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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Morphine replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 8:50am |
 Coolness: 51070 | bursaries and scholarships are supposed to be for people who demonstrate exceptional scholastic ability. so they get money for school as a reward. giving money to poor people so they can go to school too is a good socially conscious act, but it gets out of control when everyone starts screaming for what they feel is their god-given right, demanding free money and a no strings attached education.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 8:50am |
 Coolness: 339765 | even worse. meaning most students have nothing to worry about, just those getting free money from the government. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» little_sarah replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 8:56am |
 Coolness: 121540 | Originally posted by MORPHINE...
bursaries and scholarships are supposed to be for people who demonstrate exceptional scholastic ability. so they get money for school as a reward. giving money to poor people so they can go to school too is a good socially conscious act, but it gets out of control when everyone starts screaming for what they feel is their god-given right, demanding free money and a no strings attached education.. everyone SHOULD have the right to an education, and alot of people won't be able to afford it otherwise. and without the bursaries, by the time they're done school they'll be worse off rather than better. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» little_sarah replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 8:57am |
| Coolness: 121540 | Originally posted by DJNEOFORM...
even worse. meaning most students have nothing to worry about, just those getting free money from the government. they still have alot to worry about, it's not like they give you your entire loan (not even close) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Morphine replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 9:00am |
| Coolness: 51070 | "without people giving me everything for free i would be a lot worse off!!!!"
no shit.... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 9:11am |
| Coolness: 339765 | Originally posted by LITTLE SARAH...
they still have alot to worry about, it's not like they give you your entire loan (not even close) uhh yeah, hey, life isn't free, work for your money. Up untill decemeber i was working 40 hours a week ontop of school. I did that for 2 years. Sorry but i'm not superman, a lot of other people can pull it off if they want to. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 10:41am |
 Coolness: 145300 | we are through dreaming the dream
it is now time to live the dream it is not necessary to smash the world to peices we must simply make it anew |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 11:23am |
 Coolness: 299425 | y'all should come to mcgill instead. strike free weee
If I had the choice I would have been there in the first place. Stupid hippie school! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 12:14pm |
| Coolness: 339765 | mcgill's not going on strike cause mcgill students are a lot more serious about their education and know they can't afford to take time off. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» TONES replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 12:46pm |
 Coolness: 50570 | Originally posted by DJNEOFORM...
mcgill's not going on strike cause mcgill students are a lot more serious about their education and know they can't afford to take time off. Thats bullshit. Theres no incentive for McGill people to strike because most of them are from abroad, they arent concerned with the strike because it doesent touch them in any way shape or form. «A lot more serious..» Oh please thats a crock of crap. Most students at my school have tuition and apartments paid for by mommy and daddy in Toronto. People at UQAM and UdeM are more likely to be paying for their own education, or are in need of grants, so they really can afford to take time off. Hell, you dont even go to McGill so youre just talking out of your ass. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mr_Frog replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 1:02pm |
 Coolness: 97200 | Originally posted by MORPHINE...
a loan of 12000-25000 is pretty much like paying a car loan off and no one helps you pay for that, no one gives you a free car. its not an unfeasible thing to do, especially if you have a uselful post-collegiate education. of course if you majored in something like philosophy or basket weaving, then don't whine and complain if you cant make ends meet after you graduate uni. if the government is nice enough to pay for your higher education, the least you could do is pay them back the money; and it should be YOU thanking THEM. THEY gave YOU the free education and once you have it, no one is forcing you to stay here and put that education to use. you're free to leave and take your finely honed brain and your acquired skill and work elsewhere, like the states. this is the "brain drain" phenomenon thats been plaguing this province for years now... Well, it's not every job outhere that give you 50 000$+ a year when you finish school. A friend of mine had a loan of 14 000$ when he finished school, and it took him 2 years to find a job in his domain, starting at 28 000$ a year. He sure love what he is doing, but with 28 000$ and 2 years with no job, it's quite hard to pay a loan. It's not everyone that buy a new car at 22-23-24-25... when they finish school, it's not everyone that can afford a car, need a car. You know, if I live in a place that I need a car and I don't have money to pay for a new car, I'll buy a used one because it's the only thing I can pay. You can't do that with education, if you want a formation but you don't have the means, what do you do? Also, people, you can't compare the USA system to us, our economy is quite different and here, we have a more socialist-type economy than our south neighbors. We don't pay up to 54% of taxes + others taxes for nothing: we have services in return, and it's ok for me to pay my ~45% of taxes if I'm well servered and I know that my money is well managed. That's how we pay education, the government don't pay for us, we pay all our life for it, and it's way better than i the US where poor people can just go to shitty Universities far far from home. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Morphine replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 1:14pm |
| Coolness: 51070 | newsflash: your money is NOT being well managed by a long shot.
if you want a formation and you dont have the means you take out a student loan and you pay it back when you can. when it comes to being paid back for loans they lent out to students, the govt is quite understanding. theyre not knocking down your door the minute your sheepskin is in your hand demanding the money... you cant just expect to have a free education handed to you on a silver platter just because you're you and you pay 54% taxes like everyone else. what youre saying in effect, to quote fat mike, is " wheres my slice? i want more than equal rights, i want everything for free" if you want to get into a debate about how our tax money is mismanaged then maybe we had better start another thread because theres reams to say on the subject. one thing that seems obvious though is that there are at least a few social issues on the table, healthcare for one, that need our tax money more than the bursary/ tuition issue. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mr_Frog replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 1:22pm |
| Coolness: 97200 | but hello, we're talking about removing 103 millions that were always there.
It's not like students are asking for a new 100 millions, they are asking to not remove this 103 millions. Like I said, isn't not ironic that private schools get ~400 millions a year and we're cuting the money from the public students. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Morphine replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 1:29pm |
| Coolness: 51070 | yeah they should cut money from the private schools too, and redirect it towards problematic issues OTHER than bursaries |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 1:48pm |
| Coolness: 339765 | Originally posted by TONES...
Originally posted by DJneoform...
mcgill's not going on strike cause mcgill students are a lot more serious about their education and know they can't afford to take time off. Thats bullshit. Theres no incentive for McGill people to strike because most of them are from abroad, they arent concerned with the strike because it doesent touch them in any way shape or form. «A lot more serious..» Oh please thats a crock of crap. Most students at my school have tuition and apartments paid for by mommy and daddy in Toronto. People at UQAM and UdeM are more likely to be paying for their own education, or are in need of grants, so they really can afford to take time off. Hell, you dont even go to McGill so youre just talking out of your ass. Nope, byt my daddy is a professor there and my sister went there. And if you haven't noticed people coming in from all over the world to attend a school, i'd say that means they're pretty serious, i wouldn't travel across the world to go to school somewhere just to take a semester off cause it cost too much. and Uqam is for people who couldn't get into McGill or concordia. Their standards are far lower. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 3:44pm |
| Coolness: 145300 | Originally posted by DJNEOFORM...
mcgill's not going on strike cause mcgill students are a lot more serious about their education and know they can't afford to take time off. and alot more conservative |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BA_Baracus replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 7:35pm |
 Coolness: 121135 | uhhh yeah mcgill has the most out of towners of all (and is also the richest school in qC if i m not mistaken)
what a fucked up year, eh? i wonder whats next |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» TONES replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 7:52pm |
| Coolness: 50570 | What the fuck kind of lethargic thinking is this.
All bullshit. Were not one bit conservative in my department, were fucking socialists. And there are excellent programs at UQAM. You think every smart french person in Qc tries to get into Concordia or McGill! Some of us actually want to study in the other national language - french. All that you're saying points to the presumption that you think english canadians are smarter than french canadians. If you think that Concordia is superior than U de M, youre highly mistakin because its the other way around. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 12:08am |
| Coolness: 339765 | No U of M is probably better in many programs than Concordia, but McGill is known around the world as being an excellent school. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mr_President replied on Sat Mar 12, 2005 @ 1:18am |
| Coolness: 46355 | I am not sure where you got the info that the semester will be canceled if there is a CSU vote in favor of an extended strike. As far as I am concerned, the Concordia Administration and the CSU would be liable for any loss of real or potential income from the cancellation of an entire semester. The university has an obligation to remain open strike or not.
I for one will be crossing the picket line and welcome anyone to attempt to stop me. Furthermore, I can assure any of you worried students that any attempt to cancel an entire semester would result in massive litigation from injuctions to restraining orders to damages class actions. |
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