Elephant Table is great over-view of the early 80s UK underground... and the international companion that came later (Three Minute Symphony) is pretty great, too... might I also recommend the Pathological Compilation... which was compiled by Kevin Martin (aka The Bug) back in the late 80s... and includes selections by Godflesh, Coil, Terminal Cheesecake, Carcass and Napalm Death... it really provides a great snapshot of the period that Mutante is talking about.

Bill Laswell is another guy who's been a huge pusher of dub for decades... and it's hard to overstate his influence... he plays bass on Herbie Hancock's Rockit, and according to most reports he's the guy responsible for getting Grandmixer DST and Hancock together... his work with Painkiller is incredible (the ambient dub versions of Execution Ground are phenomenal), and he continues to work on various projects... one could get seriously lost in his discography.

that one's a monster for sure... but a lot of credit should also be given to Adrian Sherwood and the ON-U Sound crew... especially when one considers the amount of remix work he did for pioneering electronic and industrial acts.

btw - have you heard any of the Perennial Divide material that Dangers did pre-MBM? I stumbled across the two 12" singles for dirt cheap - but had to part with a bit more coin when I finally found the full LP... very interesting stuff.

I wouldn't throw that much credit to ATR on that front... especially when bands as diverse as Public Enemy and KMFDM were sampling Slayer before they came along...

and Mutante... I think Swans and Killing Joke probably rate a mention in your list, too... but I can't find much fault in the names you've suggested.... perhaps Controlled Bleeding - although their sound was a bit unpredictable (the record they did as Joined At The Head is killer!)...

and Gamos... exactly... it seems a shame that the dub element has been virtually phased out of what is getting called dubstep lately... reminds me a bit of the late 90's when jungle began to stagnate along the twin paths of tech-step and jump-up... the two styles found some degree of commercial success and inspired formulaic carbon copies of their respective hits... the chopped up patterns and intricate coding that had gone on in the earlier part of the decade slipped so far by to the sidelines that when Current Value's "In A Far Future" came out I felt like I'd been blindsided simply because it wasn't a straight two-step beat all the way through.

I don't think there's ever been a thread where that message didn't fit in.

it's true!!

this thread reminds me about how my friend Tracey used to refer to another friend's girlfriend as 'nozzle'...

when I asked her why... she said it was because 'nozzle' had sucked the shit out of him.

il y a aussi:
Oral (mtl - Akufen a fait ses débuts avec eux)
Alien8 (mtl - variés, mais ils ont sortis des disques par Tim Hecker, Thomas Jirku, David Kristian dans le passé)...

baby spinach, sliced apples, crushed walnuts (or pecans) + home-made vinaigrette (apple cider vinegar, olive oil, honey, cayenne pepper)

not particularly fancy - but it's pretty damn good... might be interesting with arugula, which could combine nicely with the cayenne in the dressing.

black people didn't steal your bike... it was a crew of psytrance peeps in blackface... they were bragging about how their dreads fooled you.

I don't care what it has to do with tacos... there are certain words you just don't use on this board... and you done dropped one of 'em Flo...

isn't that kind of like a dude saying "any penis can slide into a vagina, but nothing surpasses mine since it was specifically created and designed for that purpose." ??



hmmm... all this talk about psychedelic visions is giving me the urge to make insanity tacos and drink a bunch of absinthe while watching Altered States again...

wait... so, forgive my poor translation skills, am I to understand that every single culture on the face of the planet - throughout eternity - failed to find true spiritual enlightenment until psytrance solved all the riddles and handed the keys to unlock the mysteries of universe to a bunch of people high on drugs and patchouli fumes?

jump to the 3:30 mark... and check out Genesis P-Orridge's comments on a psychedelic dance music - I think you'll find that his comments are precisely about creating a music that generates trance states... just about any rhythmic dance music that is meant to produce some kind of collective euphoria will have a similar effect... hell, you don't even need rhythm... check out the sorts of thing that someone like Francisco Lopez is involved with (shows where the audience is blindfolded to further focus their mind on their sense of hearing - as well as promoting a state of awake-dreaming)...

hell.. you don't even really need sound - just fire up a turntable with one of Brion Gysin's DreamMachines on it and get your trance going that way... or look into some of the more difficult paths (ie: Sundance ceremony, Kavandi bearing... prolonged meditation)....

there are a lot of different ways to hit trance states... I seriously pity those who have only managed to find one - and believe that their one single route to a mystical state is the only real one.

P-edophiles
L-ove
U-nderage
R-avers

picture of plur...

y'all know the whole PLUR thing was pretty much just a means to convince the authorities that all these peaceful raver kids had adopted some kind of lifestyle - instead of coming to the conclusion that people had taken drugs that made them all get along while they were high.

they can all ingest Pee Bear's mutant anal ticks...

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well... now that I've actually listened to some of it... it's safe to say that's EXACTLY what I meant...

that first track makes me think of Moments in Love by Art of Noise - with its balls cut off.

sucks... so many friends are going to be there...


+++ the Portishead curated All Tomorrow's Parties is happening in New Jersey that same weekend... double fucked... really wanted to get catch some of that, too.... Manorexia, Swans, Shellac, Public Enemy... ULTRAMAGNETIC MCs???... plus the ISR 20th...

can't believe I left my passport expire.

in English, however... douche is a vaginal rinse...

even when I wasn't into the stuff moby was churning out, I could never fully hate on the guy (although I do feel that he owes a lot to Alan Wilder's recoil project... he did guest vocals on the Bloodline album, which featured a cut called Electro-blues for Bukka White - and is pretty much the prototype for the blues-infused tracks that got him mainstream success with Play)... That said, back in the day, moby was very approachable online... and he's made some pretty ballsy career moves and some amazing music (the Demons/Horses 12" he did as VoodooChild is one of the best acid records of alltime)... and the 7" on Subpop where he covers Mission of Burma and Devo is brilliant.

Anyhow... there's a lot of people who are only out there to cash in, but I've always had the impression - even when I loathed what he was doing - that he's always stuck to his guns musically.

as for 90% of the people liking deadmau5... fuck no... I doubt 90% of the people like breathing... hell, there's probably more than 10% of the population that don't enjoy hetero sex... and I don't think there's any music that's more popular than breeding.

Anyhow... always nice to hear about a cunt getting punched out.. especially if said cunt took the first swing.

it's even funnier when conversations arise with other DJs... not so often anymore - 'cause in the filesharing era of instant gratification people don't need records anymore... but... back in the day when I found sought after shit during my digs... things like this happened...

crappy DJ: you spend a lot of time in record shops... ever see a copy of French Kiss by L'il Louis?
me: pulled one of the dollar bins yesterday...
crappy DJ: WHAT?!?!? I'll give you $20 for it...
me: no.
crappy DJ: Why not? You probably won't even play it!!!
me: of course I won't.
crappy DJ: Then SELL IT TO ME???
me: no.
crappy DJ: WHY NOT?
me: because I won't play it... and you will... and then I might have to hear it... and I like not having to hear it.
crappy DJ: You're an ASSHOLE!!


(pretty much verbatim)

it's a shame Mr. Oizo hadn't released that Bruce Willis Is Dead track yet... that would have been hilarious...

...as would have been dropping the 12" mix of Willis' own Respect Yourself...

(I actually have a sealed copy of an album by Bruce Willis - it's in the "purchased to prevent it from ever being played" section of the archives)

fuck all y'all...

SLEEP might not be the originators... but they're the kings...
...and I'm not sure if anyone will ever top this for full-on stoner-sludge-epicness....

oh yeah... and MUTANTE is 100% spot on about SWANS... precursors to so much... brilliant, brilliant catalog... all the early albums are pretty much essential listening...
I remember listening to their FILTH album when I was working in the back-room of a record shop - and a metalhead friend came in and start asking who was ripping off Godflesh. He was stunned to find out that what was playing predated Godflesh's PURE album by almost an entire decade (btw - PURE is amazing, too).

100% correct... I remember a friend of mine, who was coming down with a cold, went on a binge of eating raw garlic (due to its many health benefits)... after having a hot bath, the whole apartment would have a garlic smell....

good thing I'm not a vampire...

I do agree with the anti-antiperspirant comments in this thread, though... it seems unnatural to block your pores from the natural process of sweating. I can get with masking the odor and killing bacteria - but clogging up the surface of your skin with (possible) toxins, to prevent your body from sweating out other toxins...

just seems like a bad idea.

personally... I think it's all about Low On Ice...


and... not totally electronic, but... fuuuuuuckkkkkk.... Slowdive are incredible.

some artists you might find interesting - or maybe you won't... but here's a sampling of tunes...

The Tuss... one of those projects Aphex released on Rephlex... and again most people didn't know it was Richard D. James until it was out of print...


Seefeel... Spangle is an all-time classic - appears on the second Artificial Intelligence comp that Warp released... the series that pretty much gave IDM its name.


Emotional Joystick... fantastic shit from Wisconsin that seems to have slipped under the radar... now doing rather different work as part of All Tiny Creatures... this cut is on the first 12" he released on Zod... the whole record is fucking amazing.


HTRK... new release that I've been digging the hell out of... chill, but a bit dark and brooding...


oh yeah... this Harmonizer release is forthcoming, but there's an audio sample at the bottom of the page...
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I know Skrillex helped out with programming on this album, but if he's responsible for the shit that goes on in the chorus on this cut... then I'll cut him some slack...

I'm still not sure if this is mindblowingly retarded (which is bad) - or retardly mindblowing (which is great)... but is both retarded and mindblowing (which is confusing, and fun)...

nah... just regular trance... not enough fluo-bullshit on 'em for them to be psy.

Sweet cunt of Satan, those shoes are made of trance!

you don't build a hoard by selling records... check discogs - Epitaph repressed it last year... the puke splatter ones I've got are going for about 4x the price of the repress.

nah... we're all hard, pipe-hitting gangsters in real-life, too... walkin' with a swagger, beatin' each other up with baseball bats, bibles, torahs, qurans and retractable batons...

look out your window... can't you see it's chaos... don't you see the writing on the wall?

behind a keyboard everybody is hard like fake tits... but in the real world everybody is lookin' at their feet, being careful not to tread on the other guys toes.

it's internet drama... and it's almost exclusively on the internet... like the kids that used to talk shit at recess, but couldn't stick around after school to settle a score because they had to rush home to check out Thundercats or Inspector Gadget or some such shit.

I don't have beef with any of you... but look at this thread objectively and you'll realize it comes across like some kind of passive-aggressive bromantic lover's spat...

agreed... Quoth has been slipping into sets quite a bit lately...
actually, a fair bit of his stuff has been - as evidenced by the three tracks by RDJames in this radio mix I did for CKUW in Winnipeg a couple of months back...
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the Dillinger Escape Plan version of Come To Daddy is classic... being in the right place at the right time meant that I've got two copies of the limited 12"... 'cause I roll like that...

some fave cuts...
Ventolin (Deep Gong mix by Luke Vibert)
pretty much all of the Caustic Window material
Analog Bubblebath #3
Analord #4 (Crying in Your Face & Halibut Acid are great!)

not as good as...

perhaps you've just been *really* lucky....

hell... fuck... no...

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if you don't like this... then you probably don't like Faygo either...

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I remember the good ol' days...

DJs got money, bread, drinks and lap dances*...

where did it all go wrong?


*I'm told that female DJs were often provided with complimentary moustache rides in lieu of lap dances...

there ain't nothin' free... words of wisdom from Keva Rosenberg.

sweet line-up... caught BoomBapCats when they opened for the BrownBagAllStars a while back... should be a solid show, and once again... the variety you guys are showcasing on the webcasts is pretty impressive.