everything, that's just too bad for me. All I have to say if that REAL promoters break even and are HAPPY ABOUT IT. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 4:11pm |
 Coolness: 166655 | I'm just worried about not getting booked because I need to get paid...I also wonder how many DJs writing on this thread are gonna get less bookings just for complaining...Getting paid has become a serious threat to getting gigs.
Reiterate: we are generalizing, there are great promoters out there doing what's right. I just wish others would follow their examples... .. . It would really suck if the Selectors and the Prods became enemies, distrusting of each other. In MTL, i prefer having promoters as friends rather than some bu$ine$$ guy i have to work for. So, we're asking kindly, for now, please allow us our just desserts. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 4:16pm |
 Coolness: 201335 | there is nothing wrong with playing for free if it is a free party. If they (the promoters) are charging at the door, the DJ has to get paid. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 4:19pm |
| Coolness: 159230 | I've had promoters friends before and, I hate to admit it, they became absolute paranoid control freak coke fiends. That also doesn't help as a semi-successful promoter. :(
And yes, there are promoters out there that are doing the right thing, treat their staff with decency and respect and we can never thank them enough for doing so. They're a dime a dozen but they gather a huge following quickly...as well they should. I mean, if THEY can do it properly and be successful at it, why do others resort to shady business ? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 4:20pm |
 Coolness: 85045 | Not to derail, but why is there a tip jar at the door where they sell tickets? Fuckin dj's should get the tip jar imo. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kishmay_Pinas replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 4:22pm |
 Coolness: 103365 | haha, ya....I have a regualar gig where I put out a tip jar...very rarely do peepz feel obliged to put something in it tho |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 4:22pm |
| Coolness: 201335 | yeah agreed.. the people doing the door are doing 99% less than the DJ. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 4:26pm |
| Coolness: 166655 | then again, w/out a good, trustworthy, person at the door, the promoter would have even less money to pay (or not pay) people with...lol |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 4:27pm |
| Coolness: 85045 | that 1% is reserved for "staying awake". Besides, a couple extra bucks from the jar is new tracks off beatport for the next gig. Win win. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 4:31pm |
| Coolness: 166655 | Funny how almost no promoters (who aren't already DJs) have weighed in on the subject...
meh... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 4:32pm |
| Coolness: 85045 | They're too busy learning to spin =] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 4:44pm |
| Coolness: 159230 | Isn't it obvious ? They are too broke to afford internet access. * rolls eyes *
yeah agreed.. the people doing the door are doing 99% less than the DJ.
God forbid the coats and purses get mixed up ! It's ok if no one's playing music but we have to make sure clothes aren't mixed up at the door ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 4:52pm |
 Coolness: 83985 | yeah... if you don't pay a good door girl you end up with less money to screw the dj out of!!! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 4:56pm |
| Coolness: 85045 | ok so:
1. pay your dj's 2. dont book shitty dj's 3. put the tip jar by the decks 4. ??? 5. profit. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 5:05pm |
| Coolness: 201335 | yeah... if you don't pay a good door girl you end up with less money to screw the dj out of!!!
That's pretty easy, hire someone who isn't going to get high/drunk until after their work is done. And replace 'door girl' with 'really big and scary guy who won't let you in for free'. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Thu Jul 10, 2008 @ 6:24pm |
| Coolness: 159230 | Also, explain me this : how can promoters say they didn't make enough money for a party when they let their friends, friend's friends and friend's friend's friends cut through the lineup outside and in for free. |
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