Fuck-Off Cheap Promoters !!! (like Hexa-5)
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 2:21pm |
 Coolness: 66675 | fucking promoters these days... they wont even shell out a dime to get good looking publicity either. I'm looking at you AlienZed. this i disagree dude just my opinion, but he is one of the best promoters out there, he takes time and cares about the quality of his parties - you give him feedback on his party he'll actually take it into account, everyone i know has nothing but positive feedback for em', and he tries his best to accommodate everyone i've seen it ^^ maybe something shitty happened between you two or something who knows 'shrugs' anyway just my opinion n @ cutterhead thanks lol wanted to make sure i was on the right track |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» IndigoChild a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 2:27pm |
 Coolness: 54220 | Je suis dacord avec toi jusqua un certain point Melo..
C juste que moi un rave c pas un show de dj point final. (ni une prouesse de promoteur) C un gathering,c sur quun bon dj peut faire une difence mais jais deja ete dans des party ou le dj boot etait cacher et cetait tout aussi amusant. Je respecte le gout de la qualiter Melo sa cest sur je paye cher aussi pour aller voir des artistes que jaime mais si sa doit devenir des heures de bitchages et de mecontementement je prefere mes rave broche a foin. Et tant qua moi une foule mediocre en ame fait un party beaucoup plus poche qune party de qualiter mediocre remplie de gens qui on bcq dame. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BOBDYLAN a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 2:27pm |
 Coolness: 148160 | j'suis confus!
J'organise des rave à 40$ à la porte (mais prévente raisonnable) des raves a 5$ pis des free rave j'trouve sérieux, que les vibe dans toutes les events que j'ai inventé le nom du rave, produit et co-organisé avec d'autre monde sont du pareil au même; fou raide. Miaou 1 et 6 (chill ta moule) epic 1 et 3 (chill ta moule, ntk, renegade sound, foward music, monkey dub) Flower shop (chill ta moule, renegade sound) Love la moustache (epic prod) Limouzine magazine (epic prod) S't'ai toute mongole. J'vois vraiment pas pourquoi psy crisis sera pas mongole. En plus James Peave c'est vraiment pété s'qui fait, tu vas voir. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MelooDie a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 2:29pm |
 Coolness: 248400 | Eh bien, moi j'ai jamais vu une aussi mauvaise vibe qu'a Miaou 6. Et je ne suis pas la seule a le penser...
Puis Indigo Child. Moi heureusement je n'ai eu aucun Bitchage et Mécontentement . P-e des fois les gens qui nous entourent créent cette vibe la? Quand on voit le verre a moitié vide , c'est qu'on recherche a le voir ainsi. Moi je vois le verre a moitié plein depuis le début et je ressors satisfaite et mes amis aussi. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BOBDYLAN a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 2:31pm |
| Coolness: 148160 | yeah ? je sais pas, s't'ai particulier. Le 4:20 est mémorable.
Le systeme de la porte a porté du monde à confusion, même dans l'équipe elle-même. La salle choisie chiait, il fesait trop chaud, mais écoute c'est ça qui est beau, c'est comme à epic 3,5 quand la sirène d'alarme à partie. C'est pas parce qu'un élément fuck que le party entier suck. à ce que je sache, yavait Endo, pis au pire s't'ai 5$. Le kit de son t'ai épique. Non je sais pas, si je réecoute le clip, t'a d'l'air a àvoir du fun. ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 2:33pm |
 Coolness: 88615 | maybe something shitty happened between you two or something who knows 'shrugs' anyway just my opinion
Nothing shitty happened between us at all. He just made a thread about how he offers one guest list to graphic designers who made his flyers and got mad when they tried to get more than one. The guy bitches in this thread about promoters not paying DJs adequately and then turns around and asks for designers opinion on flyers he makes that look like someone with zero graphic knowledge would make because he's too cheap to pay someone to do it. Why should anyone give trade secrets to someone who will basically try to do the job yet cant but will never admit to it for the sole reason of being cheap? I'm sorry, but that's what I and many other folk do to pay the bills and a shitty ass 20$ guest list isn't gonna keep anyone fed. You want good promo? You want a slick kick ass design? 20$/hr and 40$/hr for corrections if you change your mind once you've approved the concept and that's pretty cheap. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BOBDYLAN a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 2:36pm |
| Coolness: 148160 | qu'est-ce qui suck mélo, c'est justement quand tu dis qqc pis que tu le fait pas, comme pas payer un artiste.
on as jamais eu à ce reproché ça. C'est ça qui compte. T'sais, oublie pas que Miaou c'est mon anniversaire. Malgré tout le drama qui est arrivé ce soir là, j'en garde un souvenir mémorable, pourquoi? PARCE QUE CÉTAIT MÉMORABLE! pis anyway tsé, tu ''fail'' un party on s'en calisse c'est comme fail un gateau ou fail un exam ou fail un tattoo (lol) ca arrive ! Mise À Jour » BOBDYLAN a écrit sur Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 2:46pm t'sais j'oublie des promoteurs, des artistes, des ninja.... au final c'est qu'on pousse tous ensemble pour pas que ça crève.
Mais peut-etre que comme dit milton on devrait laisser tomber le flambeau? Parce que Milton clark, fuck off, j'ai vraiment pas le feeling que j'ai laissé tombé le flambeau. Je bûche en calisse pour offrir des raves plus débilles les uns que les autres. N.a. bûche aussi en sacrament pour offrir des soirée hardcore en ville. Mise À Jour » BOBDYLAN a écrit sur Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 2:56pm PAE CONTRE
si tu cherches du dubstep et un shit over load de bass, t'inquiète pas tu vas en trouver. Si tu cherches du psytrance back à back pendant 10 heures, t'inquiète pas tu vas en trouver. cette scène là est tellement prolifique! Ca commence à être plus difficile de trouver des all night - rave- neorave - (how the fuck ever you want to call it) - avec des styles de musiques plus underground, moins accéssible et des headliner. Man faire les maths c'est compliqué, parles en à Mélo ! Mise À Jour » BOBDYLAN a écrit sur Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 3:02pm Le point est que la scène à jamais été en difficulté, elle se transforme et devient le fruit des efforts, des valeurs et des concepts qui la pousse.
Et si on regarde dans les faits, dans le language promotionnel une des pire chose à faire est de dire à un artiste qu'il touchera tant et de ne pas lui donner la somme convenue. Après, que le party soit weirdo, que le dj trainwreck pis que la police débarque, c'est secondaire. Si le DJ a performé, qu'il avait une entente écrite ou verbale, tu le fuckin paye. Ya déjà eu des promoteur qui ont booké des headline sans les payer, tu sais ca combien c'est dommageable pour la scène, vraiment. Que tes party soit attardé mentale avec des femmes à barbes, des clowns pis des ânes, on s'en calisse, mais payes tes artistes. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DiddyKong a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 3:04pm |
 Coolness: 132120 | J'adore Mixer... surtout dans de gros gros gros SPEAKER pcq j'ai juste des 10 pouces chez moi!!
J'lance un défi... Que quelqu'un trouve si j'ai déjà demandé du $$$ pour mixer... En autant que ma soiré me coûte rien j'suis en bisness!! +1 pour moi!! M'essemble quand t'arrenge de quoi avec un DJ tu tiens ta parole... Professionnalisme oblige!! Mes 2 cents!! |
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| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» MelooDie a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 3:05pm |
| Coolness: 248400 | C'est facile en effet de faire des soirées dubstep / psytrance, pcq la demande est la. La complication vient a rejoindre une clientèle avec des goûts différents et réussir à envelopper la nouvelle vague de hipsters / jeunes ravers à élargir leurs horizons. Cette fin de semaine , Finger in the Noize amènent Elite Force a montréal , de l'électro breakbeat et aucune saveur dubstep. Je suis sure et certaine que leur party va etre une réussite malgré que c'est une scene plus méconnue.Il faut seulement croire en sa scene et continuer de la faire revivre. Je pourrais faire des party dubstep avec des dj poulaires pour faire de l'argent et ca fonctionnerait. Pourtant mon but a moi est vraiment d'éduquer la nouvelle génération avec nos sons , ceux qui ont amener justement à la musique d'aujourd'hui. Ca fait quelques années que le breakbeat a pris une dérape a montréal, et pourtant je continue de forcer et promouvoir des djs comme Marty Mcfly qui font partis de notre histoire. C'est à tous et chacun, y'en pour qui avoir du plaisir c'est se fondre a la masse, hélas moi en tant que dj et promoteur je ne serai jamais comme cela:) Ce serait comme vendre mon âme au diable pour 10$ J'aime mieux faire un party et apporter ce que j'aime , que tout le monde soyent payer et sortent heureux que de promouvoir quelque chose pour un aspect monétaire ou le fame. Mais bon ca reste moi :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 3:07pm |
| Coolness: 88615 | C'est grace à du monde comme toi que les promoteurs se croient tout permis pi que des DJs c'est pas obligé d'être payé.
Bravo! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 3:29pm |
 Coolness: 509535 | for the record, I don't know this guy personally...
Originally Posted By STRIK_IX
Nothing shitty happened between us at all. He just made a thread about how he offers one guest list to graphic designers who made his flyers and got mad when they tried to get more than one. The guy bitches in this thread about promoters not paying DJs adequately and then turns around and asks for designers opinion on flyers he makes that look like someone with zero graphic knowledge would make because he's too cheap to pay someone to do it. quote up or shut up, that never happened! I have done business with graphic designers in the past in return for guest lists and some cash, but never anything as cheap as what you describe... it was more like 3 guest passes and 60$. I've never been willing to pay the real price for my flyers, I'm sorry but when your total budget is 3.5 grand, you can't afford another 200$ on top of the printing cost to get a flyer out... OK if you're party has international headliners and you need promo to be the do all and end all of promotions then yeah ok pay someone well and get a good product. [rant]You fucking graphic designers make me sick though! I've had horrible experience with graphic designers who charge 50$/h in my web dev job and never get the job done. You ask for a nice complete piece of work and when you notice how much it SUCKS they ask for you to double their wage to come back with something decent and then it's still not done so you're ten hours into something that they assured you would take 4, you're doubly over budget and you still don't have the whole thing done. Is your job worth that 30$/h average? Yes, if you deliver, but most graphic artists are spoiled brats who only deliver when you're already way over budget and refuse to give you the base materials you paid for until they get their ransom cash. fuck you Leila![/rant] seriously though graphic designers don't make me sick. Annie did my flyer for Black Magik for the last two years, I'd like to think I paid her a decent little sum... maybe not 50$/h but enough to make it worth her time. my real problem is the lack of stratification in the industry... what happened to skilled people who like their work enough to help a brother out every now and then... we all know the most I could possibly make from throwing my party is gonna be like 500$ and I'm putting in mad hours, made budget and mad effort to get it all going... it's not fair for someone who is taking care of 5% of the event to make even close to half what I am making MAX IF things go really well. So yeah, it takes time, skill and effort but I'm not Apple here, I don't have a 4.3 million dollar Ad budget aight? all in all who can afford what you say you cost? these 'never ending' paid by the hour jobs only work when you're Mister Moneybags 
and I don't own a monocle. Originally Posted By STRIK_IX
Why should anyone give trade secrets to someone who will basically try to do the job yet cant but will never admit to it for the sole reason of being cheap? out of the goodness of their heart... when the guy involved isn't profiting directly from said secrets. To be nice, to help out... etc... Originally Posted By STRIK_IX
I'm sorry, but that's what I and many other folk do to pay the bills and a shitty ass 20$ guest list isn't gonna keep anyone fed. You want good promo? You want a slick kick ass design? 20$/hr and 40$/hr for corrections if you change your mind once you've approved the concept and that's pretty cheap. That's just unrealistic for most of our events though... where do you think all our money comes from? We charge 20$ at the door, everyone complains that it's already too expensive, we lose money most of the time and YOURE not making ENOUGH?! fuck man, what do you want from us? I'm not paying my bills from any of this either so don't act like i'm a hypocrite or I'm trying to squeeze you and your talents out of all the juicy sweet nectar of creative awesomeness! I didn't ask anyone to work for free, I'm not pretending I'm a skilled graphic designer or anything close. I post a pic and say:"Hey how could it be improved?" Am I really so evil for that? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BOBDYLAN a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 3:35pm |
| Coolness: 148160 | Originally Posted By STRIK_IX
C'est grace à du monde comme toi que les promoteurs se croient tout permis pi que des DJs c'est pas obligé d'être payé. Bravo! J'suis pas d'accord. C'est deux affaires. C'est totalement distinc. (milton clark see answer ton your update here) Le booking d'un dj dans un event où un autre dj à été payé 100, 400, 1000 ou 2000 et que ce dj là ait reçu le cachet d'une bonne tappe sul'cul des fois c'est comme ça, le party est kif-kif avec la vente de billets, tu dis à ces dj que si tout va bien, que si t'a le permit d'alcool et que la vente des billet te break even, tu les gâtes sur les ventes du bar. J'veux que ça soit clair, si tu dis au dude que tu lui donne 100$ que tes ventes ou non ailles bien, tu lui donnes 100$ si tu lui dis que si tes ventes vont bien tu le gâtes. Mais des fois, ça fail. Tu pognes pas le permis d'alcool, la room chie ou les cops débarquent. Show must go on. Alors il arrive fréquement que certains touche a des cachets un peu platte comme 3a-4 redbull pis 2-3 cigarettes. Surtout que t'sais, on book 25 dj par event, fait le calcul man, c'est epic. Mise À Jour » BOBDYLAN a écrit sur Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 3:40pm mike, pat ? wtf ?
chill out man. ''i don't own a monocle'' 'LOL |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 3:44pm |
 Coolness: 685565 | I love how Mr. I-don't-leave-the-house-for-less-than-$100-because-this-this-this-and-this-costs-me-this-much-and-everyone-that-does-it-for-less -is-ruining-it-for-the-rest-of-us turns around and decides what graphic designers should do their job for.
Seriously, my hat goes off to you for the single most hypocritical post in this thread - you've managed to do exactly what you claim you won't stand for when it comes to DJing. |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 3:49pm |
| Coolness: 88615 | quote up or shut up
flyer is formulaic like the party and any fee is a big fee when parties break even by the skin of their teeth... you know people say they'll do it for guestlist but expect to bring their 2-3 closest friends... and heck they'd deserve more but 4 peeps getting in free is 80$, not to mention that the graphic designer often feels way underpaid, creating a bad vibe of sorts... been there, don't want to do it again :\
I wouldnt do it for 10 guestlists... I've had horrible experience with graphic designers who charge 50$/h in my web dev job and never get the job done. You ask for a nice complete piece of work and when you notice how much it SUCKS they ask for you to double their wage to come back with something decent and then it's still not done so you're ten hours into something that they assured you would take 4, you're doubly over budget and you still don't have the whole thing done. Is your job worth that 30$/h average? Yes, if you deliver, but most graphic artists are spoiled brats who only deliver when you're already way over budget and refuse to give you the base materials you paid for until they get their ransom cash.
Erm no... Most clients are complete idiots who dont know shit about design and come back once you are done with what THEY approved and change the concept completely. Regular correction for the same concept is done at a regular fee not double, if YOU change the concept and the designer has to redo the whole fucking job then you do pay double, thats the way it is on every contract I work on period. I have a schedule to keep and other clients to deal with that don't turn around and change everything because all of a sudden they aren't happy with what they asked for. Spoiled brat? A good designer works hard for his contracts and to please his customers because what he does for you is worth it if it goes to his portfolio. You wanna pay a fixed fee, then I aint correcting shit for free, you take it as is after ive worked for 3 hours and given it an hours time to do whatever the fuck you need from whats already in place. Not happy? Who cares, do business the right way or don't do it at all. it's not fair for someone who is taking care of 5% of the event to make even close to half what I am making MAX IF things go really well. So yeah, it takes time, skill and effort but I'm not Apple here, I don't have a 4.3 million dollar Ad budget aight?
That is completely irrelevant, make more money with your event, find a way to cut budgets on other things than services you receive from 3rd parties. The guy you are renting equipment from doesnt give a shit if hes making 50% of whatever you get form profit, he charges a fee and you stfu and pay it. Same thing applies to your graphic designer. And a big fat 100-200$ is NOT 4.3 million is it? I'm not paying my bills from any of this either so don't act like i'm a hypocrite or I'm trying to squeeze you and your talents out of all the juicy sweet nectar of creative awesomeness!
That's too bad, because I don't care. I am paying MY bills with these fees. I didn't ask anyone to work for free, I'm not pretending I'm a skilled graphic designer or anything close. I post a pic and say:"Hey how could it be improved?" Am I really so evil for that?
Because sadly, these days any moron with photoshop thinks he can do a designers job to cut corners and save money. The end result is piss poor product for the masses and less jobs for us and quite frankly it pisses me right the fuck off. Get a book learn the trade and do it right. Otherwise take out your wallet and pay someone to give you something good. And for the record, I've done a ton of shit for free for charity. Your rave isn't charity, it's still business. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Olivia a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 3:53pm |
 Coolness: 66980 | Originally Posted By MELODRASTIK
The deal we had with you was that you were entering for free ,you and your girlfriend at Limouzine Magazine in exchange of your 45 minutes set. You knew the deal before mixing. Price at the door was 40$: so 80$ for mixing 45 min. at a bar , i think is really fine. Don't End up asking money if you knew before accepting the gig what it was . Deuce Havok both didn't complained , Plekco eighter cuz they were really happy to come partying with us and didn't paid a buck for a 3 room party. If that wasn't OK for you, well next time don't accept ! i'm pretty sure we would have find someone in seconds to play instead of you. Everyone who were supposed to get paid as agreed that night got paid. K? Thanks Good bye! actually... I had to pay... and after I paid, I had to pay mandatory coat check.. |
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| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» BOBDYLAN a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 4:00pm |
| Coolness: 148160 | Originally Posted By OLIVIA
actually... I had to pay... and after I paid, I had to pay mandatory coat check.. yes, the deal with Rod, because I BOOKED Rod, not melo was exactly was i wrote up there in the thread, if you can read french. Mise À Jour » BOBDYLAN a écrit sur Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 4:02pm If you can't (sorry for you)
The deal i had with Rod (wich he tried to change at a point but i refused, but i deal with you guys, half price remember) the deal was rod play at katacombes for 45 mins rod get one guest for Limozine, HIS guest. ALSO olivia, I LET YOU IN FOR 0$ at katacombes, THAT WASENT PART OF THE DEAL. But i'm chill like that. obsviously, you seek drama. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MelooDie a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 4:04pm |
| Coolness: 248400 | well , ask Rod to who he gaves his guestlist instead, cuz the +1 was gone. Sorry if it wasn't you darling :) For that part, it's not my fault . Mandatory Coatcheck was perfect since no booze was found ,as respected with the venue. That's what we call professionnalism and respect for the owner of the place . There's party at 3810 and there's classy party with older crowd who can afford 3$. If that's not suiting you , well nobody forced you to come! To each his own. You were part of the only complainers by the way we had that night :) So i don,t mind your opinion, but you don't represent the majority . Mise À Jour » MelooDie a écrit sur Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 4:12pm As i read, people all had a discount instead, so I guess my boyfriend instead of giving 1 guest, he gave the group the 40$ discount. It's pretty fair. No one but you guyz had a deal that night, so i still don,t understand all that complaining ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rodroid a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 4:05pm |
 Coolness: 53485 | Originally Posted By MICKOS
exactement Rod, même que je pense que t'a click d'amis à eu un deal à la porte. Et honnêtement, notre deal au teléphonne c'était ''tu mix ton gros 45 mins et je te donne UNE guest pour limouzine'' donc j'vois pas pourquoi tu viens rabouetter ça sur le forum mon chum? tu veux nous faire passer pour des hobos? :P anyway no hate. j'pense que tu étais sarcastique. wai bah en fai mon comment en principe etai sarcastique mais une fois apres la marde a ete brasser jai remarquer un ti detail ki me tracasse.. jveu pas faire un deal pr vrai jaime jouer pis des fois jjoue gratis mais au debut on a eu un malentedu au tel javais mal compris et une fois au bar on sest arranger wtv mais ma copine a jamais eu un guest pr voir franki bones... elle venais ak 2 autres personnes et vs vs avez arrangez a la porte un prix pr les 3 che pas trop .... jveu dire quon tammenne plus de monde a ta soiree c deja contribuer je joue a ta soiree en echange dune entre a un party je viens jammenne du monde rammenne moi pas ca en me dissant que jai ammenner ma clik damis pr quils aient un discount a la porte...tavais besoin dmonde mec pis bah des fois faut faire des speciau pr en faire rentrer 2k pr vrai jmen criss tu c pas comment oubliez tt c histoire la ca mapprendra a poster sur ravewaveXD @bliss: jte connais toi? ... non.?.. ok... ta geule.... ..enuff said |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 4:06pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ufot a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 4:11pm |
 Coolness: 93075 | "Mais peut-etre que comme dit milton on devrait laisser tomber le flambeau?
Parce que Milton clark, fuck off, j'ai vraiment pas le feeling que j'ai laissé tombé le flambeau." First of all, I didn't point fingers, but on the subject, I have for some years, felt somewhat guilty of dropping the torch, so don't blame yourself. When I started throwing events with my friends more than a decade ago, I did so with a lot of hopes, naivety and love. We made mistakes, we learned, we grew. What I didn't do properly was spread the knowledge I gained from my years as a promoter. Instead, I chose to focus on my music with the blind faith that the younger kids would pick up where I left off. I would never venture as far as to say that no one did so successfully, obviously some did, but it became obvious to me as the years went on that the quality in general and organization just wasn't the same. I can't tell any of you what makes a successful party, nor can I tell you what direction you should venture to take, that's entirely up to you. What I can tell you is that if you throw a party with the intension of rocking the kids in this city and promoting a music you love and believe in, then you are doing it for all of the right reasons and it will be a success even if you lose money. If you throw a party to make money, I don't think you aren't doing it right and your party will probably have sucky vibes. It should never be about the money, EVER. Yet, on the subject of money, I think it is important to be REALISTIC, as in, REALLY REALISTIC. It's important to plot out best and worst case scenarios, budget accordingly, wrap your plan around that budget firmly, do the math, check the numbers, check the numbers a second time then have someone else check the numbers. Why is this step important if you aren't throwing it because of the money you ask? Because, if you budget yourself properly and formulate a plan around that budget, you will : a)probably not lose money. b)lose way less money than you would without a well balanced budget. This is not a certainty, but in my experience, it really-really helps. Furthermore, KNOW YOUR STRENGTHS, if you aren't good at budgeting, find a friend that is, ask for help. Don't know how to deal with permits or the city, ask a friend, ask for help. You need people to help when throwing events, people to count on, a network of people with different strengths for different tasks. Finally, respect your commitments to people, if you promise a price to a dj, pay it(personally I would pay even if there was a loss), if you cannot pay it cause the party made you completely broke, find some alternative that you can both agree upon as compensation. Don't ask or expect dj's or live acts to play for free or booze, it's unkind and disrespectful. Artists will never ask you to formally understand the time and money and dedication involved their honing their craft, but don't make it seem worthless. Make standard local rates part of your budget and work from there, let them know they have value when you book them and act accordingly when the event is done. Anyways... I could keep suggesting stuff, but this is just what I know, just how I feel. I'm not a promoter anymore and I know things in this city have changed like a lot, but I think the fundamentals are still the same. A scene is only as healthy as it's biggest/brightest contributers, I can't stress that enough. Rather than bitch about each other, it'd be nice to see you work together, because if you did, who knows, raves might become accountable again some day, and maybe promoting would make sense again, maybe people would get paid, maybe more kids would come... just my opinion... Ufot-we are all cogs in the wheel that is our reality |
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