16-Year Old Ontario Girl Choked For Not Wearing Hijab
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Captain.Obvious replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 2:26pm |
 Coolness: 32370 | Murder isn't murder when god wants it done. Then it's a mircle, like zombie jesus coming back to life and flying up into the clouds to live with his father who happens to also be himself. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 3:43pm |
 Coolness: 178790 | I think the father had problems. The daughter too, obviously.
I mean, it's normal to have arguments with your children, but you're not supposed to beat them up or kill them! Way to fuck up a family... -__- My parents didn't kill me when I told them I had a different philosophy... We just had a discussion, but it was mature. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PoiSoNeD_CaNdY replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 4:34pm |
 Coolness: 91835 | Originally Posted By SCOTTYP
THIS ISN'T MURDER EXCEPT FOR THE PART WHERE A FATHER MURDERED HIS OWN DAUGHTER. Actually, from the information you've posted, it would most likely be considered manslaughter, nor murder. Murder requires the intention to kill, which isn't implied in this case - it seems more like a physical assualt which resulted in death. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Daf replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 4:47pm |
 Coolness: 185500 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED IT'S FUCKED THAT SHE DIED BUT DON'T PRETEND TO KNOW THE WHOLE STORY, THERE'S NO WAY THAT SHE WAS KILLED BECAUSE SHE REFUSED TO WEAR HER HIGHJAB. LIKE THE STUDENTS MENTIONED, SHE HAD A TROUBLED FAMILY LIFE, PROOF IS SHE WAS TRYING TO MOVE OUT, BUT FUCK MAN SOME 16 YEAR OLD GIRLS ARE FUCKING ERRATIC AND PROVOCATIVE AND SAY AND DO SHIT THAT DOES MAKE YOU WANT TO KILL THEM.
hm je dois dire que jsuis pas vraiment d'accord avec ton post en entier, mais la quote c'est celui qui ma le plus accrocher. Je veux dire je comprend ce que tu veux dire en disant que certaine fille de 16 sont assez "folle" (résumons ça ainsi ;)) pour vouloir desfois les tués. Mais premièrement, on appele pas ça des filles de 16 ans, mais des adolescent. Je connais des gars, et biensure, des filles qui ont agis bien pire que ta soeur. (je tiens a souligné que je dis pas que tous les ados sont ainsi, mais tout le monde sait très bien ou a entendu des histoire que pendant la crise d'adolescence certain enfant sont pas facile, même pénible!) Deuxièment, si t'es pas "pret"/"patient" assez pour affronter cette période avec ton jeune, t'avais juste à pas n'avoir! C'est ben cute des bébés, mais si t'a pas quoi être parent, arrange toi pour que la plote avec qui tu fourre tombe pas enceinte ou pour être assez mature pour te dire qui serait mieux pas de n'avoir. Aussi, tu dis "that does make you want to kill them"... je sais pas trop quoi dire là dessus. ça m'arrive d'être frustrer moi aussi (jtune femme difficile quand même :P) mais jamais au point de souhaiter tuer un être vivant. Et personnellement j'arrive jamais à comprendre les gens qui désire cela. Oui moi aussi en joke j'ai du dire, "je tuerais pour une bière", ou "y m'énarve tellement que je souhaitrais qu'il est jamais existé". Mais de réellement souhaité la mort à quelqu'un?... en tout cas, moi j'ai vraiment pas pitié pour ce gars et le voir dans rue j'y cracherais surement dessus pour avoir éteint un être qu'il "aimait" (quel con!) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 5:47pm |
 Coolness: 201370 | I think the father had problems. The daughter too, obviously.
The daughter sounds like a normal 16-year old girl to me! She sounds like every 16 year old I have known and sounds like me when I was 16 (except my parents weren't very religious when I was 16). Rebelling against your parents as a teenager does not warrant DEATH. How could any rational person possibly defend this? Update » nothingnopenope wrote on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 5:49pm Dan: Ok he slaughtered his own daughter then. Does that make you happier? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 6:01pm |
 Coolness: 509705 | I dunno, I don't think anyone is ever 'ready' to be a parent, it's one thing to think you are, and prepare as much as possible, but in the end we are all humans with our faults and our eventual inability to deal directly with something.
Who here hasn't had some problems with their parents? And who here hasn't dealt directly with violence in some form during their adolescent years, surely if your parents don't beat you and you act like a fool, someone else will beat you up. Sooner or later, you're going to be put in your place physically. You can't go around disrespecting people forever with no consequences and I personally see no reason why violence shouldn't be the consequence, we're not trees, we're living breathing, bruisable beings with instinctual urges to hurt and to be hurt. And common, who's gonna think 15 years in advance "Oh maybe I won't be able to deal with my kid properly, I better not have sex". People don't think one fucking day in advance muchless 12-19 years... in a perfect world maybe, but then perfection would mean something else prolly... when I said "but fuck man some 16 year old girls are fucking erratic and provocative and say and do shit that does make you want to kill them." I meant the following ---> teenagers, whatever, people in general act like retards, make others mad on purpose. Family members KNOW what makes each other mad, and when they are angry, they will pin-point the EXACT thing that makes the other person as angry as possible. When we are pissed we aim to hurt, we get dirty, we get cheap, we insult as bad as we can. Fuck the hijab thing, let's say making peanut butter sandwhiches makes your boyfriend FUCKING mad, well you won't do it, but then if he cheats on you, you're going to sit there with bread, a knife, and peanut butter, making tons of fucking sandwhiches and rub it all over his pillows and his favorite guitar. Basically you do exactly what he said NOT to do, and he's going to freak for sure. So that 16 year old KNEW that not wearing her hijab and acting like an american infidel was going to piss her dad off, there's no way she could have known what was going to happen, her father could simply have slapped her, OR just simply walked out of the room but she KNEW that he was going to pissed and I bet you she RUBBED IT IN HIS FACE cause she was moving out. Now when you get someone as angry as possible there's only a few things that will happen: violence, irreparable sadness, sheer mental breakdown... and during that time you do things you never thought you would do, but you do them cause you're not in a normal state, you react the way someone provoked you to react and if violence is how you express your anger, that's whats going to happen. NOW, shit like that happens all the time all over the world, there's gotta be a LEAST violent reaction and a MOST violent reaction because there's NO way everyone is going to react the same... so for sure on one side, someone's going to go cry in a corner, and on the other you have a kid bring a gun to school and kill 492 other people. Do i think what the dad did was right? No way, but it's not up to me, it's not up to us at all, for us to judge him is completely hypocritical because how do we know that his daughter didn't flush his father's father's father watch down the toilet and then yell "suck my dick"! I'd choke the bitch too if that was the case... so all I'm saying is that we don't know what the situation was, it's none of our business, is it good? no, is the father going to jail? probably, he deserves it, but that doesn't mean the girl didn't deserve what she got, or that hijab causes violence, it could have been one too many peanut butter sandwhiches and then people would blame allergy to peanuts or some other bullshit. I gotta say though that remember, I am not representing either side, but I feel the need to play the devil's advocate, that means to fight for the other side even if I don't agree with what I'm saying, I am exposing the possible doubt that everyone should accept before making their judgements. Think for yourself, don't start hating the father with the hijab addiction because everyone else is, we DON'T know the whole story, so we shouldn't get involved (too late :P) anyway, that was way too long and hopefully killed this thread due to boredom. and again, I am on the girls' side if anything cause her dad should not have taken such serious action, both of them should have exerted MUCH better self control. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Captain.Obvious replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 6:38pm |
| Coolness: 32370 | Originally Posted By POISONED_CANDY
Originally Posted By ScottyP
This isn't murder Except for the part where a father murdered his own daughter. Actually, from the information you've posted, it would most likely be considered manslaughter, nor murder. Murder requires the intention to kill, which isn't implied in this case - it seems more like a physical assualt which resulted in death. did you bother reading the news? [ network.nationalpost.com ] “She got threatened by her father and her brother,” said Dominiquia Holmes-Thompson, who had known Aqsa since they both started high school together. “He said that if she leaves, he would kill her.”
Must be easy lecturing others without informing yourself. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 7:29pm |
| Coolness: 201370 | Anyway the evidence is out there, no point arguing with people who want to defend a murder motivated by religious issues. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Anarkoid replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 7:43pm |
 Coolness: 192820 | Originally Posted By AERIAL_RAVER
I think the father had problems. The daughter too, obviously. I mean, it's normal to have arguments with your children, but you're not supposed to beat them up or kill them! Way to fuck up a family... -__- My parents didn't kill me when I told them I had a different philosophy... We just had a discussion, but it was mature. Well your parents are good people and put family before religion (as it should be) but sadly not everyone is as balanced emotionally as that. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» puresexmegs replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 8:14pm |
 Coolness: 48875 | Last time i checked when i get in a disppute with my parents i dont attack at them im on the defencive actually. giving out arguements to support my facts
as im sure because of the topic at hand it was more of a defensive based on her residentual location Though its funny how mike you seem to give off as if your implying if your parents tell you to jump off a bridge because your under 18 you should do it. or an arranged marriege. at the end of the day there is freedoms of choice and the freedom of religion. I would really like to see you sit there and say to all of us its a dog eat dog world if your parents got raped and mutilated. A little far fetched but the fact that you put death loosely yes people die. yes we all die at some point [ or frozen like walt disney] but who said because of that, that being unhuman and merciless My dads an abusive alcoholic but that dosnt mean that i put up with his shit till i was 18. I left I think this is also a case by case basis and shouldnt generalize the muslim community because i know quite a few muslim families where they arent so strict. They are more with the western world but at the same time theres other religions with alot of rule enforcement that control some acts or styles of life and i feel everyone once they can have a genuine mature opinion on a belief or religion have the choice on how to live there life through that beliefe or religion |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 10:37pm |
 Coolness: 145345 | Originally Posted By DEADFUNK BASDINI, IF YOUR SO ABOUT PEACE AND EVERYOEN BEING MUSLIM, WHY IS YOUR AVATAR A FUCKING BOMB SUIT PLANE?
when did i ever say i wanted to convert anyone to any religion? see really this is what it's about, i'm not trying to convert anyone to anything...i will however defend to the death my right (and consequently everyone else's right) to worship whatever they find fulfiilment in. I would think that this is not controversial, doesn't it go with many of our other most cherished rights, freedom of the press, freedom of expression, freedom of conscience and thought. All of these go together... Despite the efforts of some people on this board to 'straw man' my position, i want to make it clear that in no sense do i support a religious state, i do believe in the seperation of church and state, and am against any idea of a state religion. i find it funny that atheists try to convert more people than any religion to their view of the world, if you don't come over 100% to their side then they try to intimidate and ridicule you (like some people on this board do to me). Militant atheists are really quite an intolerant bunch even when other people are willing to accomodate them (as i am). It's ok though, cause i'm not scared of bunch of wusses like you guys... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Captain.Obvious replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 10:58pm |
| Coolness: 32370 | Militant Atheists are that way because they've been backed in to a corner by people who want to indoctrinate everyone.
I'm all for freedom. 100% in favor of freedom, even to practice whatever voodoo crap you want. But don't force your beliefs on me by making me take part in your dogma. By the way, ridiculing and insulting someone is part of freedom. If I think your beliefs are garbage, I'm going to say so. I wont prevent you from practicing them, but there is no way I wont mock you for it. You really need to pay attention to the difference here. In places like the US, presidential candidates talk about Atheists as if they aren't even citizens. they constantly push gods and dogma into everyone's every day life. This sort of crap is what creates Militant Atheists who fight back. Debating online with others about the validity of one religion over another (or none at all) is not intolerant, it's progress. Talking is ALWAYS better than fighting (physically). When the militant religious get angry, they kill people. When militant atheists get angry, they throw insults. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Anarkoid replied on Thu Dec 13, 2007 @ 11:41pm |
| Coolness: 192820 | Originally Posted By CAPTAIN.OBVIOUS
When militant atheists get angry, they throw insults. but throwing rotten tomatoes can also be very nice!!! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Fri Dec 14, 2007 @ 1:57am |
| Coolness: 201370 | I'm definitely not a militant. I'm a big time pacifist, I try and avoid violence at all costs. There is nothing militant about me. Most of my complaints are due to violent acts such as this one. I hate all the war and bombings and "mercy killings" that occur due to the way some people interpret their religions. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Fri Dec 14, 2007 @ 3:14pm |
| Coolness: 509705 | Originally Posted By PURESEXMEGS
Though its funny how mike you seem to give off as if your implying if your parents tell you to jump off a bridge because your under 18 you should do it. or an arranged marriege. at the end of the day there is freedoms of choice and the freedom of religion. I would really like to see you sit there and say to all of us its a dog eat dog world if your parents got raped and mutilated. A little far fetched but the fact that you put death loosely but it is a dog eat dog world, we think we're better because we can 'communicate[manipulate]' but in the end it really is survival of the fittest [to survive], duh... I don't think you should do everything your parents tell you to, I strongly believe that everyone should use sound reasoning and that you can't accept everything your told without questioning it but then you can't question everything you're told either, sooner or later if the thing that your parents are asking you is something as simple as 'respect our religion and wear your god damnned hat' then it's being really unreasonable for us to say 'no' I don't believe in hats. Just learn from it and once you're not leeching off your parents, do whatever you want. All I wanted to say is that there's no way that girl came home to get some things and her dad jumped on her throat, she HAD to provoke him one way or another, or else there would have being a premeditated will to kill, and it's my reasonable opinion that when you provoke someone, you should be held at least partially responsible for the reaction you bring on... like you don't go up to a Hell's Angel biker and ask him where to buy G-Strings, if he kills you, it's really your own damned fault. Originally Posted By PURESEXMEGS
but who said because of that, that being unhuman and merciless I think this is also a case by case basis and shouldnt generalize the muslim community because i know quite a few muslim families where they arent so strict. They are more with the western world I also hate generalization, although it helps us have a better understanding of the world in general, you have to come into every situation when the benefit of the doubt, which is all I've been pushing here... I don't believe in 'inhumane' being a term that you can apply to a human, I mean, we made that word up, solely to describe other humans, so right there is a huge contradiction... only humans can truly be inhumane, which doesn't make sense. whatever, all in all, believe what you want, but react knowing that you're just taking someone else's word for it... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Fri Dec 14, 2007 @ 3:44pm |
| Coolness: 201370 | Would survival of the fittest mean it's okay for a father to choke is own daughter to death, because she is less 'fit'? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Fri Dec 14, 2007 @ 4:00pm |
| Coolness: 509705 | survival of the fittest means who ever is dead, wasn't fit to be alive... but then, everyone dies, so no one is fit to live for eternity, those who die sooner have less children and therefor do not contribute to the gene pool... if the father's religion played a big role, well now the world is less likely to have descendants of that religion, so I would conclude that the world will be a better place now that that mans' genes won't be passed on as much. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DrGonzo replied on Fri Dec 14, 2007 @ 4:13pm |
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HAHAH. no fucking way haahhahahahahahaha. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Fri Dec 14, 2007 @ 5:29pm |
| Coolness: 201370 | AlienZed: Religious zeal isn't genetic, it's taught. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PoiSoNeD_CaNdY replied on Sat Dec 15, 2007 @ 12:56am |
| Coolness: 91835 | Alienzed: thanks for pointing out that despite the media's and others attempts to frame this story in purely black and white terms, the reality of what happened is infinetly more complex and nuanced |
16-Year Old Ontario Girl Choked For Not Wearing Hijab
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