New Bin Laden Video
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Fri Sep 7, 2007 @ 11:18pm |
 Coolness: 145325 | CAIRO, Egypt - Osama bin Laden appeared for the first time in three years in a video Friday released ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, telling Americans they should convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end.
American officials said the U.S. government had obtained a copy even though the video had not been posted yet by al-Qaida — and intelligence agencies were studying the video to determine whether it was authentic and looking for clues about bin Laden's health. The 30-minute video was obtained by the SITE Institute, a Washington-based group that monitors terrorist messages, and provided to the Associated Press. The footage gives a rare look at the al-Qaida leader, who has likely avoided appearing in videos as a security measure. His emergence comes at a time when terrorism experts believe his terror network is regrouping in the lawless Pakistan-Afghanistan border region — and it underlines the U.S. failure to catch him. In the video, a short excerpt of which was broadcast to the Arab world by Al-Jazeera television, bin Laden wears a white robe, a white circular cap and a beige cloak seated behind a table while reading an address to the American people from papers in front of him. His trimmed beard is shorter than in his last video, in 2004, and is fully black — apparently dyed, since in past videos it was mostly gray. He speaks softly, as he usually does, and has dark bags under his eyes, but his appearance dispelled rumors that he had died. U.S. President George W. Bush made the rare move of speaking about an al-Qaida video. The tape is "a reminder about the dangerous world in which we live, he told reporters on the sidelines of a summit of Pacific Rim nations in Sydney, Australia. "It's important that we show resolve and determination to protect ourselves, deny al-Qaida safe haven and support young democracies," Bush said. In the video, Bin Laden makes no overt threats and does not directly call for attacks. Instead, he addresses Americans, lecturing them on the failures of their leaders to stop the war in Iraq despite growing public opposition in the U.S. He says there were two solutions to stopping the Iraq war. "One is from our side, and it is to escalate the fighting and killing against you. This is our duty, and our brothers are carrying it out," bin Laden said. "The second solution is from your side. ... I invite you to embrace Islam," he said. One result of that, bin Laden said, would be an end to the Iraq war. He said "warmongering owners of the major corporations" would rush to appease voters who showed they are looking for an alternative, "and this alternative is Islam." He derided Bush, saying events in Iraq have gotten "out of control" and the American leader "is like the one who plows and sows the sea: He harvests nothing but failure." Bin Laden frequently criticized capitalism, calling its leaders the real terrorists and threats to human freedom. "This is why I tell you: as you liberated yourselves before from the slavery of monks, kings and feudalism, you should liberate yourselves from the deception, shackles and attrition of the capitalist system," he said. Bin Laden's attacks in the video on capitalism, multinational corporations and globalization led several current and former government officials to believe an American — 28-year-old Adam Gadahn — may have written at least part of the speech. Gadahn, who has been charged with treason and supporting terrorism for serving as an al-Qaida propagandist, has appeared in several past al-Qaida-produced videos, lecturing against capitalism and globalization and making insider references to American culture. "It has Adam Gadahn written all over it," one former senior intelligence official said of bin Laden's tape, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue. The video appeared to have been recently made. At one point, bin Laden mentions that "several days ago" Japan marked the 62nd anniversary of the Aug. 6, 1945, atomic bomb attack on Hiroshima. He also refers to the Democratic Party's congressional victory in last fall's election and to French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who was elected in May. He also shows a grasp of current events, dropping mentions of global warming and saying Americans are "reeling under the burdens" of a mortgage crisis. And he praises author Noam Chomsky, an early critic of the Iraq war, as well as Michael Scheuer, former head of the CIA's bin Laden unit, who has said poor U.S. leadership was losing the war against terrorist groups. Bin Laden "knows Bush has low approval ratings, knows the significance of a growing awareness of global warming," said Thomas Sanderson, deputy director of the Transnational Threats Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "He's trying to capitalize on what he sees as a shift back to the middle in American politics." Al-Qaida annually uses the anniversary of the Sept. 11 suicide attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as a propaganda opportunity, issuing videotapes to rally supporters and mock the United States. But the appearance of bin Laden this year makes a bigger splash. The al-Qaida leader had not appeared in new video footage since October 2004, and he had not put out an audiotape in more than a year, his longest period without a message. His deputy, Egyptian-born Ayman al-Zawahri, has issued numerous videos and audiotapes in the meantime as al-Qaida has increased the sophistication and speed of its media operations. Seth Jones, a terrorism expert at the RAND think tank, said that while the anniversary gives the pretext for the tape, it also comes at a time when the main al-Qaida leadership has managed to regroup. "There clearly has been a resurgence of core al-Qaida in the tribal areas of Pakistan" along the frontier with Afghanistan since 2005, Jones said. He said sympathy in that region for the Taliban has made it more receptive to militant Sunni groups, including al-Qaida. "It's really created a sanctuary," Jones said. Rita Katz, director of the SITE Institute, said she believes "strongly that al-Qaida has regrouped" but that its core bases are more scattered than previously, comprising several training camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan. She said it was likely bin Laden is hidden in a more secure location, away from any of those sites. During the video, bin Laden's image moves for only a total of about 3 1/2 minutes in two segments, staying frozen the rest of the time while his remarks continue. A former senior U.S. intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said it might have resulted from a technical glitch while al-Qaida passed the video through a variety of computer sites to mask its cyber trail. The United States intercepted the video before it was released on Islamic Web sites where al-Qaida usually posts its messages, a U.S. counterterrorism official said in Washington. U.S. officials had analyzed the video for hours before transcripts and videos were leaked, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue. The official said analysts were studying bin Laden's physical characteristics — for clues about his health after unconfirmed rumors earlier this year that he had died of kidney disease. Soon after word emerged that the United States had the video, Islamic militant Web sites that usually carry statements from al-Qaida went down and were inaccessible. Hours later, the sites were back up, but by late Friday, the video still had not been released on the militant Web sites. The reason for the shutdown was not immediately known. Evan H. Kohlmann, a terrorism expert at [ globalterroralert.com ] said he suspected it was the work of al-Qaida itself, trying to find how the video leaked to U.S. officials. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» anonyme replied on Tue Sep 11, 2007 @ 1:17pm |
 Coolness: 30570 | Embrace Islam, or face the wrath of that same Islam! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Wed Sep 12, 2007 @ 1:28am |
| Coolness: 145325 | please don't insult islam by saying that. Update » basdini wrote on Wed Sep 12, 2007 @ 4:48am this is very interesting also
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf -- a key U.S. ally -- is less popular in his own country than al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, according to a poll of Pakistanis conducted last month by an anti-terrorism organization. Additionally, nearly three-fourths of poll respondents said they oppose U.S. military action against al Qaeda and the Taliban inside Pakistan, according to results from the poll conducted by the independent polling organization Terror Free Tomorrow. "We have conducted 23 polls all over the Muslim world, and this is the most disturbing one we have conducted," said Ken Ballen, the group's head. "Pakistan is the one Muslim nation that has nuclear weapons, and the people who want to use them against us -- like the Taliban and al Qaeda -- are more popular there than our allies like Musharraf." The poll was conducted for Terror Free Tomorrow by D3 Systems of Vienna, Virginia., and the Pakistan Institute for Public Opinion. Interviews were conducted August 18-29, face-to-face with 1,044 Pakistanis across 105 urban and rural sampling points in all four provinces across the nation. Households were randomly selected. According to poll results, bin Laden has a 46 percent approval rating. Musharraf's support is 38 percent. U.S. President George W. Bush's approval: 9 percent. Asked their opinion on the real purpose of the U.S.-led war on terror, 66 percent of poll respondents said they believe the United States is acting against Islam or has anti-Muslim motivation. Others refused to answer the question or said they did not know. "We failed in winning hearts and minds in Pakistan," Ballen told CNN. "In fact, only 4 percent said we had a good motivation in the war on terrorism." Seventy-four percent said they oppose U.S. military action against al Qaeda and the Taliban inside Pakistan. After American relief efforts following the October 2005 earthquake in Pakistan's Kashmir region, 46 percent of Pakistanis had a positive opinion of the United States, according to the poll. But as of last month, only 19 percent reported a favorable opinion. Meanwhile, al Qaeda has a 43 percent approval rate; the Taliban has a 38 percent approval rate; and local radical extremist groups had an approval rating between 37 percent to 49 percent. Views of U.S. could improve, responses indicate There were a few bright spots in the poll results, however. Opposition leader Benazir Bhutto -- a relatively moderate and progressive figure, as well as a woman -- had a 63 percent approval rating. Seventy-five percent of poll respondents said suicide bombings are rarely or never justified. And a majority of Pakistanis said their opinion of the United States would improve if, among other things, there were increases in American aid to Pakistan, American business investments and the number of visas issued for Pakistanis to work in the United States. Terror Free Tomorrow is a non-partisan, nonprofit group in Washington, D.C., and according to its Web site is "the only organization dedicated to a new strategic vision: Leading the fight against terror by winning the popular support that empowers global terrorists." from [ www.cnn.com ] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Wed Sep 12, 2007 @ 9:59am |
 Coolness: 509685 | The religious do not deserve insults, just enlightenment to truths they cannot accept without losing some of their faith. Any religion that stems violence and radical action is a dangerous to everyone and needs to be dismantled at any cost. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Wed Sep 12, 2007 @ 10:16am |
 Coolness: 685715 | See, when *I* say that, I get accused of being the next coming of hitler. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Wed Sep 12, 2007 @ 10:47am |
 Coolness: 295100 | so where is the vid??? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Wed Sep 12, 2007 @ 11:01am |
| Coolness: 509685 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
See, when *I* say that, I get accused of being the next coming of hitler. What with relativity, Hitler was only evil in one or two respects. Disregard for human life is really very common, it's the biased decision to eliminate an entire population that was misguided at best. Then, selectively ridding the world of weaker, uglier persons is just as bad from a moral standpoint. It's not that there's anything wrong with killing someone (death is natural, get over it), it's that no one person should be making the conscious decision to kill anyone based on their opinion. Most people could not handle TRUE FREEDOM because true freedom means that anyone can do anythign at any time, and although that would truly be the most logical way to live, the weak is the majority and the majority rules in modern societies. Truth is, no testtube baby should be alive, no cancer patients should survive, I probably shouldn't be alive... but here I am. Here we all are! Life is not fair, nor unfair, it just is. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Wed Sep 12, 2007 @ 12:43pm |
 Coolness: 153130 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED
TRUE FREEDOM because true freedom means that anyone can do anythign at any time, and although that would truly be the most logical way to live, well, in this case i could rape your mother, and i have the right to, cause i can do what i want. its not about smoking weed in the street, its about real freedom, no human can be really free, or we wont exist anymore, you have to set up restrictions (law) to live in a society |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed Sep 12, 2007 @ 12:46pm |
 Coolness: 92390 | He didn't make any threats in this particular video. It was never really a muslim thing to force people into converting. Of course many muslims would call al-qaeda an enemy of islam in the first place but to the point.. One of the most well known and widespread teachings of islam is to respect the beliefs of others from other belief systems. When muslims conquered nations they always allowed free worship. Okay "free" is not the right word. Normally people who didn't convert to islam had to pay extra taxes and had reduced rights but the societies we stem from were still persecuting people for their relgions long after that. The point being simply that the muslim religion or sharia specifically states that every person should have the right to worship as they chose or not at all and to respect the religions of others. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Wed Sep 12, 2007 @ 2:01pm |
| Coolness: 295100 | Originally Posted By MOONDANCER
He didn't make any threats in this particular video. It was never really a muslim thing to force people into converting. Of course many muslims would call al-qaeda an enemy of islam in the first place but to the point.. One of the most well known and widespread teachings of islam is to respect the beliefs of others from other belief systems. When muslims conquered nations they always allowed free worship. Okay "free" is not the right word. Normally people who didn't convert to islam had to pay extra taxes and had reduced rights but the societies we stem from were still persecuting people for their relgions long after that. The point being simply that the muslim religion or sharia specifically states that every person should have the right to worship as they chose or not at all and to respect the religions of others. true on those point! but still was / is the same for Christianism they did that a lot, the problem is the extremist side of religious people. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Wed Sep 12, 2007 @ 2:04pm |
| Coolness: 509685 | Originally Posted By DEADFUNK
Originally Posted By AlienZeD
TRUE FREEDOM because true freedom means that anyone can do anythign at any time, and although that would truly be the most logical way to live, well, in this case i could rape your mother, and i have the right to, cause i can do what i want. its not about smoking weed in the street, its about real freedom, no human can be really free, or we wont exist anymore, you have to set up restrictions (law) to live in a society but that's the argument right there, of course we'd exist, but only the 'strongest' would survive, and the 'strongest' is onyl defined by those who reproduce. So I call myself a smart guy, but having had no kids yet, I am really being stupid, because in the long run, the only thing that truly matters is how many offspring I have, not my quality of life, not my intelligence, JUST how many girls I impregnate. THAT'S reality and TRUE freedom is nothing more than natural chaos, instinctual behaviour, having lots of dirty unprotected sex with as many partners as possible. So ladies, you know how to find me! Update » AlienZeD wrote on Wed Sep 12, 2007 @ 2:06pm fact is there is no 'law'. There is no crime prevention but the promise of consequences. man IS truly free even within the confines of our perceived social system, it's our seemingly conscious decision to act 'properly' (as defined by others) and that's often why we get screwed by those that realize the total absence of any TRUE law. As long as we are physically and mentally able to make our own decisions, man will be free. I feel better now, and more scared. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Thu Sep 13, 2007 @ 9:10am |
| Coolness: 153130 | yep, and if we all be free, we would waste all our energy to defend ourselves and family, so we still be stuck with sticks and stones ... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Thu Sep 13, 2007 @ 12:34pm |
| Coolness: 509685 | Originally Posted By DEADFUNK
yep, and if we all be free, we would waste all our energy to defend ourselves and family, so we still be stuck with sticks and stones ... But at least then our values would be better than those of today's average person. People value money more than life, money doesn't even HAVE value anymore, so life must be worthless. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Thu Sep 13, 2007 @ 12:52pm |
| Coolness: 153130 | yep, but i still prefer to live my worthless life in my apartement making music that would just not exist if we lived like that, with my a/c in hot days, heating system in the winter, being in touch with my family and friends, instead of having to walk 200 km to see someone, being able to stay home dry whn it rains, being able to sleep in a nice place instead of sleeping in a tree to make sure lions or whatever doesnt eat you in your sleep.
yeah, maybe, im wrong, and you DO hold the defenitive truth, but i have a question for you, if you really want to be free, why dont you go in the middle of a forest, to live your life, far away from the oh-not-so-great civilisation, full of money, fun, friend, family. you wouldnt be more free than i am, you know, you have to fight for your life, to hunt to eat, but hey im free, im free not to hunt if i dont want to, yeah, good, then your free not to eat even if you are hungry. cant you see, its impossible to be free, even if you alone in the world. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Thu Sep 13, 2007 @ 1:01pm |
| Coolness: 92390 | It really depends what you're striving to be free from. You can't be free from everything until your dead but some people would rather be free of certain things than others. Alone in the woods you're free from society. You wouldn't be free from survival duties but what you have to do to survive is quite different, it wouldn't depend on society. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Thu Sep 13, 2007 @ 1:07pm |
| Coolness: 509685 | Even alone in the woods, there's no true freedom anymore, because all the animals have guns these days. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Thu Sep 13, 2007 @ 1:26pm |
| Coolness: 295100 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED
Even alone in the woods, there's no true freedom anymore, because all the animals have guns these days. damn rhynos got ak47 rats got a bazooka for criss sake |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Thu Sep 13, 2007 @ 2:15pm |
| Coolness: 509685 |  |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Thu Sep 13, 2007 @ 2:18pm |
| Coolness: 295100 | damn sniper cat |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Fri Sep 14, 2007 @ 12:15am |
| Coolness: 145325 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED THE RELIGIOUS DO NOT DESERVE INSULTS, JUST ENLIGHTENMENT TO TRUTHS THEY CANNOT ACCEPT WITHOUT LOSING SOME OF THEIR FAITH. ANY RELIGION THAT STEMS VIOLENCE AND RADICAL ACTION IS A DANGEROUS TO EVERYONE AND NEEDS TO BE DISMANTLED AT ANY COST.
dude you don't know a fucking thing about islam so shut the hell up. |
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