Mc Cain Or Obama?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 1:54pm |
 Coolness: 93500 | Originally Posted By NO_COMPLY
Originally Posted By gamos
Perhaps if poor people are taxed more it will solve the problem. They might decide they'll need to get education and skills rather than try and get by on subsidies. where does this money come from? you think school is pricey here? heh... check the states. Rich people, you could argue, at least try to solve the problem. Buffet and Gates have donated an excess of $100B to Africa, while other rich people open inner city education foundations, abortion clinics, and give endowments to universities. Poor people on the other hand spend extra money on shit that helps nobody like new clothes, new cell phones and more big-macs. We're not talking about the philanthropy of (very few) have's here, this is about the state. The state is far from philanthropic. When rich people give money to schools, schools use the endowment to negate tution for poor people who want an education. Yale, Harvard, Berkley, MIT etc. all do this. For example, if combined, your parents make less than 75K$ per year, MIT will waive tuition. I dunno; I think on a percentage basis, rich people are more philanthopic than poor people. For every 100$ of earnings, do you really think a person earing 20k$ per year donates more than a person earning $20M per year. I doubt it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 1:54pm |
 Coolness: 84940 | now how is a poor person supposed to be philanthropic?!?
Ok so MIT waives tuition. This is assuming the poor person didnt have to drop out of high school to get a job to supplement his/her family's pitiful income. You have to stop assuming poor ppl chose to be poor. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 1:56pm |
| Coolness: 93500 | Originally Posted By NO_COMPLY
now how is a poor person supposed to be philanthropic?!? isnt that the point? Isnt the job of the state simply to try and maximize the long-term well being of the state? Well, if poor people aren't able to maximize their own long-term well being, then money should be given to those who can help them do so. Again, giving an extra 100$ to a poor person doesnt help anyone buy Macdonalds if he simply uses the money to take his family for Happy Meals. Giving 100$ to a rich person helps everyone if he simply uses the money to make an extra 50$ donation to his charitable foundation of choice |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:01pm |
| Coolness: 84940 | its not giving the poor an extra $100, its costing them $100 less. there is a difference. The job of the state is to ensure proper distribution of food and services. That is the fundamental point of a government (remember grade 10 history?) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» system_glitch a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:05pm |
 Coolness: 162505 | This is where my point of view differ.
Governments exist to justify their own existences. State's only mandate should be to protect those living within it's boundaries. Everything else is free game. IMO, State is a thing of the past. Boundaries should be trashed. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:06pm |
 Coolness: 294980 | Rich peeps donate money so they can have a tax cut!
kinda real though! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» system_glitch a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:09pm |
| Coolness: 162505 | Do they ?
Since when does it make sense to give 100$ only to have 15$ back? 'cuz that's what giving for a tax cut means ... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:13pm |
 Coolness: 88645 | Gamos, Dahlia, do either of you realise that in smoe states there is no minimum wage. That some people are forced to work for 60+ hours a week to just make ends meet? That in the states discrimintaion on gender, race and a whole bunch of otehr factors keep the poor poor working like slaves trapped in the system?
And taxing them more is gonna help them? While 11% is HUGE I would revise the plan by not giving to the poor and just keeping their taxation at the same level while dropping the 11% to say 6 or 7. That money can be reinvested in public services. I dont think that by taxing the poor even more would even remotely solve the problem. Mise À Jour » Strik_IX a écrit sur Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:14pm Dahlia... I helps many drop from one taxation bracket to another and actually make more net gain. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:16pm |
| Coolness: 84940 | taxing the poor = blood from a stone. Think about it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PonChalice a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:19pm |
 Coolness: 76260 | the only problem rich people are trying to solve, is how to stay rich.
dont kid yourselves. you cant be rich if no one is poor any "donation" only ever served as a smoke screen... Mise À Jour » PonChalice a écrit sur Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:21pm same goes for government. regardless of what happens, the main goal is to keep power |
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| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:24pm |
 Coolness: 339670 | Originally Posted By GAMOS
Originally Posted By v.2.0.minus.1
Oh ok, I see. So McCain will LOWER taxes for families with an income OVER 2.87$ mil ? Wow. What a fucking genius. Apparently, families on the brink of poverty is of no importance to McCain. So lower taxes for the few rich families and keep poor people overtaxed ( they are in greater numbers anyway, right ? ) PRESIDENCY FAIL I dont see why its "right" to raise taxes for those already paying the most tax, and lowering tax for the people who contribute the least to general tax revenues. If anything, taxes should be higher for the poor since they use more services provided with taxes, such as public schools and medicare. This is the basic model for the caste system. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:24pm |
| Coolness: 84940 | Ya I'd be interested to see how charitable rich ppl would be if they didn't receive tax credits/releif for charitable donations.. |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» system_glitch a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:26pm |
| Coolness: 162505 | Pat, I'm not the one who said that raising poor people's tax was the solution.
If you were to ask me, I'd say the solution is two-fold: Don't stay poor - and break free from the government. As far as poverty and discrimination goes ... well, I'm moving to the Philippines in two months, and I can tell you the USA is a fucking kindergarten playground when it comes to standards of living and human rights. Sure, business may get tax gains when you take brackets into accounts ... I've never had any charities tell me they didn't want my money, and I'd rather see 300$ straight in charities than 700$ in taxes, where more than half of it will get wasted and lost in some bureau-rat's pocket. I probably give more to charities and non-profits every year than most on this board have ever done. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:27pm |
| Coolness: 88645 | Depending on how rich you are and how close to the next tax bracket down you can actually "invest" in charitable oraganizations in order to lower your taxation rate thus resulting in both a tax return and lowered income tax which in term leads to more net gain, not sure if that's how it works that way in the states though. Mise À Jour » Strik_IX a écrit sur Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:30pm I do too (put money in charities), I've been giving 20$ a pay to Amnistie International for years now and sadly will have to end my contributions next month. I'm a sucker thought and havent even filled in my tax report, so I'm not getting anything out of it but that satisfaction of helping people less fortunate. |
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| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:32pm |
| Coolness: 339670 | Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
P.S: Even a 12,000$ Annual income puts you in the 70% of the planet's richest - so quit the whining. Oh, and for your information: Anyone who does a proper job setting up offshore accounts and corporations doesn't legally have to pay any taxes. They are not evading anything, nor are they entitled to give anything to the state. What a fucking crock. Because western countries earn more on average changes nothing. We don't set the bar as low as it possibly can be, if we did then we'd start at the bottom: slavery; then say that's the model we should follow. As for offshoring, it's illegal and damn well should stay illegal. If you live in Canada, earn all your income from Canadians, while enjoying all the benefits of being Canadian, you're going to pay Canadian taxes, just like everyone else. The only people who can get away with offshoring are the rich, which basically means the rich under your demented concept of taxation, should not have to pay anything at all, while reaping all the benefits. Utter. Bullshit. |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» system_glitch a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:40pm |
| Coolness: 162505 | Originally Posted By THE.NEOFORM
Originally Posted By strangedahlia
P.S: Even a 12,000$ Annual income puts you in the 70% of the planet's richest - so quit the whining. Oh, and for your information: Anyone who does a proper job setting up offshore accounts and corporations doesn't legally have to pay any taxes. They are not evading anything, nor are they entitled to give anything to the state. What a fucking crock. Because western countries earn more on average changes nothing. We don't set the bar as low as it possibly can be, if we did then we'd start at the bottom: slavery; then say that's the model we should follow. As for offshoring, it's illegal and damn well should stay illegal. If you live in Canada, earn all your income from Canadians, while enjoying all the benefits of being Canadian, you're going to pay Canadian taxes, just like everyone else. The only people who can get away with offshoring are the rich, which basically means the rich under your demented concept of taxation, should not have to pay anything at all, while reaping all the benefits. Utter. Bullshit. 3 words: Get a clue. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:42pm |
| Coolness: 294980 | Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
Do they ? Since when does it make sense to give 100$ only to have 15$ back? 'cuz that's what giving for a tax cut means ... Well yeah since you can go down one ladder of taxation that way! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Strik_IX a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:45pm |
| Coolness: 88645 | People, believe it or not, we're having intelligent conversation in a thread that Blisss of all people started.
Carry on. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:48pm |
 Coolness: 685595 | That's because his only post is the first one of the thread :P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» system_glitch a répondu le Tue 5 Aug, 2008 @ 2:50pm |
| Coolness: 162505 | in which he hasn't participated yet :) |
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