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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Sep 17, 2007 @ 8:33pm |
 Coolness: 685735 | I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm just stating the fact that religion (ALL religion, not just specifics) is a cancer to our society, and that while it still exists, we will have more pointless wars and deaths over who's imaginary friend is more right. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Mon Sep 17, 2007 @ 8:52pm |
 Coolness: 92410 | Religion only diverts attention from the real problem. Humanity is doomed because they don't recongnise the weapons used against them and they forget everyday what they've been taught their whole lives. Tell me, what is it that culd have convinced you all that the problem in this war is religion? Did we get attacked by muslims or did we attack them? We attacked them. Bush doesn't give a crap about god. His god are the corporations operating beneath him. Furhtermore he has no cotrol over this god because even if he disagreed all of his so-called loyal employees would mobilise against him at the touch of a button. He doesn't even so much as have power over his own cabinet. Is it religion that gave birth to this system of governance? I think not. It's the same thing we've known to corrupt everything since we were wee ones. I don't know how anyone can forget or how they could possibly believe it's any different now. I wish it was religon, it would be so much esasier, you're all just being idealists here hoping that people aren't greedy but faithful. America is run by one thing and it's money. The enemy is a robot called corporation. It has no mind, just a buch of gears.
It's easy to turn a population against their own interests. You convince them that what's bad is good and what's good is bad. The sentiment around america and canada echoes the sentiment of germans way more than you know before ww2. From the mouth of Hitler himself, "Only one thing could have broken our movement: if the adversary had understood its principle and from the first day had smashed with extreme brutality the nucleus of our new movement." ( Speech to Nuremberg Congress, 9/3/33 ) The goal is different but the nucleus of their movement is the same. It's also not run by one man but rather is run by nobody. That's what's really scary about the whole thing. People didn't vote for Bush, they voted for Exxon and Exxon is nobody. Religion has nothing to do with this war and I ask you to remind yourselves at what point that it ever did. I must be missing something here. Update » moondancer wrote on Mon Sep 17, 2007 @ 8:53pm For those who are too lazy to read my post i reiterate: what does this war have to do with religion? Thanks. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Mon Sep 17, 2007 @ 8:58pm |
 Coolness: 201370 | I'm not telling anyone to adopt atheism, I'm saying that you shouldn't support terrorism. Right now Christianity and Islam have been hijacked by fundamentalists and they are using it as a tool to control populations and to justify war. Both of those religions have had their messages perverted. Big time reform is needed, especially with the Islam + violence connection. Not enough Muslims are speaking out against it, so they are guilty of remaining silent while their religion becomes tarnished and corrupted.
We shouldn't be arguing over Gods we should be focusing our energy on expanding off this planet because the Earth is royally fucked and we are sentencing ourselves to an eventual death if we don't start exploring space. Update » nothingnopenope wrote on Mon Sep 17, 2007 @ 9:00pm Anyone remember when we were kids and we say the rainbow of different people all holding hands.. that will never happen as long as religion divides and corrupts people. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Mon Sep 17, 2007 @ 11:26pm |
 Coolness: 145345 | muslims anywhere and anytime they feel under threat by the corupt and hypocritical west, can and will strike back. Muslims are under threat across the whole world. i've said it before and i'll say it again, this will never end, not until america puts it's polluted flag over every mosque on earth...
we in the west like to think of ourselves as enlightened and just (like all imperialists like to do), in reality we are the most violent and barbaric people in human history, and we are only going to become more so as the years go on and we drop the pretenses of democracy and civil society. We are heading to a world of 'nuclear imperialism' where states impose their wills on each other by the use of atom bombs, it will be like late 19th C gunboat diplomacy all over again, but this time so many more will die, and for what? for the men in suits and uniforms, the bankers and the generals, the elites who see the people as cattle to be slaughtered...or at best as consumers of products... god help us. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Sep 18, 2007 @ 12:12am |
| Coolness: 685735 | Right, it's JUST the governments that run things that want to "get rid" of muslims. The jews of any/every political leaning don't have anything against muslims, just like muslims have NEVER had any animosity/hate of any sort towards jews and christians.
Government and imperialism has nothing to do with the fact that the ONLY thing seperating "them" from "the rest" is the RELIGION that everyone chooses to follow, be it muslim, jewish, catholic, hare krishna.. It ALL serves to unite people in their hate for those that don't follow the same belief. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue Sep 18, 2007 @ 1:39am |
| Coolness: 145345 | i disagree fred, but you already know that, i don't think that it's like that, you're problem is that you're not satisfied with being an atheist you want other people to be atheist too, that's how we are different i don't care if anyone else is spiritual or not, i just want the freedom to do so without being ridiculed or insulted.
i don't think religion is as you say a cancer, i think it can be a good thing... Update » basdini wrote on Tue Sep 18, 2007 @ 1:42am oh i almost forget
"I'm just stating the fact that religion (ALL religion, not just specifics) is a cancer to our society," this is an opinion NOT a fact, it cannot be proven in any meaningful way by anyone. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Sep 18, 2007 @ 2:15am |
| Coolness: 92410 | There are many many things that seperate them from the rest. Most relgious people don't hate other relgious people. They only hate eachother when somoene manages to convince them that they should and it'll be as convincing to a relgious person as a non-religous person as you can see. I don't see any christians smearing shit on their muslim neighbours doorsteps or vice versa. Normal people have no reason to be at war with eachother. This hate you speak of exists for very few religious people and I don't see them acting on it because that would be majorly inconvenient to someone wanting to live in peace. They have about as much hate for eachother as people have hate for other races or ideologies.
Religion is a barrier as much as everything else. People will find any reason to hate eachother. People can chose to listen to the messages in their relgion instructed them against that or the ones instructing them for it. Clearly both exist. Which basically equates the religion to zero when it comes to whether or not to hate other relgions or accept them. It might as well not exist. Although I do agree it's used as a weapon it's not needed as one in the end. God isn't needed to convice the masses against someone, they'd be fighting no matter what. God is just the easiest way to get across to some people. None of this "relgion is the root of all the worlds problems" crap adds up. None of it is manifesting in real life, it's just there in people's heads. I still haven't got an answer on what this war has to do with religion. Anyways we're all fucked. Fighting a non-existant enemy for the real enemy while they run amok. There's simply no weight or any kind of manifestation to your argument. It's a creation of a false reality based on a false lead and misinterpretation of historical knowledge. That's all it will ever be. Water. The people standing in the rainbow are all very different.. that's the point. The idea is accepting eachother, not trying to change eachother because we believe we are better. It will happen when you learn to accept your fellow human beings, even if you believe they're complete lunatics, you have to accept them for that and let them live how they like if you want your rainbow. It's the easiest thing in the world to just let live. You will never convince a whole world to be united in one belief at once. You will never convince a whole world to abandon all belief. The solution to racism isn't to make a black man white is it? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue Sep 18, 2007 @ 5:12am |
| Coolness: 145345 | None of this "relgion is the root of all the worlds problems" crap adds up.
i agree with this if anything capitalism is the root of all problems (at least in the modern world) even if you see religion as a crutch, what's so wrong with having a crutch if you need it, i think atheists do themselves a diservice when they say things like "look how stupid and blind those religious people are" the implication being that if you re atheist that makes you so much smarter and more free than them, how arrogant, god is not an imaginary friend he is very real to the people who believe in him, you can't prove that god exist or not, that's the point of religion you have to have faith, and having faith or not having faith does not make you better than your counterpart. i don't even know why we bother anymore with this discussion, you're never going to believe that anything exists above and beyond what you can see and touch, and i am never going to stop believing in the possibility that there is so much more to the universe than what we pathetic humans can conceptualize. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Tue Sep 18, 2007 @ 7:07am |
 Coolness: 153150 | basdini, in wich religion are you in? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Tue Sep 18, 2007 @ 9:12am |
 Coolness: 295120 | Originally Posted By BASDINI
None of this "relgion is the root of all the worlds problems" crap adds up. i agree with this if anything capitalism is the root of all problems (at least in the modern world) even if you see religion as a crutch, what's so wrong with having a crutch if you need it, i think atheists do themselves a diservice when they say things like "look how stupid and blind those religious people are" the implication being that if you re atheist that makes you so much smarter and more free than them, how arrogant, god is not an imaginary friend he is very real to the people who believe in him, you can't prove that god exist or not, that's the point of religion you have to have faith, and having faith or not having faith does not make you better than your counterpart. i don't even know why we bother anymore with this discussion, you're never going to believe that anything exists above and beyond what you can see and touch, and i am never going to stop believing in the possibility that there is so much more to the universe than what we pathetic humans can conceptualize. capitalism isn't really the proplem, the problem is that capitalism is now kinda like a religion... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Tue Sep 18, 2007 @ 10:37am |
 Coolness: 509705 | Just a quick note for Sofia.... I quote:
"Is it religion that gave birth to this system of governance?" The answer is a resounding Yes, America was founded by mercenaries of the catholic and protestant faith. Our continent was populated and taken over in the name of religion. And even now the government uses religion to garner support and to justify their actions. Is religion the real reason for these problems? no, but the void of common ignorance is filled with 'faith' and this faith allows people to look the other way when things are too complicated for them to understand. Religion is the biggest pusher of 'magic', of 'propaganda' of "it's not that you disagree, it's that you don't understand, stay out of our way and your soul will be saved". MAN uses the completely BS power of religion to bend others to their will and on top of that, religion is the biggest scam of all time when it comes to the accumulation of money. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Sep 18, 2007 @ 10:57am |
| Coolness: 685735 | that's the point of religion you have to have faith
Not just any kind of faith, but blind faith. You have to take someone else's word (or in this case, the word of books writen some 2000 years ago) that THIS IS HOW IT IS, don't question or you're a sinner and a non-believer and you don't have "faith". Sounds a lot like the army, doesn't it? Follow orders and don't question or it's a disshonorable discharge/millitary prison for dissobedience. Why can't you question? Why can't you ask for some kind of backing up as to what you're believing in's motives? Because then you'd realise that it's full of holes, and that, as Zed pointed out, it's nothing but a scam to controll people. People who are gullible and unable or unwilling to come to the realisation that we're NOT all special and loved and that in the end, if you're a good boy/girl, everything will be MUCH better. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue Sep 18, 2007 @ 11:50pm |
| Coolness: 145345 | Originally Posted By DEADFUNK BASDINI, IN WICH RELIGION ARE YOU IN?
the right one... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Wed Sep 19, 2007 @ 11:14am |
| Coolness: 685735 | Funny, that's what ALL of them claim. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Wed Sep 19, 2007 @ 12:35pm |
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Praise Buddha!! or as I like to call him, Senior Buddha. Update » AlienZeD wrote on Wed Sep 19, 2007 @ 12:39pm I think most of us are atheists, not because we don't believe in a higher purpose or in the indisputable magic that life is, but because we're raised in a society where there are many many conflicting ideologies, some saying 'you're not wrong, but we're right' and others saying 'we're right, aliens will come for us and clone us' and others saying 'eat Jesus' flesh, which is bread, and drink his blood, which gets you fucked if you drink enough' and others saying 'dude, my hands are HUGE!'
Ok i made that last one up, but the only difference between a bar and the catholic church is that booze are free and you have to wait in line; it's like a communist bar for God's sake... pun intended. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Wed Sep 19, 2007 @ 1:47pm |
| Coolness: 153150 | Originally Posted By BASDINI
Originally Posted By Deadfunk BASDINI
, in wich religion are you in? the right one... ok, you lost all credibility on religion ... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Wed Sep 19, 2007 @ 4:03pm |
| Coolness: 509705 | It's a lot easier to just assume no one has any credibility. Ever.
Unless she's hot and interested, in which case you just nod your head and feign interest until BAM, drunken orgy of two. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Wed Sep 19, 2007 @ 11:53pm |
| Coolness: 145345 | Originally Posted By DEADFUNK
ORIGINALLY POSTED BY BASDINI OK, YOU LOST ALL CREDIBILITY ON RELIGION ... ORIGINALLY POSTED BY DEADFUNK BASDINI, IN WICH RELIGION ARE YOU IN? THE RIGHT ONE... i only said that to make fun of fred a little, i think every religion underlies compassion... 'Why can't you question? Why can't you ask for some kind of backing up as to what you're believing in's motives' real faith doesn't need to be reasured, god's existance or non existance can not be proven, so that leaves you with faith... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu Sep 20, 2007 @ 1:50am |
| Coolness: 685735 | faith
n. 1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing. 2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. and gullible adjective 1. naive and easily deceived or tricked; "at that early age she had been gullible and in love" [syn: fleeceable] 2. easily tricked because of being too trusting; "gullible tourists taken in by the shell game" just seem to go so hand in hand. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Thu Sep 20, 2007 @ 3:36am |
| Coolness: 145345 | not being able to prove something exists does not mean that it does not exist.
either you believe or you don't, you don't, i do. again i don't think i'm better than you because of this, everyone should have the right to believe (or not) in whatever they like... faith is like love it's a feeling inside you, you know when someone loves you, same thing with faith, you just know that god exists, your problem fred is that you have made the mistake of anthropamorphising (attaching human qualities to) god, this is a big mistake, 'god is within you and all around you, flip a stone and you will find him, split a peice of wood and he is there.' |
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