The Great K Debate...
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PoiSoNeD_CaNdY replied on Mon Nov 21, 2005 @ 11:02am |
 Coolness: 91785 | Originally posted by DEMEZRIEL...
Hmm yes I guess there could be potential addiction with K, but not to the degree of coke or downers. I agree with the rest of your post, but some people can get really addicted to K. Like you said, its a feeling of floating beyond the physical world, and for people who want to escape from something, K might be just a lil bit too good. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» the_rider replied on Mon Nov 21, 2005 @ 2:07pm |
 Coolness: 42340 | Originally posted by POISONED CANDY...
Originally posted by Demezriel...
Hmm yes I guess there could be potential addiction with K, but not to the degree of coke or downers. I agree with the rest of your post, but some people can get really addicted to K. Like you said, its a feeling of floating beyond the physical world, and for people who want to escape from something, K might be just a lil bit too good. Can't say things in a nicer way than you on that. That's why I must not touch that stuff anymore.... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» caro replied on Mon Nov 21, 2005 @ 7:10pm |
 Coolness: 152035 | k makes escape possible
then you want the constant escape you long to no longer feel its the perfect drug, your emotionless and the high only lasts so long. its extremely dangerous. dan said it perfectly. sometimes k is just to good. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Nov 22, 2005 @ 12:51am |
 Coolness: 92360 | Originally posted by DEMEZRIEL...
Hmm yes I guess there could be potential addiction with K, but not to the degree of coke or downers. K is a downer as well as a psychedelic. This is the case with all dissasociatives, K being a dissasociative. People are always messing up their categories. A psychedlic will fit into either the downer or upper category. Every drug is an upper or downer. Dissasociatives are one particular category of downer psychedelics. Think of it like a tree structure. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Spinner replied on Tue Nov 22, 2005 @ 8:24am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» daFTWin replied on Tue Nov 22, 2005 @ 1:18pm |
 Coolness: 276530 | Originally posted by MOONDANCER...
Originally posted by Demezriel...
Hmm yes I guess there could be potential addiction with K, but not to the degree of coke or downers. K is a downer as well as a psychedelic. This is the case with all dissasociatives, K being a dissasociative. People are always messing up their categories. A psychedlic will fit into either the downer or upper category. Every drug is an upper or downer. Dissasociatives are one particular category of downer psychedelics. Think of it like a tree structure. People CAN get addicted to K, ive seen it happen more than once, to the degree of coke, or heroin, or meth. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» HumanBoing replied on Tue Nov 22, 2005 @ 3:00pm |
 Coolness: 40065 | Ok I underestimated the addictive power of K apparently, personally I've never felt the urge to use it more than now and then but I guess at the low doses repeated usage is quite tempting. But I don't agree that all drugs are either downers or uppers. What are shrooms? Downers? I can dance all night on em, they keep me up, so should they be uppers? When I take them at home they just make me wanna lie on my bed and close my eyes so no. A dissasociative is very different from a downer, ok both make you feel your body less but opiates will make you feel all warm and fuzzy whereas a dissasociative can send you to alien dimensions full of perceived entities and really bizarre landscapes. Not the same thing, not even close. Even at low doses a dissasociative experiences is very different from a downer, I usually have huge fits of laughter and find that movement is rather amusing, it doesn't send me hugging the floor for several hours. Another example, is gravel (motion sickness pills) an upper or downer? No it's a deliriant. Same with datura. Is DMT an upper or downer? Common. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Nov 22, 2005 @ 11:54pm |
| Coolness: 92360 | Look man, first of all I don't think there is a such category as delirient but if you must know, a 'delirient' falls into the category of downers. Of course gravol is a downer. Dayquil would be an upper and Nyquil will be a downer. Does it have to make you sleepy to be a downer? nope. A dissasociative experience is a pretty fuckign good example of a downer, thanks. I doubt shrooms are uppers but I'm not sure. If I could make a retards guess I'd shrooms is probably a downer and lsd an upper. Laughter doesn't signify an upper either.. personally I can't think of any opiates that are uppers.. morphine, heroine, opium and valium are all downers. The reason that these things aren't even close to eachother is veryu simple.. think of all the drugs in the world, and here we are placing them intop just two categories.. that is why we have subcategories. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed Nov 23, 2005 @ 12:01am |
| Coolness: 92360 | Stimulants
The "upper" drugs, like cocaine and speed, increase physical energy and mental excitement by suddenly speeding up heart rate and blood pressure. Driving under the influence of this artificial energy makes it difficult to sit still, concentrate on the road, or make rational judgments about traffic. These surges of energy interfere with the calm state of mind needed to be a good driver. And when the high is gone, the user crashes with feelings of extreme fatigue and depression. Sedatives The "downer" drugs, like barbiturates and tranquilizers, numb the central nervous system to such a degree that muscles relax, tension and anxiety are masked, and the user becomes very drowsy. Reflexes and coordination necessary for driving deteriorate. Often combined with alcohol, downers are deadly because breathing slows down so much that the brain becomes starved for oxygen. K is a tranquilizer... so it is a downer and I think hallucinogens moslty fall into the downer category as well. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» HumanBoing replied on Wed Nov 23, 2005 @ 12:40am |
| Coolness: 40065 | Look K is not a tranquilizer, its an anethesiant. Delirants do exist just go look up Datura or Gravol on erowid and see how they are classified, and if you've felt their effect they are NOT downers, or uppers trust me (quite horrible horrible effects btw). And how about DMT or Salvia ? Upper , downer? Nope, just psychedelic. Anyway peace man. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed Nov 23, 2005 @ 1:20am |
| Coolness: 92360 | K is a fuckign downer and a tranquilizer. I already explained to you, there are many different classifications fro drugs. An tranquilizer is an aneasthetic. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» HumanBoing replied on Wed Nov 23, 2005 @ 6:43am |
| Coolness: 40065 | Chill man. Look up your definitions, tranquilizers and anesthetics are not the same thing. Also you haven't answered my question (salvia, DMT, 5-Meo-DMT, datura, Peyote ... upper ? downer? ).
Ketamine does not depress the respitory system nor does it slow the heart, it's numbing effects are due from it's dissasociative effects which seperate mind and body. You can't just dump all the psychoactives into two categories, even with subcategories. Some drugs are not downers and not uppers; psychedelics notably can cause you to feel full of energy or make you want to lie down and mellow or neither all in the same trip. Not that any of this is relevant to the discussion of the pros/cons of K... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» daFTWin replied on Wed Nov 23, 2005 @ 10:55am |
| Coolness: 276530 | omg, the most known danger with k is that it slows down the respitory system... Fact and experience are two very different things. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed Nov 23, 2005 @ 2:23pm |
| Coolness: 92360 | Originally posted by DEMEZRIEL...
Chill man. Look up your definitions, tranquilizers and anesthetics are not the same thing. no they are not the same thing, but as I've told you many times there are different classification systems for drugs therefor K is both a tranquilizer and an anesthetic. K is cat tranquilizer, they use it to lessen their pain and put them to sleep. The effects are similar(though much less intense) than PCP (a.k.a horse tranquilizer) which is also an aneasthetic, a tranquilizer and a downer(among other things). |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed Nov 23, 2005 @ 2:30pm |
| Coolness: 92360 | Originally posted by DEMEZRIEL...
Also you haven't answered my question (salvia, DMT, 5-Meo-DMT, datura, Peyote ... upper ? downer? ). I wish I knew. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Wed Nov 23, 2005 @ 2:32pm |
 Coolness: 85030 | what i dont get is, how/why does a horse tranq make ppl violent? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed Nov 23, 2005 @ 2:38pm |
| Coolness: 92360 | No_Comply: It makes people violent because if you take enough you don't know who you are or what you're doing, and you usually don't care. You also can't feel fuck all, so people tend to hurt themselves in amazement or unknowingly. It also makes your muscle mass increase temporarily(apparently) and I believe it cause people do seem much stronger and heavier on pcp when they do get in violent situations but this may also be due to the fact that it makes you feel invinsible. Some guy tried to mug my short lil friend on pcp and my friend said "I am god", punched him in the face, and walked away.
Demezriel: I found the answer to your question about halluciogens. They are downers. Short term effects: rapid pulse, dilated pupils, shallow rapid breathing, arousal, excitation, increased body temperature, distortions of perception (altered colors, shapes, sizes, distances, senses), exhilaration, anxiety, panic, sense of power, violent behavior, brain damage, convulsions, mood swings, hallucinations, memory gaps, dizziness, sleeplessness, constant yawning, mouth numbness, stomach discomfort, sweating, shivering, a feeling of separating from your body, weakness, clumsiness, decreased awareness of touch and pain, and sparse, incoherent speech, spontaneous abortion, congenital abnormalities. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed Nov 23, 2005 @ 2:53pm |
| Coolness: 92360 | This is what may happen when you go to the bathroom to take a piss on PCP:
-You try to un-zip your pants... it's not working.. why you wonder? it just makes no sense, no sense at all -You get so annoyed with the zipper that makes no sense at all, that you consider going to ask a friend to hep out. "Wait", you think "is that socially acceptable?" -you twittle some more, you think "aww, FUCK IT", take out your pocket knife and cut your pants open -"wait a minute, can I walk outside like this? Is that socially acceptable? yeah.. I think so, it must be" -you wake up in the morning, in your tattered pants, and wonder to yourself, why are my pants ripped? You tape up your pants, thinking I musta got layed last night.. can't remember.. but must have got layed. Next piss comes along and you un-zip your pants.. it works. once I was on PCP and I accidentally pissed in front of bunch of people outside an idj.. I didn't remember doign it at all. I do remember Meaghan escorting em to the bathroom and havign to pull down my pants for me though. Didn't even think tehre wa anythign weird abotu till the next morning.. aww pcp, the joys.. i miss pcp. That was terrible though, I got super pissed when people brought it up till now. Now I think it's funny. It took a few years to be funny. I also have these cigarette scars from when I took it as a 15 year old. I was wondring why I couldn't feel the heat of the cigarette and no matter how close I brought it it wouldn't feel warm so I burnt it btu nothing seemed to be happening.. so I ended up making a hole 2 cm's deep into my arm. Never felt a thing. Nada. There's no crater left now, but it stayed white and slimy for a disgustingly long time. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Wed Nov 23, 2005 @ 6:33pm |
| Coolness: 85030 | heartwarming stories in time for the holidays |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» HumanBoing replied on Thu Nov 24, 2005 @ 4:48pm |
| Coolness: 40065 | Originally posted by DAFTWIN...
omg, the most known danger with k is that it slows down the respitory system... Fact and experience are two very different things. It doesn't, look it up. That's why it's still used on human babies and the elderly. |
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