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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Thu Sep 20, 2007 @ 1:38pm |
 Coolness: 509685 | But what exactly do you believe in? What is the relevance of God in your life? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Thu Sep 20, 2007 @ 11:35pm |
 Coolness: 145325 | i refuse to admit that any force in the universe is stronger than me, except god. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Fri Sep 21, 2007 @ 3:35am |
 Coolness: 685715 | Ever think that maybe you ARE god?
who's been with you since the day you were born? Who's guided you and made your decisions for you all your life? Who's made you walk the path that's lead you to where you are today? Who's decisions and choices affect every single aspect of your life? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Fri Sep 21, 2007 @ 5:01am |
| Coolness: 145325 | well, now you are begining to understand fred...
that is, the pantheistic nature of true spirituality, you re god, i'm god, that dog turd is god, we are all aspects of god... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Fri Sep 21, 2007 @ 5:53am |
| Coolness: 685715 | Not an aspect of; you yourself ARE god... to yourself. You're the only one in controll of your life, the only one who decides how you're going to get through rough moments, the only one in charge of your destiny. Everyone is their own god, in the respect that they are the only one who really decides how they live their lives, what they're going to do, what makes them happy or sad, what they enjoy and dislike.
We are all our own gods. My beef is with organised religions telling people that they are useless without "their" god. People have the power to do anything they please, but they're indoctrinated with the beliefe that to accomplish anything, we need this external force in our lives, when really all the energy we need is within ourselves. Prayers never reach the ears of some savior in the sky; but because a person believes (and I mean TRULY believes) that they do, then they themselves are the ones that find the strength to do what needs to be done. Not an external force; not the christian god, not allah, not yweh, not cthulhu, not the flying spaghetti monster, but a manifestation of their own INNER power that they've been led to supress by being told they are weak and helpless babies without guidance. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Fri Sep 21, 2007 @ 7:48am |
 Coolness: 295100 | and that they are going to hell... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Fri Sep 21, 2007 @ 7:54am |
| Coolness: 145325 | man in the(his) world, should be as god in the(his) universe. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Fri Sep 21, 2007 @ 8:15am |
| Coolness: 685715 | Exactly. It's negative re-inforcement. It's the biggest racketeering buisness ever; they threaten you with eternal pain and suffering if you don't follow their law, believe in their version of the truth, give them your money, your time. They tell you your children are going to get eternal pain and suffering if they aren't baptised and brainwashed into their ideologies; that they'll never see heaven if they don't conform to their "faith".
I've typed it out many times, and here's one more: When the church was first established, simple things like confession used to cost money. And since all sins are based off of simple animal instincts, it is impossible not to sin. So confession was a source of church income, because if you don't confess your sins, you're going to hell. "Satanists", as it was told, would use 2 things in their "rituals" to satan. One of those was virgin's blood, and the other was candles made from the fat of unbaptised babies. Baptism costs money to preform. To not be a virgin requires sex, which is a sin if done out of wedlock, so they get confession money off of that. If they DO get married, marriages cost money (not in the sence of modern mariages, but in the sence that the church wanted/wants money to perform the service). Now, sex itself is a sin, unless you do it with the intent to have children. Each one of those children is more baptisms, and more money to the church. Sex, as it is, is a natural, animal instinct that we all have deep-down and that hits us at puberty (because that's the age we're SUPPOSED to reproduce at, biologicaly). Now, throw in the religiously-imposed laws that state that you have to be a certain age to have sex/get married, you spend most of the portion of your life when you're SUPPOSED to be having sex to further the species either 1: not having sex or 2: having sex (which is obviously out of wedlock) and sinning, which means if you've been properly brainwashed, you had to go to confession (more $$$). It's the eternal catch; everything that we do is a sin, we're led to believe that we're guilty of everything instinctual. And granted, now things like confession don't cost any money to do, but they're still trying to impose their morals on us. Renting a church and priest for a wedding isn't cheap. Baptisms still aren't free. And what parent would want their child to possibly spend eternity suffering and in pain because they weren't baptised? Religion is the greatest money-making scam ever pulled on the whole of the human race. Almost all religions are based around guilt for our natural, animal instincts, and an indoctorination of being powerless and unable to do anything for yourself. It's also a great excuse for things. Your father just died in a car accident? It's god's will. god has a greater plan. You didn't get that job promotion? Must be god's will. Just avoided a car crash that left everyone dead? god has something planned for you. But with the belief in god, also comes the belief in the devil. What if you just HAD to go and kill that person? The devil made me do it. What if you just HAD to go and have that extra bagle, even though you were full (gluttony)? The devil tempted me with it. What about that sweater you really like you just bought because it would look so good on you (pride)? I just couldn't controll myself and had to do it.. Along with the indoctrinated belief that you have no power of your own, comes the scapegoat for all of your problems; the easy answer to everything that goes wrong in your life. Rather than accept that you fucked up, that you did something wrong, that someone else doesn't like you and fucked you out of something, it's all boiled down to "god's will" or "the devil made me do it". No one is taught personal responsibility and is taught that things are always someone else's fault, which makes for very irrseponsible people who blindly trust the "higher powers" to make the right choices for them, especially when those "higher powers" are also religious. (Bush being a prime example) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sat Sep 22, 2007 @ 9:02am |
| Coolness: 145325 | i think you got it a little wrong here fred,
real sin (for catholics) is about intent not action, scripture indicates that we do have free will, same with so called 'forgivness' or redemption, you have to be truly an sicerly sorry for what you did otherwise confession and penitence are meaningless, i'm sorry, you may fancy yourself to be a budding richard dawkins (the river out of eden, the god delusion) but i'm just not convinced, just let other people believe in god, you re not better than them because of it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sat Sep 22, 2007 @ 9:19am |
| Coolness: 685715 | My problem isn't so much with god (or the concept of god) so much as it is with organised religion abusing people's gullibility and using it as a method of mind-controll.
Anyone who finds god by reading a book has got it totally wrong. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Sat Sep 22, 2007 @ 10:27pm |
 Coolness: 201350 | many, if not all, religious traditions are based on survival in the time the religion came to be.. EG. avoiding pork in Judiasm and Islam due to trichinosis (nowadays we cook our meat and don't let it spoil), washing yourself before prayer (a part of many religions, back in the day, encouraging people to wash often was very important, especially for dessert dwellers like the jews and moslems), having many children was important because only some of them would survive, and the ones who did would be working for you on your farm and/or in your trade.
Prayer is essentially meditation, so encouraging people to pray would make them calmer and happier. Prayer is probably about the only good thing in religions, and you don't have to be religious to meditate and have the same benefits. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Sun Sep 23, 2007 @ 10:27pm |
 Coolness: 226400 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
We are all our own gods. "With little g's and big dicks. Sadistic and constantly inflicting our slow demises..." Update » MolocH wrote on Sun Sep 23, 2007 @ 10:28pm I know, I know...
But I always loved that point of view:) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Mon Sep 24, 2007 @ 11:32am |
 Coolness: 92390 | I agreee with Scott about prayer.. somethign that I always admired and truly appreciate about religious people is their ability to stay calm and look at the bright side in traumatic situatiions.
Most of them also believe that the strong should help the weak(i'm not trying to start a debate on whos strong and weak here, just stating a common religious point of view) and so they help others get through those situations too. Sometimes it doesnt matter why they are helping you or what they're saying, sometimes in those situations all people need is to hear a calm voice and to have the comfort of knowing that there is at least someone in the world can see good in everything, who has hope and the will to heal. They help people out no matter what they believe, what their sexual orientation is or the colour of their skin becuase even though they believe non-believers(or those who believe differently) are mislead and should convert but they also believe that we're all gods children and that some of those poeple they help will eventually "find god". I don't agree with them that those non-religious or gay people are mislead but I do agree with their views about helping other people out. The common view in this non-religious society is that the best way to survive is by every man helping only himself but every man has a better chance of surviving if the others around him don't think the same way. A truly religious person is interested in peace and has no benefit from war. I don't want to live in a religiously governed and superstitious society but we aren't in threat of this happening. Our society continues to move away from this religion which rests on unstable foundations. Fighting it would only delay the process if anything. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Mon Sep 24, 2007 @ 12:26pm |
| Coolness: 509685 | I think even unreligious people can be helpful and wish well upon other. I for example do not believe in any greater power and yet I often help those around me, simply because I'd love for others to help me, so I practice what I preach. But what I preach has nothing to do with invisible all powerful universe spawning beings of unholy proportions.
the only religious truths have been misinterpreted a thousand times over. to the point that Bush went to war in the name of God, and the terrorists do what THEY do in the name of god. What they don't realize is that God in these cases are Bush and Bin Laden (supposedly) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Mon Sep 24, 2007 @ 1:22pm |
| Coolness: 92390 | On one hand we have bush going to war because he's a corporate whore and on the other hand we have people like the taliban who'd like to run iraq themselves and have all the oil money for themselves(aka same reasons). Then we have the people who have been convince by these groups that the only defense for their country and culture is to blow themselves up. Then we have the people who don't care who leads them because they see them all as equally corrupt, as long as they're on the right side when whoever wins wins. I don't see poeple agreeing with these guys in the name of god. A suicide bomber may believe that he's doing it for god but at the forefront of his actions is the belief that he is giving his life for the survival of others(and thus serving god as well). These people have been manipulated to a disgusting degree on many levels. They are systematically seperated from their families and estranged from society. They can claim to do things in the name of god all they want but I don't believe it's fooling anybody who believes in god at this point. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey replied on Thu Sep 27, 2007 @ 10:41am |
 Coolness: 102890 | Calling nature, the universe, natural philosophy ( sciences ) as god would be confusing to people who do believe in God. And insulting to our intelligence. Saying that we don't know for sure whether there is or isn't a God is saying we are too naive to make judgment and decide for ourselves.
Why is it so hard to accept that we're merely stardust? Our predecessors, as in the ancestors of the human species, developed causal belief. It was necessary to survive: making tools. Anyway, to make it short.... causal belief is what separates us from the animals. But causal belief was also to explain stuff our precursors didn't understand. Stuff we made up because there was a need. But we don't need the supernatural anymore... we now understand... but our brain is still wired like our ancestors... so it's hard for nearly everyone to accept that their life has no meaning. The meaning of life is what you give it. Update » Trey wrote on Thu Sep 27, 2007 @ 10:52am ..
.. .. .. .. King David, 1011-971 BCE ( before the common era ), 2nd King of Israel.
" For i have done your bidding, I have slain mine enemies in your name. I have put women and children to death in your honor, I have cause great pain among them, for your glory "- Psalms, 5:4-10 Jesus Christ, 4 BCE - 33 AD, Jewish religious teacher, reformer.
" Think not that i come to send peace on earth; I came not to send peace, but a sword." -Matthew 10:34 Muhammad, 570-632 AD, Arab prophet, author of Koran
" Fight those who do not believe in Allah... nor acknowledge the religion of Truth..." |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Thu Sep 27, 2007 @ 12:50pm |
| Coolness: 92390 | I'm sure that most of these quotes don't mean shit to someone who's read the whole saga. For all we know these people could have learned their lessons, what's a story without a moral?
People these days are too cozy, that's the problem. They think everything is so stable and that we know everything. Sometimes I laugh and sometimes I cry when I see the foundations falling out from beneath their feet. You really think you even know about the existance of half the things we don't understand? Don't even answer the question, I'm just bitching, seriously I'm not even interested in this debate. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey replied on Thu Sep 27, 2007 @ 6:45pm |
| Coolness: 102890 | Yea, exactly, you bitching. You ain't adding anything constructive.
Read a few books, not just some pages of the Internet. I was responding to the whole thread. Quotes are there to indicated that some religious people go to extreme and there is no such thing as religion (monotheism )of peace. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Fri Sep 28, 2007 @ 7:45am |
| Coolness: 92390 | Ummm.. I've read way more books on the subject than you thank you very much. You have no idea what you're talking about. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Fri Sep 28, 2007 @ 2:48pm |
| Coolness: 145325 | ^no one ever does |
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