Fuck-Off Cheap Promoters !!! (like Hexa-5)
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moebius a répondu le Thu 17 Feb, 2011 @ 9:43pm |
 Coolness: 70520 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED
"Do I really need to be spinning at a tiny ass party? Is it your birthday? are you my friend? Do I 'owe' you one? What kind of rep does a DJ who spins in front of 4 people get? Do you KNOW what it feels like to spin for 4 people? Feels like I need to get a real job, that's what, at best! At worst makes me feel like shit." (...) No, YOU didn't bring enough people. A DJ's job is to play good music, not to constantly pester all their friends and plead with people to come see them spin on a weeknight when it's fucking cold outside, they are sick, their mom just died and they lost their job. (...) Just a quick note about the weeknight parties as of late: if you need to struggle to get people there, stop!!! Stop associating what should be a cool way to relax with your need to pay rent and/or inability to wait 5 days till the next event. EXACTLY !! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Thu 17 Feb, 2011 @ 9:58pm |
 Coolness: 685565 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED
Just a quick note about the weeknight parties as of late: if you need to struggle to get people there, stop!!! Stop associating what should be a cool way to relax with your need to pay rent and/or inability to wait 5 days till the next event. seriously, it's not like "the scene" is lacking $20-for-five-local-psy-DJ parties every. single. fucking. weekend. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Thu 17 Feb, 2011 @ 10:06pm |
 Coolness: 106090 | Great post ALIENZED
So many good points |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rodroid a répondu le Thu 17 Feb, 2011 @ 10:10pm |
 Coolness: 53485 | Originally Posted By MICKOS
EPIC PROD' we pay our artists! cheerz! rlly? so u owe me money!!;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 a répondu le Thu 17 Feb, 2011 @ 10:12pm |
 Coolness: 159095 | Guy's got a point about promoters not having any money to pay the DJs though. I love how a promoter will bullshit you about that but then are able to rent a venue, a sound system, some fancy lighting systems and rent a shitload of decos for the room... yet can't shell out a meager 20$ to each of your DJs.
Not only that but promoters need to get their fucking priorities right. Let's say you're a promoter and you throw a party without : - a venue. Well then, you can pretty much forget about throwing the party. Ultimately, you haven't spent or wasted too much cash. - deco. Ok so the room feels a bit sterile and devoid but you can still rely on some trippy lighting effects and hell, the vibe and awesome music will compensate for this. You can save a bit of cash there. - lighting. That sucks ass but you can always get a friend high as fuck to flip the light switch on and off constantly to create some sort of strobing effect of have a few of them run around with glowsticks and shit. You might also save a bit of money on that as well. - staff. Well you can't throw a party without staff but you can certainly have a bunch of reliable friends helping you out for free. It's been done ad vitam eternam. - DJs. Ok, here's the kicker. WHAT'S A RAVE/PARTY WITHOUT DJs ? I call it "an evening with a bunch of friends in my living room running an iTunes playlist ". In lament's terms, DJs are your party's PRIMARY source of entertainment, DJs are the reason people purchased tickets to your party. Who's gonna pay $20 to watch trippy lights or deco in a big room in total silence ? Who's gonna shell out $20 to have a computer decide what music is being play with no human interaction and no mixing ? No one, that's who. The music is the lifeblood of your party, it's what sells your tickets and water/energy drinks/booze, packs your venue, gets stoned people way off in space and create an all-around awesome vibe. Seriously, what makes it so that a mega-party in a club is just as kickass, fun and enjoyable as a small party in someone's basement ? The fat beats, the low basslines, the awesome music and that wicked DJ you've heard so much about. So why are DJs still being ignored, downplayed and frowned upon by some promoters ? BOTTOM LINE IS THIS : promoters should seriously rearrange their fucking priorities or get a steel shovel upside the head. Am I saying DJs should be treated like royalty with champagne, limos, bitches and hos and a free bump of K at the door ? Hell no. But you should treat them with a bit more respect instead of spitting on them when they ask for remuneration because, quite frankly, no one paid to come to your party just to see your scrawny ass, your venue, deco, lighting, lasers and other visually pleasing stuff. They came for the DJs. And that should warrant more than " eeeeerm, I'm sorry I don't have enough cash to pay you ". I dream of a day where ALL THE DJS of one party decide to band together and request the promoter to SIGN CONTRACTS with remuneration details or else still agree and say they will play but secretly agree to call the promoter an hour before the party and say they can't make it and see how the promoter equally likes being treated like a bitch. Oh and don't throw parties if your sorry ass is broke from the get go, dumbass. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Thu 17 Feb, 2011 @ 10:46pm |
 Coolness: 129695 | I think its a disgrace
I would laugh at any promoter who offers me $20.00 or even asks to play for free (unless it worth it, like a benefit or a big event where you get mad exposure so its worth it just for publicity). & Who the hell makes djs PAY for drinks? Hellllloooooo O_o I've done gigs where I've made $1,000 to play TRIP HOP for 2 hours, why, because I have 15 years experience and while most people are at regular jobs making decent cash, I'm at home researching music for my next gig. If I wanted to make $20.00 a day I'd go work in a Mcdonalds flipping burgers Honestly if that guy pulled that shit with me I would have left with a turntable in hostage no problem :P DJS built the rave scene, not the promoters remember that. The promoters just make a profit off our hard work! And they often make a killing too, so my advice is quit playing for FREE, cause once you start doing that, you'll always get a raw deal. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob a répondu le Thu 17 Feb, 2011 @ 10:56pm |
 Coolness: 282430 | moebius rocks
besides that, I think we know where I stand on all of this. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD a répondu le Thu 17 Feb, 2011 @ 11:02pm |
 Coolness: 509535 | Originally Posted By MIKE_STINGER
If a "promoter" says one thing and then pays you less and acts sketchy, that's one thing. But talking about how much it costs you to go out and play....like it's already assumed that you inherently deserve to get to do this without having to pay any of your own money at some point? Of course it costs you money to do your shit and go out and play gigs! These incidental costs are small fry. not saying the costs are huge but I dunno, I feel like I do deserve to NOT spend money to play at this point... but I guess if it's not fun for me when I am not making at least a basic wage, then maybe I'm in it for the wrong reasons... I love the music and I love to share it, within reason... and of COURSE i've put my fair share of money into it already.. talkin' CDJs, music, throwin' parties, etc.. when I'm booked I really do feel like I should be earning more than I spend... like my 60$ figure... that did NOT include the money I spend on beatport before every gig.. :\ |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Virtual_Light a répondu le Thu 17 Feb, 2011 @ 11:15pm |
 Coolness: 94740 | I paid you 50$ 2 days ago .. did your wage suddenly go up ? haha
.. For the record, I speak on behalf of Katacombes, not Koi. I think doing weekly events can be a good thing. The ideal in this situation is to be able to have a solid night that pays DJs well every week and host new DJs, however, 2 nights per week with the same format (back to back), is too much for the size of the scene. Period. I do it for fun and I think we have something nice going on. I 100% agree, that in this bizness, it should not be coming from a place of depending on it financically. I try to keep the business relation between the DJs on the premise that, we split what's at the door + some beers. It's free before 10 PM (and a large percent come for free) At least for now that's how it's done. (With some exceptions) This is the first winter the "psytrance weekly event experiment" has experienced. Even the weekend parties (with big headliners etc) can experience terrible results due to shit weather and circumstance. (Which is why I won't organize parties in January, February or March anymore) SO .. maybe it sucks to be the DJ that feels cheesed coming out in -40 to play for 5 people, but it can be pretty damn sweet to have regular 100$ bookings every couple of odd weeks in the summer right ? |
| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» Mike_Stinger a répondu le Thu 17 Feb, 2011 @ 11:23pm |
 Coolness: 51215 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED
...like my 60$ figure... that did NOT include the money I spend on beatport before every gig.. :\ Guy...the world owes you money cos you paid to download some music, with the intent to play it out? Nobody's forcing you to be a DJ or whatever... You're on beatport, clicking on 'add to cart', thinking, ok - I'll buy this track - but I better be sufficiently compensated for it! Wackness... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Thu 17 Feb, 2011 @ 11:30pm |
| Coolness: 129695 | Of course you should be making money doing it.
You should be treated with respect, should be taken care off (drinks, etc...), you should have equipment that works when you get there, etc... Only in Montreal have I encountered this bullshit mentality of "Oh do it for the love man, do it for free, shut up and don't complain and make sure you bring rcas wires cause you might have to fix our equipment too" HOW ABOUT PROMOTERS DO IT FOR THE LOVE ONCE IN A WHILE THEN. Do shows for free just cause you love it, spend money on soundsystems, venues and big names, why, cause you love it man! Who cares about the bills as long as you're doin it for the love! I'm sure the sound company will understand cause its all about love man ;P Djing should be an ENJOYABLE experience, not a technical nightmare put on by promoters who are so cheap they don't even have the decency or respect to treat their artists right or live up to their engagements O_o I honestly think you guys have some serious issues in the psy trance scene Mise À Jour » Blisss a écrit sur Thu 17 Feb, 2011 @ 11:37pm Mike, back in the day it cost $14.99 with tax for 1 12". Thats 3 minutes of your set. I know that in the age of the internet the cost of music has decreased, but it still is a substantial cost that I personally factor into everything (as well as cab fares, new needles etc...) It does cost money to be a dj. Besides you gotta respect a dj who still chooses to PAY for his music instead of stealing it off the internet, not that the artists mind though, they just do it for the love right? ;) |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Virtual_Light a répondu le Thu 17 Feb, 2011 @ 11:40pm |
| Coolness: 94740 | Originally Posted By BLISSS
I honestly think you guys have some serious issues in the psy trance scene I think that's an unfair judgement .. I've put the most money into the hands of artists and DJs possible.. where otherwise there would be nothing. Plenty out of my own pockets too. |
| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD a répondu le Thu 17 Feb, 2011 @ 11:43pm |
| Coolness: 509535 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
seriously, it's not like "the scene" is lacking $20-for-five-local-psy-DJ parties every. single. fucking. weekend. the parties I throw cost me about 4000$, i need that 20$ at the door... if I get over like 210 people, I break even...but I bring the Djs, and I pay the DJs!, and sound and deco, non cheap high quali-T style. i too often feel like the exception instead of the rule tho :( Originally Posted By v.2-1
BOTTOM LINE IS THIS : Am I saying DJs should be treated like royalty with champagne, limos, bitches and hos and a free bump of K at the door ? Hell YES!! fixed, otherwise good post! Originally Posted By mike_stinger
Guy...the world owes you money cos you paid to download some music, with the intent to play it out? Nobody's forcing you to be a DJ or whatever... You're on beatport, clicking on 'add to cart', thinking, ok - I'll buy this track - but I better be sufficiently compensated for it! Wackness... oh, i don't buy music at all really, unless I play it out; gotta have those waves you know? i've always offered my crappy beats out for free though so i'm no hypocrite... i just believe in a different music/money relationship no one owes me anything but as much as I love to mix and love to share my tunes, I strongly believe that mixing at an 'event' requires a certain professionalism and responsibility that doesn't straight up flow with 'having fun'. There's pressure on a DJ to provide something 'special' and it is hard to be positive when the promoter's making cash while you are losing cash. Again, not targeting anyone with that... just talking hypothetically... I generally do get paid by the way so I'm not really complaining, just supporting a position. Originally Posted By virtual_light
I paid you 50$ 2 days ago .. did your wage suddenly go up ? haha I told you the same thing on msn, just in a lot shorter... but of course I'm open to counter offers and your night was actually pretty fun. katacombes is a chill place, very cool architecture. all in all, when it's 'work', everyone should expect to get paid when money IS involved. and there's always exceptions. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moebius a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 12:09am |
| Coolness: 70520 | Originally Posted By BLISSS
Only in Montreal have I encountered this bullshit mentality of "Oh do it for the love man, do it for free, shut up and don't complain and make sure you bring rcas wires cause you might have to fix our equipment too" HOW ABOUT PROMOTERS DO IT FOR THE LOVE ONCE IN A WHILE THEN. Do shows for free just cause you love it, spend money on soundsystems, venues and big names, why, cause you love it man! Who cares about the bills as long as you're doin it for the love! I'm sure the sound company will understand cause its all about love man ;P Djing should be an ENJOYABLE experience, not a technical nightmare put on by promoters who are so cheap they don't even have the decency or respect to treat their artists right or live up to their engagements O_o :) J'peux pas croire qu'il y ai un DJ a Montréal qui mix pour autre chose que par passion pour la musique vu les conditions d'un party a un autre !!! Petite anectdotes : Ça fait des années que j'organise avec NTK des soirées gratuites, on paye de notre poche le gas de la generatrice, les reparations de l'équipement, les flyers des fois, l'achat du kit de son, du groupe electrogene etc... Consequences, un promoteur m'a dit apres m'avoir booké a sa soiréee : "bin j'avais pas prévu de te payer, je croyais que tu jouais gratuit vu que tu organises des free-parties ... " |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 12:57am |
 Coolness: 145175 | Originally Posted By MOEBIUS
"bin j'avais pas prévu de te payer, je croyais que tu jouais gratuit vu que tu organises des free-parties ... " i think this the lamest thing i ever read, i hope you spat in his face. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 1:05am |
| Coolness: 509535 | ça il l'avait prévu par contre!
eeeeehhhh, shameless thread digging, got the back online check it and destroy it with words!! [ www.rave.ca ] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» IndigoChild a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 1:09am |
 Coolness: 54220 | Well guy i think we got a problem here between the get paid or not thing.
Why the hell we do parties for??? BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE FUN! Alors les promoteurs et les djs qui chialent a propos de largent du respect et des faveurs areter de faire des raves et faites des shows......(lancer vous dans le show buzziness si vous vouler de largent et aquerir du `respect`) Les raves c pour samuser, danser, rire, laisser sortir le fou! Vous ne parler que de dj et de promoteurs!!... Penser vous vraiment que les gens qui sont la pour samuser font vraiment la difference entre FRANKIE BONES pis un dj locaux???? Moi je pense pas..... Les raves sa sen vient comme: comment dire commercial... FUCK OFF Moi jaimerais bien mieux payer 5 piace pour avoir du fun avec un soundsystem louche de la deco boboche un dj qui ``débeat`` Que devoir voir la marde que sa cause sur le net (sa me fait vraiment de la peine en passant) de voir la scene ce diriger vers de lindividualisme du fan isme du flyers du glamour pis toute la marde au tour... Demander a un new raver pourquoi sa vie semblait plus passioner apres une soirer. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 1:18am |
 Coolness: 66675 | i sorta got the jist of what the OP wrote but i really can't read french that well, can someone link it up in a nutshell ? pretty interesting thread imo
what i got so far was he went out in the cold to play for 4 people, something about not getting paid ? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 1:21am |
| Coolness: 509535 | We all want to have fun but it's not always fun if we pay more than you do and have to stay sober, lol, this is just party goer to party goer... I don't think i'm better than ANYONE at any party... I just want our responsibilities and activities treated respectively
but in my mind I do aim for more of the 'show' aspect... we throw all night concerts in a way...xcept no live bands. When you get great sound and beautiful deco, you can create a whole little world that lasts a night... those experiences are the ones you remember. It's all about creating a perfect environment for a totally new experience and crafting every aspect of the night into making that experience complete and immersive. btw the second you don't personally know the guy throwing the event or you 'pay' to get in, it's commercial. but if you prefer listen to 'ok' music mixed poorly with no sound impact but a generally chill atmosphere... and pay virtually nothing, more power to you... that can be fun too! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Fri 18 Feb, 2011 @ 1:22am |
| Coolness: 685565 | In a nutshell - promoters should pay DJs properly and stick to their end of the deal.. having to practically fight for 20$ when 40 was agreed on.. |
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Fuck-Off Cheap Promoters !!! (like Hexa-5)
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