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16-Year Old Ontario Girl Choked For Not Wearing Hijab
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly replied on Sat Dec 15, 2007 @ 4:36am
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Yeah man you've really got abuse figured out, don't you AlienZed. That is the most retarded pile of crap I've read on here in a long time and that's saying a lot because [ rave.ca ] is BUILT ON RETARDED CRAP.

You think that someone deserves to be killed just because they in some way set off a loose cannon? You think that it has to do with adolescent disobedience when the issue goes beyond religion and is clearly one of domestic abuse going too far? It's not an ambiguous issue. Fathers who kill their daughters do it because of an internalized power struggle between their superego and ego. He can't deal with the lack of power over her so he exerts it in a violent manner, starting with a threat and letting it escalate to murder. Even if legally it is "manslaughter" she is dead, he is responsible, and the motive was, plain and simple, POWER. Look at every level of this psychological puzzle and it's all about power. A religious power wants power over women and changes the scripture, in a typically antidisestablishmentarian way, because having the state support that power structure leads to more power. Men in this culture habituate themselves to being the ones in control, to having that power over women. They enforce laws that are a direct result of the religio-military structure, then pass them down to the satellite churches in other countries, where people develop a fear of a power on high and a sense of empowerment from their religious role, then they get used to being the ones in power in the household, motivated by fear of God or Allah. The daughter grows up in a society that does not recognize this almighty power and the resulting clash with her father drives him to insanity and extremes that NO SANE FATHER WOULD COMMIT. Why would you give birth to a child only to kill her 16 years later? You'd have to be mad. And I doubt that the motive could ever be as simple as misbehaving. She opposed his power and was struck down by him as a result. This is the natural outcome of power-madness.

Did the point come across or do I need to emphasize it again? POWER is the problem. Typical, familiar, masculine might-is-right power.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Sat Dec 15, 2007 @ 10:23am
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yeah, religion, money. ect, its all about power, and wanting that power, this is what the human really craves, religion is just a way for a few people to control the masses, like the Banks( not the rbc or bnc or desjardins, im talking about Bnaks with a big B, like federal reserve bank, banque du canada, ect ) who produces the money, to control the masses again, ect...

so religion Is a problem, because it narrows people liberty of act, thought and learning. like money does, like the media does, wich are the biggest 3 problem of the society right now.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Sat Dec 15, 2007 @ 3:30pm
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Originally Posted By SCOTTYP

AlienZed: Religious zeal isn't genetic, it's taught.


not 100% of the time, religion is passed on through the generations of a single family, so even if it's not genetic, it's going to follow the same genes a lot of the time
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PoiSoNeD_CaNdY replied on Sun Dec 16, 2007 @ 2:56am
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Originally Posted By LUKEPERIL FATHERS WHO KILL THEIR DAUGHTERS DO IT BECAUSE OF AN INTERNALIZED POWER STRUGGLE BETWEEN THEIR SUPEREGO AND EGO. HE CAN'T DEAL WITH THE LACK OF POWER OVER HER SO HE EXERTS IT IN A VIOLENT MANNER, STARTING WITH A THREAT AND LETTING IT ESCALATE TO MURDER.


You might wanna re-take Psych 101 because your use of the terms ego and superego makes absolutely no sense.

Superego = the moral restrictions, rules, and demands internalized from society and from the parents
Ego = the part of the psyche that must try to fulfill the needs of the id according to the rules imposed by the superego

I do think your right about this being an issue of control, but what father does not want to control their teenage daughters in some way? Whether its to encourage certain religious practices, make sure they are going to school, or discourage behaviour that is perceived as harmful or immoral, all teenagers are faced with demands by their parents that arise out of issues of control.

What makes this case unusual is the exetreme manner in which the father responded to his daughter's rebellion.
16-Year Old Ontario Girl Choked For Not Wearing Hijab
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