Israeli Soldiers (animals) Attack Canadian Humanitarian
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Sun 6 Jun, 2010 @ 12:39pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Sun 6 Jun, 2010 @ 12:41pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope a répondu le Sun 6 Jun, 2010 @ 1:00pm |
 Coolness: 201215 | Lets see what happens if someone delivers a ton of uncleared supplies to any of the Turkish occupied areas in the world for example: Turkish Cyprus (not recognized by nearly any countries in the world as a legitimate entity), or turkish controlled kurd territories. Turkey has no right to complain about Israel's shit until they clean their own hands. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV a répondu le Sun 6 Jun, 2010 @ 1:07pm |
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Highest Rated Comments * hsd628 4 months ago 12 I never heard any Jews complaining about the 3 million people who died in Somalia, or the 5 million people who died in Cambodia - both at the hands of genocidal maniacs. I love the Jewish people. But the Jewish "industry" has turned guilt over the holocaust into something that must be forced down the non-jewish populations' throats - and I'm sick of it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope a répondu le Sun 6 Jun, 2010 @ 2:07pm |
| Coolness: 201215 | Over a million dead Armenians at the hands of... oh.. shit..
TURKEY. Yeah lets have Turkey be the one to stand up against Israel. They sure aren't guilty of any occupations or mass murder /s |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV a répondu le Sun 6 Jun, 2010 @ 2:46pm |
| Coolness: 108795 | Originally Posted By DRTAKO
Over a million dead Armenians at the hands of... oh.. shit.. TURKEY. Yeah lets have Turkey be the one to stand up against Israel. They sure aren't guilty of any occupations or mass murder /s lol ...but not  |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil a répondu le Sun 6 Jun, 2010 @ 5:22pm |
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Highest Rated Comments * hsd628 4 months ago 12 I never heard any Jews complaining about the 3 million people who died in Somalia, or the 5 million people who died in Cambodia - both at the hands of genocidal maniacs. I love the Jewish people. But the Jewish "industry" has turned guilt over the holocaust into something that must be forced down the non-jewish populations' throats - and I'm sick of it. bah. I don't like this comment at all. it's thinkl-veiled anti-semitism. "I love the Jewish people. but..." "I'm not racist. but... " and where he says "the Jewish industry". what the fuck is that about?? yikes. European countries didn't help round up Cambodians for Pol Pot. The Canadian government didn't turn away Cambodian boat people and send them back to their deaths. but they certainly did do this to Jewish people. The Holocaust was just a culmination of a long and terrible history of anti-semitism in Europe and North America, and it's still within living memory for many. Anti-semitism was prevalent before, during, and after the Holocaust - only now, anti-semites have to disguise it a bit more. I do think it is important, though, for oppressed peoples to show solidarity with one another. They must be self-aware and not repeat the cycle by becoming the oppressor themselves. Mise À Jour » recoil a écrit sur Sun 6 Jun, 2010 @ 5:39pm oops - I didn't look when typing. I meant to type "thinly-veiled" |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Sun 6 Jun, 2010 @ 8:29pm |
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... They must be self-aware and not repeat the cycle by becoming the oppressor themselves. bingo! anyway, i admit i'm not following this ancient story too closely, 'cause any fight over fucking bits of land is bullshit. i know there's ALOT more to it then that, but when are ppl just gonna be happy with the space they have, the religion they stupidly stand by, and stop killing eachother over fucking bullshit? never! that's when - 'cause humans are animals that have accumulated a wealth of knowledge and technology which they use for selfish stupid fucking ends, and would rather run in circles .. good job, human race. the oppressed become the oppressors, the rebels become the government, and no one ever wins. ppl fight for their rights, sometimes eternally, and sometimes they get what they want and ask for more. it's so fucking unbalanced, like riches, and so .. unjust. why are certain ppl granted freedom, and others can't even speak up if they believe in something different? standing up to oppression = good being a hypocrite = not good retaliation = understandable being a bigger asshole than your enemies = weak all these terrible things that oppress ppl are just selfish acts of misplaced self-preservation. we're alive, and that's what matters, now help someone else stay alive instead of cracking skulls and wasting resources on what comes down to bickering over religion and religious territory - two of the stupidest human inventions ever. stupidest ever. holy land -- just gonna be a holy landfill some day anyway .. just more garbage. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope a répondu le Mon 7 Jun, 2010 @ 7:50am |
| Coolness: 201215 | I really hate posting in this thread at this point but the recent news of Iran offering to escort aid boats is a good example of how this is simply a ruse to bring about anti-israel sentiment.
It's amusing (in a fucking sad way) to observe the government of Turkey, who are guilty of much worse crimes than Israel is (occupation and mass-murder), or the government of Iran (who shoot and kill their own people who protest), criticizing the actions of Israel. It's all about Israel hate and not about helping the people of Gaza. People and governments use this as a DISTRACTION from their own problems. Iran would rather have people burning Israeli flags than standing up to their own corrupt government. That's what the fuckers who are funding palestinian terrorism do to THEIR OWN PEOPLE. Also they after the families of expats who criticize them, which is why all my iranian friends on facebook have to use fake names. You can all STFU now. Turkey can STFU too. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly a répondu le Mon 7 Jun, 2010 @ 8:06am |
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NOT! haha! ;) Mise À Jour » Holly_Golightly a écrit sur Mon 7 Jun, 2010 @ 8:13am ps: drtako nobody here i believe didn't legitimate the idea of an armenian genocide or the situation of other tyranny on the globe///
i think the facts you pointed are common knowledge for people who have political opinions here and i personally agree with you... remember me back in the days when western press was only talking about cambodia but avoided to talk about timor oriental because of personal interests. WE GET YOUR MESSAGE WHY THE HELL YOU TELL US TO STFU? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope a répondu le Mon 7 Jun, 2010 @ 8:17am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil a répondu le Mon 7 Jun, 2010 @ 8:38am |
| Coolness: 86495 | Originally Posted By DRTAKO
I really hate posting in this thread at this point but the recent news of Iran offering to escort aid boats is a good example of how this is simply a ruse to bring about anti-israel sentiment. It's amusing (in a fucking sad way) to observe the government of Turkey, who are guilty of much worse crimes than Israel is (occupation and mass-murder), or the government of Iran (who shoot and kill their own people who protest), criticizing the actions of Israel. It's all about Israel hate and not about helping the people of Gaza. People and governments use this as a DISTRACTION from their own problems. Iran would rather have people burning Israeli flags than standing up to their own corrupt government. That's what the fuckers who are funding palestinian terrorism do to THEIR OWN PEOPLE. Also they after the families of expats who criticize them, which is why all my iranian friends on facebook have to use fake names. You can all STFU now. Turkey can STFU too. bah. likewise, this is just anti-Palestinian rhetoric. Yes there maybe bad people who mainpulate this cause for their own interests. but you seem very reluctant to judge the Israeli government did you not read that account of the massacres of Sabra and Shatila that I posted? people want to indict Ariel Sharon for war crimes for his role in that massacre. [ www.indictsharon.net ] here's another synopsis of what took place: On 6 June 1982, the Israeli army invaded Lebanon in what it described as 'retaliation' for the attempted assassination of Israeli Ambassador Argov in London on 4 June. The invasion, soon dubbed "Operation Peace for Galilee," progressed rapidly. By 18 June 1982, Israel had surrounded the Palestine Liberation Organisation's (PLO) armed forces in the western part of the Lebanese capital. A cease-fire, mediated by United States Envoy Philip Habib, resulted in the PLO evacuation of Beirut on 1 September 1982. On 11 September 1982, Israeli Defence Minister Ariel Sharon, the architect of the invasion, announced that "2,000 terrorists" had remained inside the Palestinian refugee camps around Beirut. On Wednesday 15 September, the day after the assassination of Israeli-allied Phalangist militia leader and Lebanese President-elect Bashir Gemayel, the Israeli army occupied West Beirut, "encircling and sealing" the camps of Sabra and Shatila, which were inhabited by Lebanese and Palestinian civilians. By mid-day on 15 September 1982, the refugee camps were entirely surrounded by Israeli tanks and soldiers, who installed checkpoints at strategic locations and crossroads around the camps in order to monitor the entry or exit of any person. During the late afternoon and evening of that day, the camps were shelled. Around mid-day on Thursday 16 September 1982, a unit of approximately 150 Israeli-allied Phalangists entered the first camp. For the next 40 hours members of the Phalangist militia raped, killed, and injured a large number of unarmed civilians, mostly children, women and elderly people inside the encircled and sealed camps. The estimate of victims varies between 700 (the official Israeli figure) to 3,500. The victims and survivors of the massacres have never been deemed entitled to a formal investigation of the tragedy, since Israel's Kahan Commission did not have a judicial mandate and was not backed up by legal force. *** Introduction The case lodged in Belgium on 18 June 2001 by 23 survivors of the 1982 Sabra and Shatila massacres charges Ariel Sharon, former Israeli defense minister and Israel's current prime minister, as well as other Israelis and Lebanese with war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide related to the massacres committed between 16-18 September 1982 in two refugee camps in Beirut. The central argument of the case hinges upon Ariel Sharon's Command Responsibility as General of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF), which was in full control of Beirut when the massacres took place in the contiguous refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila. Although the killings of between 1000-2000 unarmed Lebanese and Palestinian civilians were carried out by Lebanese militia units affiliated directly or indirectly with the Israeli-backed Christian Lebanese Forces (the Phalange), the legal, military, and decision-making responsibility ultimately rests with Ariel Sharon under established and recognized principles of International Law. So I might argue that you are trying to distract people by pointing the finger at Iran and Turkey. Granted they have abad track record of human rights. What then of the Irish aid workers? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope a répondu le Mon 7 Jun, 2010 @ 8:39am |
| Coolness: 201215 | NO just showing the good company those protestors are in. Turkey and Iran deserve as much if not more pressure than Israel.
Of course, they are not held up to the same standard. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» A.Singleton a répondu le Mon 7 Jun, 2010 @ 4:27pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil a répondu le Mon 7 Jun, 2010 @ 6:10pm |
| Coolness: 86495 | Originally Posted By DRTAKO
NO just showing the good company those protestors are in. Turkey and Iran deserve as much if not more pressure than Israel. Of course, they are not held up to the same standard. are they not held to the same standard? I think a lot of people in North America and Israel would very much like to see Iran and it's people get the same treatment Iraq did sure it would be sanitized and presented in the media as an almost bloodless "regime change" - but doubtless it would result in the slaughter of tens of thousands of Iranian civilians, as happened in Iraq I'm surprised they haven't already invaded. In fact I can only surmise the reason they havent yet is because they feel it wouldnt succeed. They must feel they aren't quite ready right now to successfully invade and deal with the ensuing fallout. The top military brass must know what a disaster the Iraq and Afghan campaigns truly are - no competent commander would commit to opening up an Iranian front.. it would be doomed to failure. natually I don't like the Iranian regime and what they have done. but there are a lot of good people there who don't support him at all, so I hate it when people demonize Iranians the hypocisy of your argument is this... the Iranians had a democratically elected leader - Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh [ www.mohammadmossadegh.com ] The British wanted to control the oil fields, and Mossadegh realized that for Iran to be free, it would have to control it's own resources. In 1953, the British and the CIA put a stop to this. they covertly backed a coup and overthrew him, re-installing their own puppet, the Shaw, who was friendly to their imperial interests a lot of pro-Mossadeq supporters and intelligentsia were jailed, tortured and killed. [ www.nytimes.com ] # Britain, fearful of Iran's plans to nationalize its oil industry, came up with the idea for the coup in 1952 and pressed the United States to mount a joint operation to remove the prime minister. # The C.I.A. and S.I.S., the British intelligence service, handpicked Gen. Fazlollah Zahedi to succeed Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and covertly funneled $5 million to General Zahedi's regime two days after the coup prevailed. # Iranians working for the C.I.A. and posing as Communists harassed religious leaders and staged the bombing of one cleric's home in a campaign to turn the country's Islamic religious community against Mossadegh's government. # The shah's cowardice nearly killed the C.I.A. operation. Fearful of risking his throne, the Shah repeatedly refused to sign C.I.A.-written royal decrees to change the government. The agency arranged for the shah's twin sister, Princess Ashraf Pahlevi, and Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, the father of the Desert Storm commander, to act as intermediaries to try to keep him from wilting under pressure. He still fled the country just before the coup succeeded. here's some more reading on Savak - the secret police employed by the Shaw of Iran [ www.angelfire.com ] The Shah's brutal secret police force, Savak, formed under the guidance of CIA (the United States Central Intelligence Agency) in 1957 and personnel trained by Mossad (Israel's secret service), to directly control all facets of political life in Iran. Its main task was to suppress opposition to the Shah's government and keep the people's political and social knowledge as minimal as possible. Savak was notorious throughout Iran for its brutal methods. The interrogation office was established with no limit of using horrific torture tools and techniques to break the arrested dissenters to talk in a matter of hours. The censorship office was established to monitor journalists, literary figures and academics throughout the country. It took appropriate measures against those who fell out of the regime's line. Universities, labor unions and peasant organizations, amongst others, were all subjected to intense surveillance by the Savak agents and paid informants. The agency was also active abroad, especially in monitoring Iranian students who publicly opposed the Shah's government. Interrogation, torture and long term imprisonment by Savak for reading or possessing any forbidden books. The prohibited books were removed from the book-stores and libraries; even the Tozih-ol-Masael written by Ayatollah Rouhollah Khomeini was forbidden. Over the years, Savak became a law unto itself, having legal authority to arrest, detain, brutally interrogate and torture suspected people indefinitely. Savak operated its own prisons in Tehran, such as Qezel-Qalaeh and Evin facilities and many suspected places throughout the country as well. Many of those activities were carried out without any institutional checks. so this was the kind of tyranny that the CIA and British Petroleum visited on Iranians. of course I think the Iranian dictatorship is despicable - but let's not forget.. Iran had a democracy, and this was ruthlessly snuffed out and replaced with fascism why? because true democracy conflicts with US and British capitalist interests. The reason the US, Britain and Israel hate Ahmadinejad so much is not because he's a dictator - they've already made it clear that they prefer fascism in Iran - it's because he's a dictator who won't do their bidding. so I find their efforts to demonize Iran a bit disingenuous. ..... and you still haven't shared any thoughts on the Sabra and Shatila war crimes. I'd be genuinely interested to hear what you think. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Mon 7 Jun, 2010 @ 9:35pm |
 Coolness: 145190 | ^ don't forget the part where the USA sold arms to both the ayatola in iran and sadam in iraq, that was awesome, funding both sides of a conflict like that...thus sewing the seeds of future conflicts... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly a répondu le Tue 8 Jun, 2010 @ 10:41am |
| Coolness: 158725 | ^ or funding the mujaheddin to fight the soviet invaders and when they did the dirty work, the US lives like usual without the funding of school or funding for restructuring their society who had by now collapsed and left to factions fighting for the remains...
on sait tous ce qui est arrive par la suite... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly a répondu le Tue 8 Jun, 2010 @ 11:39am |
 Coolness: 76700 | Can we all stop arguing about this in this defensive manner finally and say that ISRAEL IS NO LONGER A VICTIM OF PERSECUTION, BUT RATHER A COUNTRY PLAYING OFF OF A VICTIM COMPLEX SHARED BY ALL JEWS OF THE BABY BOOMER GENERATION IN ORDER TO EXCUSE ITS EXPANSIONISTIC ECONOMIC GOALS? And then shut up if you support the stupid country or think I'm an anti-semite for it please? How much farther do they have to push this idea that Israel is acting in self-defense against a world of anti-semites? We're not that stupid. Stop apologizing to your Israel-supporting friends, stop feeling guilty for being against apartheid, stop excusing yourself because you're a gentile and you think maybe you're being insensitive.
The holocaust did not only victimize the jewish population of the world, it victimized EVERYONE. Ask any German (ie my grandparents) how it felt trying to live through WWII in Nazi-occupied Germany. The horror of having to be conscripted for a cause that disgusts and sickens you, and having no choice if you want your family to make it through that time in history. Ask anybody who's Turkish, Black, Gay, Lesbian, or Polish and had relatives in Germany at the time if only jews suffered during WWII. Ask the Japanese too, over here in Canada, who probably didn't think Hirohito joining up with Hitler was too cool. Everyone in that generation had to live through the holocaust, no matter where they were in the world, and it was not just the Jewish people who were victims. And it most especially was not Israel. So after all this time, the fact that Israel waves the victim card while committing atrocities almost daily against the people of Palestine and anyone who dares support them, and that they've gotten Carte Blanche from the United States over it entirely on the premise of defending their poor victim of a country, the most armed force in all of the middle east, is ridiculous. The whole world can see that Israel cares little where people are from, as long as they tow the line with their politics, which can always be excused by referring to the Holocaust as if the Jewish people were the only victims just because they were the most overtly targeted during that time. It may be true that the majority of the victims were Jewish, but by no means all. And as long as the lie goes on that nobody but the Jews suffered, and that all of Germany supported Nazi occupation, Israel will always get favor while any German who dares say that they felt victimized under that regime (take for instance my grandmother) will be treated as if they responsible for the holocaust. I've even been in arguments with hypnotized pro-Zionists who said after that point that Germany was because they elected Hitler. Yeah right "Germany" did. Because of course it was totally possible to vote for Hitler's political opponents, who were killed off methodically, and after all everyone had the internet back then to find out what was really going on when the Reichstagsgeburg burnt down. Because of course there was never any strange cult from Austria trying to poison culture with an appropriation of occult symbolism and a twisting of the truth that everyone fell for: the idea that Aryans were blond, blue-eyed, "ideal Germans". And after all this a country like Israel resorts to neo-fascist principles to "defend" its interests and we don't see it as the same beast. If it's too transparent to say they work along the same lines as the SS, perhaps it'd be better to compare the Shin Bet with Mussolini's MVSN. Because like any powerful country that needs to control dissent, they have been silencing their opponents any way they can. With the threat of violence or the act of it, with sanctions or with censorship. And it's at an international level. And to think, the older generations actually lived through WWII and they can't discern whether or not we risk once again supporting a global fascist political agenda. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» crimson a répondu le Tue 8 Jun, 2010 @ 11:43am |
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