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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Sat 25 Jul, 2009 @ 7:58pm |
 Coolness: 145360 | well everyone knows Djs are fagz anyway so whatever... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Sat 25 Jul, 2009 @ 7:58pm |
 Coolness: 685750 | 
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Sat 25 Jul, 2009 @ 8:55pm |
| Coolness: 145360 | is that an ardvark? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Sat 25 Jul, 2009 @ 8:58pm |
| Coolness: 685750 | anteater.. aardvarks have big rabbit-like ears and what looks like a pig snout
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» karma.millie a répondu le Sat 25 Jul, 2009 @ 9:39pm |
 Coolness: 38445 | Originally Posted By V2-1
Karma.Millie, you're an awesome girl but your comments sound a bit like an accurate representation of how the masses choose their DJs...so as much as you're probably going to hate me for this (and I give you every right to), here's what I think about all this Tiesto thing. Ok, valid point but... that's your opinion and, as much as we respect that, we have ours. Most of us are DJs here so, as you may have noticed, we are bashing his DJing skills, not the entirety of what and who he is. Why do you not care when you're at his show ? Is it because you're too high to care ? At 150$ a pop to go see one of his "lives", the guy better do something else than pretend to do what he's supposed to be doing or else a whole bunch of people are gonna feel ripped off. Maybe you won't but others are bound to. Now, as much as Bliss doesn't win any popularity contests on here, he does have a point. As for your last point, well, inviting a shitload of friends over, popping a Tiesto CD on my sound system and everyone dancing to it also makes for excellent ambiance (minus Tiesto being there, the 45 minutes lineup to the bathroom, the exorbitant Centre Bell parking fee and everyone a little less broke from the overpriced tickets). Again, Bliss does still spin records live without resorting to pre-recorded stuff. LOL ! Well, I'll give you that but... does that make him a better DJ ? It just makes him a better star but, like Britney, the amount of people you sleep with is not directly proportional to your talent. It just makes him a bigger whore. Again, that doesn't make Tiesto better. At least Green Day and other bands don't pretend to play instruments. It's one thing to lipsynch, it's another to pretend you're spinning records which, for crying out loud, should be SECOND NATURE for Tiesto. You'd expect him to spin records in a fucking coma, yet, he cheats on even that. I'm sorry but that's disappointing. Sorry but most of us here do not choose our DJs based on FAME, WEALTH and POPULARITY because, well, that doesn't say ANYTHING about said DJ's talent and integrity. Hey you do have very good points and thank you for being respectful ^-^. I like Tiesto's music, I do not care how famous he is, as well as I love music that some dj's in Montreal do and that I listen to over and over on my i-pod even more often than Tiesto. Yes I pay over a 100 bucks for his show, I do not pop any pills and indeed the lineup for the bathroom is super long -_-. But it's a huge party with great music and all the huge screen and stuff :p |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Sat 25 Jul, 2009 @ 9:49pm |
| Coolness: 685750 | so, listening to a mix CD with some large screens and flashy lights doesn't sound like a ripoff? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 a répondu le Sat 25 Jul, 2009 @ 10:52pm |
 Coolness: 159280 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
so, listening to a mix CD with some large screens and flashy lights doesn't sound like a ripoff? You just described a Winamp plugin running on my LCD 52 inch flatscreen connected to my computer so essentially... yes. Bwahahahahaha ! And Karma.Millie, you're such a sport, hats off to you. I honestly hope you like the show. :-) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Sat 25 Jul, 2009 @ 10:57pm |
| Coolness: 685750 | Originally Posted By V2-1
You just described a Winamp plugin running on my LCD 52 inch flatscreen connected to my computer so essentially... yes. alright, so you load that up, I'll suply the mix, and then I'll stand in your livingroom and play with some knobs on a mixer, and we charge 200$ a head.. We'll be millionaires by monday! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» karma.millie a répondu le Sat 25 Jul, 2009 @ 11:13pm |
| Coolness: 38445 | Originally Posted By V2-1
You just described a Winamp plugin running on my LCD 52 inch flatscreen connected to my computer so essentially... yes. Bwahahahahaha ! And Karma.Millie, you're such a sport, hats off to you. I honestly hope you like the show. :-) Heh thanks :p and at 14h the day after I have my Dalai Lama one...so I guess I'll just spend my day there haha |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos a répondu le Sun 26 Jul, 2009 @ 12:48am |
 Coolness: 93655 | Im with karma.millie on this one, and I dunno how most of you haven't understood the argument. If you dont like what tiesto plays, then dont even consider going. If you dont concerts, don't consider going. But if you like the epic/pop trance and the atmosphere/ambiance at rave massives and at the atmosphere/ambiance of concerts, you might enjoy the show that tiesto puts on. Not his set, not the atmosphere, not the people...nothing singularly, but you'll enjoy the experience. And thats what its about.
Screwhead, you like Metalica right? Why would you pay to see them live? Why not just stick in a cd, buy some sub-woolfers, invite some friends over, and but the cd on shuffle? Its the same thing...you could even use a 52 inch lcd and throw in a concert DVD... For that matter, why go see the Canadiens live if theyre on tv; you're watching the exact same thing? Why go see cirque du soleil at all? Why go see Russel Peters or Jerry Seinfeld? And yet people fork out money for all these things; in facts Im sure many people would be willing to spend a shit load of money to see Price lift the Stanley Cup in a habs uniform... This isnt a rave. Nor is it a club. This is a performance; its like essentially the closest EDM will get to a rock concert. I think because of the concert and the way everything has to be coreographed, Tiesto pretty much knows what hes going to spin, and in what order. he just has to mix it, and he already knows how to mix it. Its kind of what many djs do when theyre first starting out, or have a big night; map out their set ahead of time. I dont see the problem with it; good luck reading the crowd in a venue like this. Even if you had the skills to read the crowd in such an event, everyones come to hear 1 thing; epic + subdued vocal trance. Im wouldnt be a fan of listening to tiesto and not dancing; so i wouldnt go buy a seat seat. And standing/floor tickets are 110$, which is way too pricy for me, especially cuz Im not a fan of packed dance floors (not enuf room to dance - i like to stomp around, not jump up and down); and this is going to be packed. But if its your thing, I say go for it. But if a promotor could get DJ tiesto for a rave or warehouse party where we werent packed in like rates; Id be willing to pay for that... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Sun 26 Jul, 2009 @ 1:02am |
| Coolness: 685750 | lol, I think you're missing the whole point.. If I were to go to a concert, I'd go to see a band actually play their instruments and sing.. Tiesto just stands there and PRETENDS to mix, much like Milli Vanilli's singing. THAT's the point. That 100+ dollars is LITERALLY just to dance to a mix CD while someone on an elevated platrform gets richer and laughs at you while doing it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV a répondu le Sun 26 Jul, 2009 @ 1:05am |
 Coolness: 108965 | Well I'm in between Gamos and Screwhead here.
Instead of Metallica I'll go for Daft Punk 
I'd sure pay 50$ for the sound and lighting but at nearly 200$, I'll buy a DVD and perhaps, just perhaps, take some mild psychotropic substance and dance in my living room. Maybe buy a cheap colored lighting for some extra projection factor. Mise À Jour » DynV a écrit sur Sun 26 Jul, 2009 @ 1:13am I now want to go to [ en.wikipedia.org ] !!!  |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos a répondu le Sun 26 Jul, 2009 @ 3:32am |
| Coolness: 93655 | I Have to see Daft Punk. Its at the top of my list of things to see
Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
lol, I think you're missing the whole point.. If I were to go to a concert, I'd go to see a band actually play their instruments and sing.. Tiesto just stands there and PRETENDS to mix, much like Milli Vanilli's singing. THAT's the point. That 100+ dollars is LITERALLY just to dance to a mix CD while someone on an elevated platrform gets richer and laughs at you while doing it. You're making a point screwhead, not a counterpoint. And its wrong because Karma's point was that its not JUST ABOUT TIESTO, just like its not just about the rock band. Its about the special effects, the atmosphere, the euphoria of the crowd, the 15 000 people together. Its about the experience. And the experience is worth 100$ to enough people in Montreal...see, its not just about dancing to a mix cd. Its about dancing to mix cd with 15000 other people who love tiesto, with awesome lighting, an awesome sound experience, etc. And Now, to your point I say so what? Whose to say whats worth 100$ and what isnt? The answer in the capitalist society is the collective masses decide. Based on a marketing study, the promoter has concluded that profit is maximized by setting such prices, so thats wut its worth. With tiesto, he plays around with the knobs and special effects, and Im sure he scratches a little. If you look closely, theres 2 vinyls going, and at times you see him pressing the on and off button for the vinyls...which means he's beatmatching. The only difference between him in concert and what he would normally do in a club is that his sequence of songs has been prechosen. He's not just playing a mix cd. With a metalica concert you get the same shit they play on their cds, just in a different order. They probably do a few guitar solos and stuff. But essentially you get the exact same thing thats on their cd. I think your issue screwhead is that you know how difficult it is to make music live like metalica does, and how difficult it is to do wut tiesto does. And one obviously takes more hard work, and more talent than the other...and so even if you loved epic and vocal trance, you couldnt enjoy the tiesto event because you knew he was "cheating"...but to most people its not about that; its about how much fun and enjoyment they can derrive at the event; and knowing that tiesto isnt amazing DJ doesnt matter because they love the music they hear and the experience they get. Just out of curiosity... Heres a question for you. If there was a band called Batmanica that could play metalica songs perfectly live, how much would you pay to see them VS Metalica? And if you knew that ACDC sucked balls live, how much would you pay to see them VS if they could perfectly play their songs live? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Sun 26 Jul, 2009 @ 3:39am |
 Coolness: 129880 | I wasn't bashing Tiesto by the way, fame & money mean nothing to me so its not a jealousy thing either
From day one I've always djed because its what I love to do, nothing more, nothing less and even if I'm not rich (which I don't care about) or mega famous (which I couldn't care about either) I've been lucky enough to be able to pay my rent just playing music and great gigs for the past 12 years which is for me is more than enough to keep me happy I just don't believe a dj or any artist for that matter should fake it If Tiesto was faking it as it looks like he was, then he's a wanker for doing it, point final. he's not doing djs any service by doing it or gaining any respect from people who really understand whats going on. PS Screwhead, for the rock dj you missed the point, which djing is first and foremost WHAT you play, merely beatmatching any two songs together is not what gonna make you a good dj and rock your party. Which is why I used the example of the rock dj rocking the party through selecting the right tracks (could have been a funk or reggae dj if you want cause they don't mix either) vs the guy who beatmatches perfectly and puts everyone to sleep with what he plays. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos a répondu le Sun 26 Jul, 2009 @ 3:45am |
| Coolness: 93655 | I thought the whole point was to enjoy edm with others... theres clearly 15000 people in montreal that want to enjoy trance with Tiesto in a concert like setting. I fail to see the problem, or how that makes him a lesser DJ...He's not pretending to spontaneously choose his tracks. Hes making it obvious theyre pre-selected.
I dont pretend to know how good of a DJ tiesto is. I've never heard him live. But if his majik series is any indication, then I think he's pretty good. And as far as epic and pop trance goes, he produces tracks with the best of them. If people want to hear tiesto play his own tracks, whats wrong with him doing so? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Sun 26 Jul, 2009 @ 3:54am |
| Coolness: 129880 | You're totally right, my beef was more with the staged part of the show
As long as he rocks his crowd and people are enjoying it thats all that really matters at the end of the day. Here's a dj I respect and I'd gladly pay money to see, no fakin, just skills |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Sun 26 Jul, 2009 @ 7:03am |
| Coolness: 685750 | Originally Posted By BLISSS
PS Screwhead, for the rock dj you missed the point, which djing is first and foremost WHAT you play, merely beatmatching any two songs together is not what gonna make you a good dj and rock your party. Which is why I used the example of the rock dj rocking the party through selecting the right tracks (could have been a funk or reggae dj if you want cause they don't mix either) vs the guy who beatmatches perfectly and puts everyone to sleep with what he plays. As usual, you're ignoring anything anyone posts and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. I agree with you COMPLETELY on that point; track selection is the single most important thing for a DJ. When it comes to playing EDM, "beatmatching" is a joke, it's like 1/10th of what you need to learn and master.. Yet Mr.Superstar Tiesto doesn't even put in the effort to beatmatch properly. Comparing him to your example of a rock DJ, it's like going to a rock club and having a DJ in a booth pretend to chose tracks while just having a Top40 compilation on shuffle.. He's not doing ANYTHING but standing there and basking in the attention of 15000 people like he's some kind of superhuman. (and honestly, if I was getting payed 20,000$ a night to stand there and pretend I was mixing, I'd feel like a god, too. It's the perfect con; make a mix in ableton, go on tour, play said mix for 20000$ a pop while standing there for an hour, then when the tour is done release the mix at 20$ and clean up even more!) Is that being a DJ? Does playing with the bass knob on a chanel that doesn't have any music coming from it make him a DJ? Does using the Pioneer DJM phaser/flanger effect on a song make him a DJ? Anyone remember Milli Vanilli? One day their "live" vocals started skipping, and a year later they had no career left and had to actually give back their awards because they were faking their live shows, much like what Tiesto is doing, and the only reason people still think he's a good DJ and are willing to pay 100+ dollars to go see him is because the average tiesto-loving clubber thinks he's actually mixing/performing/doing SOMETHING.. He hasn't had a fuckup yet.. But on the day that his CD skips durring a mix, and both of his tunes stay in beat while 'skipping', the exact same fallout is going to happen. When you pay the money to see a concert or a performance, THAT's what you're paying for; the performance. Not the 15000 other people, not the lights, not the screens showing closeups of someone's face, the PERFORMANCE of music in some way or another.. Be it Joe Satriani shredding away on his guitar, Mixmaster Mike beatjuggling and cutting rock, or the Cirque Du Soleil doing their awesome acrobatics, what you're going to see is another person (or people, as the case may be) showing off their skills in a live environment where there is potential for mistakes, and where they can improvise and give you more (or different) than you'd expect (Like Primus launching into Crazy Train in the middle of Those Damned Blue Collar Tweekers instead of the song's usual breakdown, or Korn launching into Lodi Dodi in the middle of Ball Tongue).. But do you get any of that when you go see a tiesto concert? No, because it's not a performance. I don't remember which DJ it is that said in the Scratch documentary, but when a rapper is going to a DAT tape for his music, it's the same show every night, and it's like he's rhyming to a flat line.. but when it's a DJ that's making his beats and cutting/scratching live, it's like rhyming to a hearbeat.. Tiesto is the flat-line, no emotion or soul behind what he's doing; he's just standing there while a CD plays and can't play new/different tracks if he feels something different is needed based on his mood or the crowd's reaction.. It's just a flat line, not a heartbeat. And paying to see that is a fucking joke. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 a répondu le Sun 26 Jul, 2009 @ 9:28am |
| Coolness: 159280 | Again, I have to agree with Screwhead. Prerecorded sets does nothing to change or mold the experience or "vibe" of such an event. Sadly, Tiesto sort of exploits that because, well, it is clearly shown here, a lot of people who go there don't really care about the musical "flow" that is played. Fuck, he could be playing country and people would still shell out big bucks to go see him because, "OMG, it's Tiesto !".
According to what I'm reading here, I'm sure you could put anyone else that looks like Tiesto up there with ZERO spinning experience, make him smile, tweak some knobs on unplugged gear and dance and some of you wouldn't even friggin' notice. And why would you ? Because according to you, you're willing to pay 200$ to be in a sea of people sharing the same musical experience to some other random DJ as long as the trance is epic, you're blinded by lasers all night and you're in presence of a bunch of teenage girls yelling "OMG OMG OMG IT'S TIESTO !!!" who couldn't name more than 3 tracks Tiesto did if their lives depended on it. Fuck, why don't you just go to Festival De Jazz for the exact same experience ? There's thousands of people attending, performers playing and dancing, awesome lighting, an incredibly powerful sound system and, guess what, IT'S FREE. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Sun 26 Jul, 2009 @ 12:41pm |
 Coolness: 131755 | Originally Posted By KARMA.MILLIE
Here's what I think about all this Tiesto thing. 1. Tiesto does great music whatever he may do, spinning or not we don't care his music is great some ppl here work hard to beatmatch on every occasion without an auto-pitched / auto-cue / auto-fade and all that crap you got see justin timberlake , and pay 1,000,gazillion to see the bastard play at centre bell. the LEAST you expect is hearing his real voice from the mic to a pa. not the tape you could have been playing back home. same goes with tiesto, would your favorite painter make an "venissage" with prepainted postcards ? youd pay for that ? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Sun 26 Jul, 2009 @ 12:43pm |
| Coolness: 129880 | It would be funny if his prerecorded mix started skipping
Someone should stick a piece of crap on it when he's not looking, or accidentally drop it and step on it ;) I would pay at least $5 (which is a lot of money fuck) to see that |
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