16-Year Old Ontario Girl Choked For Not Wearing Hijab
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Tue Dec 11, 2007 @ 8:52am |
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CanWest News Service Tuesday, December 11, 2007 TORONTO -- A 16-year-old Mississauga girl is in critical condition after being choked by her father, police say. The pair apparently got into a dispute over her refusal to wear the hijab, the headscarf worn by some Muslim women. Peel Regional Police arrested a 57-year-old man yesterday after receiving a 911 call from a suburban Mississauga home from a man saying he had killed his daughter. When police and paramedics arrived at the house they found the girl lying on the floor without any vital signs. Const. J.P. Valade, a spokesman for Peel police, would not give any details about what transpired inside the large, two-storey home in a well-to-do subdivision. The girl was rushed to hospital, where she was listed in critical condition with life-threatening injuries. © The Vancouver Province 2007 Update » nothingnopenope wrote on Tue Dec 11, 2007 @ 8:56am Clash Over Religious Garb May Be Behind Attack On Teen
Tuesday December 11, 2007 [ CityNews.ca ] Staff She wanted to be more Western. He wanted her to be more traditional. And that clash of cultures may have been what led a father to allegedly choke his daughter and leave her in very grave condition in hospital on Monday. Police are saying very little about what happened in a home on normally quiet Longhorn Trail in the Eglinton and Hurontario area of Mississauga. But the friends of 16-year-old Aqsa Parvez claim she was desperately trying to pull away from the strict traditions of her devout Muslim family. And they contend that led to the attack that's left her near death. The sad story began just before 8am when a man called police to report he'd murdered his daughter. Authorities found the girl clinging to life and rushed her to hospital. She'd reportedly been choked into unconsciousness. Her father, identified as 57-year-old cab driver Muhammad Parvez, was taken into custody at the scene. Students at Applewood Heights Secondary School, which the victim attended, tell of a troubled family life, with the teen refusing to wear the traditional head covering hijab, and preferring more Western-style clothing. They say she'd moved out and was staying with a friend, and may have gone back to get her things when the confrontation began. "She's kind of rebellious a bit," confirms classmate Heather Bottecher. "She's supposed to wear the hijab. But she doesn't usually wear it. And she usually wears short sleeves when you're supposed to wear long sleeves. And she wears, like, low cut shirts and stuff like that." "We noticed a drastic change in her appearance," another friend named Shianne Phillips recalls. "Like, she used to dress religiously. Now she's dressing in, like, more causal clothing, like other people." There are reports the teen would wear the special garb to school then change when she got there to fool her father. Parvez makes his first court appearance on the attempted murder allegation on Tuesday, but that charge could be upgraded if his daughter dies. Relatives are expected to make the difficult choice about donating her organs if that terrible tragedy happens. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Captain.Obvious replied on Tue Dec 11, 2007 @ 10:57am |
 Coolness: 32345 | All women should be forced to cover themselves up. God does not want to see them. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Tue Dec 11, 2007 @ 11:12am |
 Coolness: 295095 | but we do |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Captain.Obvious replied on Tue Dec 11, 2007 @ 11:39am |
| Coolness: 32345 | God will smite you for that. But not now. In order to give you a vague idea of when, I'll say sometime soon..! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Tue Dec 11, 2007 @ 2:17pm |
| Coolness: 201345 | She died of her injuries. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PoiSoNeD_CaNdY replied on Tue Dec 11, 2007 @ 7:13pm |
 Coolness: 91810 | The issue here is not about religion. Its about kids and their autonomy (or lack thereof) from their parents, and how parents react when their kids do something that is contrary to their parents' values.
Obviously, the father acted in a stupid way. But the kind of media salivation over this issue is a little bit inappropriate when frankly there are cases everyday of similar shit when kids come back to their parents with tattoos/piercings/alternative dress that the parents disapprove of. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Captain.Obvious replied on Tue Dec 11, 2007 @ 10:38pm |
| Coolness: 32345 | This is about religion. |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Wed Dec 12, 2007 @ 12:59pm |
 Coolness: 153125 | kids come back to their parents with tattoos/piercings/alternative dress that the parents disapprove of.
i never seen a parent kill his daughter because she got tatooed.... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Wed Dec 12, 2007 @ 2:59pm |
| Coolness: 201345 | When is the last time we had a parent murdering their child over a tatoo or piercing in Canada? Can someone point out a story?
The issue here is not about religion.
Except in this case, where it is about religion (or at least culture). |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PoiSoNeD_CaNdY replied on Wed Dec 12, 2007 @ 4:19pm |
| Coolness: 91810 | Dunno if its ever resulted in death, but theres no doubt plenty of cases involving parents using violence against their kids, verbally abusing them or kicking them out of their house because of conflicts over dress and appearance. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Captain.Obvious replied on Wed Dec 12, 2007 @ 4:23pm |
| Coolness: 32345 | [ newsweek.washingtonpost.com ]
Richard Dawkins
With or without [religion] you’d have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Wed Dec 12, 2007 @ 5:29pm |
| Coolness: 153125 | Originally Posted By POISONED_CANDY
Dunno if its ever resulted in death, but theres no doubt plenty of cases involving parents using violence against their kids, verbally abusing them or kicking them out of their house because of conflicts over dress and appearance. whats your point? its about killing, ive seen parents using violence for no reason at all, your point proves nothing. ?? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Wed Dec 12, 2007 @ 6:01pm |
| Coolness: 201345 | Dunno if its ever resulted in death, but theres no doubt plenty of cases involving parents using violence against their kids, verbally abusing them or kicking them out of their house because of conflicts over dress and appearance.
In this case, not only did it result in death, but the young women tried her best to make her own decisions and even was in the process of moving out of her house when this happened (at least according to news sources). It is a tragedy. Update » nothingnopenope wrote on Wed Dec 12, 2007 @ 6:23pm Who killed Aqsa Pervez?
By Tarek Fatah and Farzana Hassan The National Post The tragic death of a Mississauga, Ont. teenage girl — allegedly at the hands of her own traditionally minded Muslim father — has sent shock waves across the world. Canadians are justified in raising concerns as to whether this is a sign of the rise of Islamic fundamentalism in their own backyard. Aqsa Parvez, a sprightly 16-year old, beloved of her friends and peers at Applewood Heights Secondary School, was only trying to be herself, was only wishing for a normal adolescence amid Canada’s rich cultural mosaic. The father has now been charged with murder, and his son with obstruction, while a young life has been snuffed out — likely in the name of honour and Islam Radical Muslim men consider themselves ultimately responsible for the conduct of the womenfolk. This outlook is rooted in a medieval ethos that treats women as nonpersons, unable to decide for themselves what they should wear, where they must go and what they must accomplish in life. If their conduct is seen as contravening this austere religious outlook, they are invariably subjected to abuse. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ----- If convicted, Aqsa’s father must be awarded the strictest punishment available ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ----- The hijab in particular has become a thorny issue among Muslim families. It has been elevated as a sort of “sixth pillar of Islam” among militant sects. Young teenage girls are often lectured over the virtues of the hijab by their family members. Once they hit puberty, compliance is deemed a non-negotiable religious requirement. Yet none of this is actually mandated by the Koran. The Koran, while speaking generally of modesty in dress and demeanor, falls short of specifying the details of that modesty. Scripture also makes allowances for non-compliance of religious edicts if the environment is not conducive to their observance. The Koran exhorts compassion upon parents, caretakers and guardians of young girls. Yet some families instead exhibit a strict conformity to doctrine and dogma, which in turn leads to violence, bigotry and intolerance of alternative understandings of faith. There is much discussion in Canadian society about the religious freedoms of those who choose to wear the hijab. We hear relatively little about the oppression of young girls who make the opposite choice. Seldom is their oppression from within their own community, or even their own family, cast as a human rights issue. If convicted, Aqsa’s father and brother must be awarded the strictest penalty available under the law. As for the imams and clergy of Canada’s mosques, who constantly berate young women for not wearing the hijab or snub them for “violating Islam,” they need to reflect on the consequences of their sermons. Consider, as an example, the Montreal mosque that recently posted on its Web site a warning to the effect that if young girls took off their hijab, they could end up getting raped and having “illegitimate children.” Other proferred risks included “Stresses, insecurity and suspicion in the minds of husbands” and “instigating young people to deviate towards the path of lust.” As if the threat of rape and the fear of illegitimate children were not enough, these pre-teen girls were told that if they took off their hijab, they would cease to be Muslims: “By removing your hijab, you have destroyed your faith. Islam means submission to Allah in all our actions.” Little wonder then, that Canadian girls walk away from sports tournaments rather than remove their hijabs. Muslims need to stand up to this sort of emotional and religious blackmail by imams who spread the competing agendas of Saudi Arabia and Iran into Canada. Young Aqsa Pervez’s death cannot be reversed. But in her memory, we can at least challenge those whose message leads to rage and madness. ------------ --------- ---- -- Tarek Fatah is author of Chasing a Mirage: The Tragic Illusion of an Islamic State, to be published by Wiley & Sons in March, 2008. Farzana Hassan is author of Islam, Women, and the Challenges of Today. Both are members of the Muslim Canadian Congress. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Wed Dec 12, 2007 @ 10:13pm |
 Coolness: 145320 | but these stories miss the point entirely. the people in france who speaking out the most in favour of allowing hijabs to be worn in schools in france a few years ago were the people themselves who were wearing them the girls, it wasn't their fathers or brothers but themselves, |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Wed Dec 12, 2007 @ 11:08pm |
| Coolness: 201345 | I'm not sure if you are still responding to me, but I can't see your posts (on ignore list)..
Just letting you know so you don't have to waste all your time. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 8:30am |
| Coolness: 153125 | he said that people who wants hijabs are the girls themselves, wich doesnt make sense because in this case the girl DIDNT wanted to wear it and got killed, so his post is completely useless.
***but these stories miss the point entirely. the people in france who speaking out the most in favour of allowing hijabs to be worn in schools in france a few years ago were the people themselves who were wearing them the girls, it wasn't their fathers or brothers but themselves,*** we are talking about a CANADIAN girl who DIDNT WANT to wear it, and he responds about people from france who wants to ... ??? brw basdini, if your so about peace and everyoen being muslim, why is your avatar a FUCKING BOMB SUIT PLANE? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Captain.Obvious replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 9:14am |
| Coolness: 32345 | Bombs are a tool of peace. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 9:52am |
 Coolness: 92385 | You people make me sick. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 1:42pm |
 Coolness: 509680 | It's fucked that she died but don't pretend to know the whole story, there's no way that she was killed BECAUSE she refused to wear her highjab. Like the students mentioned, she had a troubled family life, proof is she was trying to move out, but fuck man some 16 year old girls are fucking erratic and provocative and say and do shit that does make you want to kill them.
Before I go on I want to say that I don't think it's ok she was choked but I gotta play the Devil's advocate anyway. When my sis was 16, she would throw tantrems and become violent and she'd do and say shit I would NEVER have said or done literally out of fear of my own life, not because my parents are violent, quite the opposite, but because you don't disrespect the people who gave you life, you don't throw away centuries of belief just because your friends don't agree and because you think you're an adult at 16. I can all but garantee that that chick had some friends who fed her what she wanted to hear, supporting her in her rebellion against her father, and her father, coming from a much different generation and life, exploded like humans will and took action I'm sure he regrets. But let me state in no uncertain terms that death is NOT a tragedy, it's a reality, everyone dies sooner or later... who is to say that 16 is too young or that she didn't deserve it, maybe she did! When it comes to survival of the fittest, you have to be smart enough to NOT piss someone off to the extent that they would hurt you, and this is her dad we are talking about, she HAD to know somewhat what to expect when she did what she did. This isn't murder, this was a struggle between two family members who obviously had NO control over themselves. The girl was fucking stupid for thinking she was immune to the probable violence and the father was fucking stupid for vastly overreacting and throwing his own life in the garbage. It must be mentioned that the father turned himself in, and I give him credit for that, NO one will hear him out, and he probably doesn't deserve any better, but this is a great example of the world meddling in the private affairs of a family that should likely have killed itself off long ago. This is not a tragedy, i do not feel bad (because I don't know them personally) and frankly, none of this is ANY of our business. Don't be a fucking moron and get yourself choked, and don't choke someone for something as fucking stupid as a hat. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 2:02pm |
| Coolness: 201345 | This isn't murder
Except for the part where a father murdered his own daughter. |
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16-Year Old Ontario Girl Choked For Not Wearing Hijab
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