Attn: All Concordia Students
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» TONES replied on Thu Mar 10, 2005 @ 9:04pm |
 Coolness: 50570 | you should all come to McGill guys. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Morphine replied on Thu Mar 10, 2005 @ 9:10pm |
 Coolness: 51070 | isnt part of it that the govt wants to reduce money given out on bursaries or scholarships (read: free money). so people are pissed because instead of being GIVEN the money for school, they'll be LOANED the money, and be expected to pay it back once theyre done school. i dont think i heard anything about the govt reducing student loans as well as bursaries....
do they actually want to HIKE tuition fees directly or is a hike the indirect result of what i described above?...... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» TONES replied on Thu Mar 10, 2005 @ 9:16pm |
| Coolness: 50570 | what i'm saying is that the richer you are, the more likely you will accept a LOAN.
This is all documented, the cause-effect is a fact and will take place. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu Mar 10, 2005 @ 9:20pm |
 Coolness: 339765 | Originally posted by TONES...
Why take our wonderful system and tamper with it. uhh, cause they need to pay the bills? not everything can stay peachy cream forever. If you want to see tuitions stay down then harrass the government for blowing billions on retarded subsidies that exist in quebec. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» TONES replied on Thu Mar 10, 2005 @ 9:23pm |
| Coolness: 50570 | One hundred million is nothing.
That doesent pay the bills. And some things can stay rosy. Its not like our economy is doing badly, much to the contrary. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu Mar 10, 2005 @ 9:27pm |
| Coolness: 339765 | i never said 100million, and yes that still is a lot of money.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mr_Frog replied on Thu Mar 10, 2005 @ 9:32pm |
 Coolness: 97200 | ok, I'm not a student anymore, but is that a reason to say that in Quebec, education cost less than anywhere in North-America?
We're talking about education here, something that is supposed to be free and that everyone should be able to have. Stop thinking only for you, yourself and you and your semester. It's not everyone that can live with Daddy & Mommy, who are paying almost everything, food, rent, books, insurances, hydro, phone, semester, etc.. Some people pay everything by their own because it's the only way they can get their education. When you study full time, live in your own appartment, pay your food, your car if you have to use one (not everyone study in Montreal), it might be quite hard to have enough money to pay everything. And don't say that everyone should work full time at the same time to have money. It's proved that this combination is really not good on the academic side and on the motivation side. I did it for a complete year few years ago, I had ~65 hours /week of school/work, a full year non-stop (an Attestion d'Etudes Collegiales - AEC) and in the last months, it was quite rough. I just can't imagine thoses who do this 3-4-5+ years in a row. Theses 103 millions were there for students that succeed, that need money because they can't afford to have a full time job and still need to live and eat. A state should never take money from the education, it's what we have of more invaluable. It should even be cheaper since the education is what shapes our future, and it's not everyone that have the means to have this future. It's not everyone that can pay a loan of 12 000-25 000$ when they finish school. It helps to think that at least, if you suceeded well, maybe the government will pay half of it to say thank you to work for the society. This strike will do something, it's not like another Cegep du Vieux's strike made by some neo-socialist-that-don't-know-anything-about-the-real-world. I think that money should be took from private school first, 60% of the money of private school comes from public, which is like 640 millions a year. It's quite ironic to finance private school and to cut in the grants of succeeding students on the public side. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» jase replied on Thu Mar 10, 2005 @ 9:35pm |
| Coolness: 36235 | what i dont understand is that we are in canada running a surplus (or so ive heard ), quebec has the highest taxes so why the fuck are they cutting social programs. we as citizens are being taken advantage of...
ps im not for the stike i have paid and im not losing my money. But ill tell you one thing i will never ever vote liberal in any sense ever. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» TONES replied on Thu Mar 10, 2005 @ 9:39pm |
| Coolness: 50570 | Originally posted by DJNEOFORM...
i never said 100million, and yes that still is a lot of money.. I said 100 million, thats roughly the cut and NO, its not a lot. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Zz.ee.vV replied on Thu Mar 10, 2005 @ 9:44pm |
 Coolness: 194125 | i can totally understand the arguments against the hikes and all
i worked the entire time i went to college and uni. lived on my own, paid rent and bills too. i still owe money on govt loans.. but thats not the point here THE POINT IS IT IS STUDENTS WHO WILL SUFFER if they lose a semester. Govt may or may not listen, but many will lose the hard earned marks coming to them, and a whole lot of time, which to some of us is pretty important. Some of you peeps may be willing to make that sort of significant personal sacrifice for the (arguable) greater good, but not everyone is. Speak for yourselves and don't drag everyone into this... I'm not saying shut the fuck up and take it up the ass, altough I do think higher education and conditions for paying for it are better here than anywhere. But the chest-thumpers need to FIND OTHER MEANS TO GET THE POINT ACROSS, that won't hurt alot of students just like themselves. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PaT_ replied on Thu Mar 10, 2005 @ 9:46pm |
| Coolness: 116395 | I understand the whole tuition thing in regards to the universities, but what I wanted to know is whether the universities going on strike and the french cegeps on strike (and the potential of English cegeps going on strike) have any to do with each other. Or is it 2 different strikes? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu Mar 10, 2005 @ 9:58pm |
| Coolness: 339765 | who ever said education is supposed to be free??
elementary, high school and cegep are free, but university is an extra for those who wish to push their education higher than the rest. I don't recall anyone ever saying that it should be free.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nie replied on Thu Mar 10, 2005 @ 11:02pm |
| Coolness: 50750 | Now a days, every ass has a BAC...if you want to get anywhere, University is mandatory...and even there! I don`t think University is optional. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu Mar 10, 2005 @ 11:08pm |
| Coolness: 339765 | i dissagree. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kidd replied on Thu Mar 10, 2005 @ 11:27pm |
 Coolness: 41965 | im in no position to disagree with the strike, considering I don't have to pay for my education; However, its ridiculous to have a strike with only three few weeks left of the semester. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 1:26am |
 Coolness: 299425 | my school is not cancelling the semester. I just received an email saying that if the strike is more than 3 weeks (we are on week 1) they will extend the semester. Which means its gonna suck for people that go to summer school but at least the semester is not ruined. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Miss_Amanda replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 8:12am |
 Coolness: 160645 | y'all should come to mcgill instead. strike free weee |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Miss_Amanda replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 8:28am |
| Coolness: 160645 | also, university here is fuckin cheap and yes I PAY FOR MY OWN EDUCATION. every penny.
would you care to compare with american colleges? i agree with the government turning those 1.3 million $ into loans - there are far too many people in university fucking off when you attach some sort of money leasch, you know the people in class are working hard to pay for their education so they take it seriously. they're working towards something other than living off a free education for the heck of it. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Morphine replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 8:35am |
| Coolness: 51070 | Originally posted by X-FROG...
It's not everyone that can pay a loan of 12 000-25 000$ when they finish school. It helps to think that at least, if you suceeded well, maybe the government will pay half of it to say thank you to work for the society. . a loan of 12000-25000 is pretty much like paying a car loan off and no one helps you pay for that, no one gives you a free car. its not an unfeasible thing to do, especially if you have a uselful post-collegiate education. of course if you majored in something like philosophy or basket weaving, then don't whine and complain if you cant make ends meet after you graduate uni. if the government is nice enough to pay for your higher education, the least you could do is pay them back the money; and it should be YOU thanking THEM. THEY gave YOU the free education and once you have it, no one is forcing you to stay here and put that education to use. you're free to leave and take your finely honed brain and your acquired skill and work elsewhere, like the states. this is the "brain drain" phenomenon thats been plaguing this province for years now... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» little_sarah replied on Fri Mar 11, 2005 @ 8:42am |
 Coolness: 121540 | Originally posted by DJNEOFORM...
see there is no valid reason for the strike, they're complaining cause now they're going to have to pay more for tuition.. GOLLY THAT SOUNDS HORRIBLE. there would be a reason for this strike *IF* tuitions were already high, BUT THEY'RE NOT. Infact, they're the lowest in north america. Like what the hell is wrong with people?? You can't have fucking everything for free. Learn to work for what you get and maybe you wont be so shocked when the bill comes. it has nothing to do with the tuition, they'r enot tryign to raise the fees right now they're trying to cut back on bursaries, and we'll be the province to give the least amount i'm against a strike (becasue it will screw me, i'm in the same situation as scott) but that doesn't mean i think it's right. |
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