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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 1:19am |
 Coolness: 339765 | heh, always the lawyer. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mr_President replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 1:21am |
 Coolness: 46355 | I do what I can... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 2:23am |
 Coolness: 201325 | Almost everyone I know who goes to Mcgill is not even from Canada so they (I mean their parents) pay lots of money no matter what. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 10:25am |
| Coolness: 339765 | *thereby more serious about school*
that's exactly the problem with socialistic societies.. people get used to things being free, so why work as hard? communism doesn't work cause there's no inscentive. Free healthcare's flaw is that "hey, why not smoke? i'll get free cancer treamment later in life.. ", same goes for free education.. "beh, so what if i fail these classes, i'll just take em again next semester, they cost close to nothing (for me) so who cares..?" |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» michaeldino replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 12:35pm |
 Coolness: 69075 | ^agreed
Look, a strike is a useless way to get the government to hand out bursaries. People on bursaries are lazy. Not everyone getting money from the government deserves it. A lot of people just don't want to work, and that's the truth. THere are plenty of healthy people who could easily work for their schooling who just say "Fuck it! THe government will give me a free ride!" So there's no way that I can ever support a strike. Sure, I can't talk (supposedly) because I don't rely on bursaries to go to school. But I pay ALL my tuition and books, FROM MY OWN POCKET. Sure I live at home, with my parents and they feed and house me. But I still saved enough money last year to invest 5000$ in stocks and that's enough to pay for rent and I'm sure I could have gone without my trips to Cuba and been able to feed myself for a year too. Heck, and I don't even work during the school year! I only worked in the summer! People are lazy as fuck. FUck them if want a free ride. I may be lucky because I don't have to "worry" about money (supposedly), but I could even afford it if I did! I won't let all my ahrd work go to waste because so lazy fucking hippies want a free ride. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Miss_Amanda replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 2:07pm |
 Coolness: 160645 | I HATE HIPPIES! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» thehemeraproject replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 2:44pm |
| Coolness: 42850 | You're taking your own life experience to justify your views on how the whole society works. I don't think that makes sense. There are many factors that you have to take in account here, you can't just dump something like "if i did it, they can too". A lot of people don't have their parents backing them up, and living with your parents is an easy +500$ per month. 6000$ a year. Even if you work 45 hours, you end up with debts. This is a reality that clearly you don't care about. It's ok, it's just egocentrism.
There are many examples of countries with very succesful "free education" systems. Finland, France... I don't see why it couldn't work here also. So neoform, life is about working hard eh ? These socials conflicts are about philosophy of life. Some people think that the less you work, the better your life will be. Some other seem to think the exact contrary. Personaly, I don't see the point of spending my life doing something I dislike. And you know, most jobs aren't fun, they only LOOK fun on the cegep brochure. Obviously, work is essential. We used to be hunters, now hunting has been replace by working. We have to sacrifice time for money. Idealy, it is done with pleasure, and working seems like fun I guess when you have a lot of money. More power, more freedom. Less money, less power, less fredoom. So working becomes a bitch, you are poor, you live in Montreal Nord with not a lot of choices. You get a crappy job and work full time and ghetto conditions in the middle of nowhere. They aren't lazy, they're poor. And when you build a society built on competition, no matter how it changes, you always have losers and winners. It has nothing to do with lazyness or hard work, it's a natural law. And you're on top if you're lucky. Who are you parents, and what is their salaries. Some people don't deserve bursaries, but some definitely need them. There is obviously no perfect system. But letting down the low class is one way to high criminality rates and social exclusion. And I don't feel living in a city surrounded by favelas. I'm done. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BA_Baracus replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 2:57pm |
 Coolness: 121135 | woah so now liberal and socialism are gonna become bad and nasty words here like in the USA???
cmon thats what sets us apart... on top of that its too easy to think communism failed cuz of people becoming lazy, it was much more than just that |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 3:01pm |
| Coolness: 339765 | Originally posted by RANDOMJUNKIE...
You're taking your own life experience to justify your views on how the whole society works. I don't think that makes sense. There are many factors that you have to take in account here, you can't just dump something like "if i did it, they can too". A lot of people don't have their parents backing them up, and living with your parents is an easy +500$ per month. 6000$ a year. Even if you work 45 hours, you end up with debts. This is a reality that clearly you don't care about. It's ok, it's just egocentrism. There are many examples of countries with very succesful "free education" systems. Finland, France... I don't see why it couldn't work here also. a lot of people are also not born with the brains capable of getting them to those schools, are you crying for them aswell? LIFE IS NOT FAIR. When will people understand this. there will NEVER be complete equity in their world no matter how hard you try. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» thehemeraproject replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 3:02pm |
| Coolness: 42850 | The best ideology is the one that you don't need to impose. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 3:03pm |
| Coolness: 339765 | impsing free education on the government is an imposition on ALL taxpayers. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BA_Baracus replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 3:06pm |
| Coolness: 121135 | sure but lets not be blind to the fact that we are all on this planet together and working together is the only way we ll survive |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 3:06pm |
| Coolness: 339765 | how do you figure? anarchy works great if you're strong. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» thehemeraproject replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 3:08pm |
| Coolness: 42850 | Life is not fair. I know.
Fair and unfairness are two poles. If you take decisions to go towards fairness, obviously there will be some negative backlash. But if you encourage unfairness, that's basically shooting yourself in the foot. Anyone can learn, but no one can learn everything. Quebec might need some changes in it's education system, it needs to be more flexible. Obviously it's not everyone who should attend universities, and you need a system that will help people to realize who they are, instead of shoving useless junk down their throats. The second is obviously much easier, but this society needs inovation, new ideas, we're just throwing around the same old shit here. Education benefits the whole society, so everyone should pay. Finland is an economicaly competitive country even if it has a lot of social programs. People are in love with their stacks. Why don't you marry it ? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» michaeldino replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 3:09pm |
| Coolness: 69075 | Originally posted by RANDOMJUNKIE...
You're taking your own life experience to justify your views on how the whole society works. I don't think that makes sense. There are many factors that you have to take in account here, you can't just dump something like "if i did it, they can too". A lot of people don't have their parents backing them up, and living with your parents is an easy +500$ per month. 6000$ a year. Even if you work 45 hours, you end up with debts. This is a reality that clearly you don't care about. It's ok, it's just egocentrism. i stopped reading after that... DID YOU NOT EVEN READ MY POST??? I told you that I am living with my parents for food and shelter... But EVEN SO I SAVED UP 5000$ AND SPENT NEARLY 1500$ GOING TO CUBA AND 1000$ GOING BACK AND FORTH FROM VANCOUVER. that's 7500$ that i saved... and if i was living alone with my parents it would more than cover my expenses for living... (i also stated that i pay my own tutition and books totalling MUCH more than 2000$ a semester im in engineering)... so wow... read before saying anything... if i can work ONLY during the summer and manage that PLUS a 3.3 GPA eat me... and I'm sure if i was living on my own i would cut back on eating out and wasting money... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 3:10pm |
| Coolness: 201325 | There are many examples of countries with very succesful "free education" systems. Finland, France
Those countries have very very high taxes... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» michaeldino replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 3:11pm |
| Coolness: 69075 | oh wait im sorry... i forgot... i got maybe 150$ for my birthday! my summer job wasnt my only source of income...
and once i installed lights at my gym and they paid me 150$ eat me... if i can do so can those lazy artsy fartsy fucks who wanna strike theyre lazy end of story |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 3:13pm |
| Coolness: 201325 | Hey I'm an artsy fartsy fuck and I don't want to strike and paid for a lot of my schooling! But I was lucky enough to get a good job though... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» thehemeraproject replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 3:26pm |
| Coolness: 42850 | Pretty funny, considering that I'm working right now for my university program. 3000$ already, and I still have 3 cegep semesters to go through. I won't even need financial aid. But my view on the subject is not based on my personaly experience, because you know, things are relative.
Bravo champ, I'm living with my parents too, I'm going to Europe this summer. Did I complain about not having money ? Did I complain about working ? I do what I have to do and I'm lucky to have parents to back me up. I don't mind working, I do mind overworking. They have very high taxes ? No shit ! That's how you have free education. Instead of paying directly the university, the government does it. I don't see what is the evil part of this. Please tell me. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» michaeldino replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 3:26pm |
| Coolness: 69075 | i wasnt...
i was making like 9$/hour working for the government... sure it more than minimum wage.. but not much grrrrrrrr... it just angers me that i would lose all my work for this semester PLUS need an extra YEAR of school because some lazy dicks want a free ride |
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