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Ever Been Cheated On?
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 1:07am
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to tell you the truth I'm not so sure I'd have the courage myself, even if it is the right thing to do. There's nothing that pains me more then seeing my family in pain. Even if I know they can handle it or it's all for the better. But to get to any place good in life you have to break through a thick barrier of shit. The better the place, the thicker the shit.

I've seen so many people around me who think they have met a reincarnated Romeo or something. Some perfect person, does everything they can for you, sometimes to the point of pure cheese, but more often then not they still cheat in the end. If they don't it's probably cause it ended first. People are always thinking and saying "oh but this is different, we are the best thign to happen to eachother, we were made for eachother", but they still cheat on eachother in the end. So you got married under a fig tree, two white doves brought you guys your rings, and you made passionate love in a beautiful Brazilian waterfall, you're in truuuueeee loooove. All it means for the future is you'll crash down that much harder. Don't even bother considering the slight chance it'll last. That slight chance isn't worth consideration.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 1:10am
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But tomorrow is a new day and your white knight may ride straight up to you and whisper: "Did you drop this diamond necklace?"

Then what? I say go back to the Brazilian Waterfall...
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 4:10am
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I say why the fuck not

If you truly care about someone then you will continue to do so no matter what becomes of them. The problem with most people is that they want to fall in love so badly just so they can be loved. They can't love theirselves or anyone else because they can't accept and forgive, they want too badly to feel better or more justified then the rest of the world because their denial of various things in life makes it impossible for them to come to terms with themselves. If they won't let themselves think about the pieces of themselves they lock away then the only other way to feel good about themselves is to compare. If you can't come to terms with the harsh truth of the world then you will never see it's beauty, or the beauty in any of it's people. That's what I think anyway.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 9:27am
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If I understand what you mean, it makes sense to me! You have to love yourself before you can love anyone else properly. Relationships should be a mutual agreement between the two (three??) people that they think each other rocks. But life does a good job of physically ripping people apart even if they get along great and don't cheat on each other so it's all the same in the end. To see the beauty in life you need to look in the right places after all, My glass is half full!
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 10:08am
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Originally posted by KATIESWIKKEDCOOL...

I trust my insticts more than my own judgement, its never been wrong.


what you call instinct is what I call intuition. Some claim, and I am sure, that there is innate (born with) knowledge, things that we know and then there is things that we learn. My judgement consists of both. but definately innate knowledge would not be wrong. but that which you learn hmm.. well.. could be. However, when people continually do not listen to their instincts or intuition, whichevr you prefer, it in some way could lead them astray.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 10:22am
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insitincts are reactionary.

if you always go with instinct you will often be wrong.

using logic you will find you are going to be right a lot more often.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 10:41am
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Originally posted by ALIEN ZED...

Hell I wish more people thought like you, but it is so hard to find anyone with any decent morals anymore. When ever I find a girl that I can really relate to, I too often just stay friends so that nothing will fuck the relationship up.

Well what is it that changes from friends to more "romantically" involved that tends to fuck the relationship up?! Are things truly more healthy, when you remain friends with the person?! Are you saying that out of fear of problems you stay friends with people (females, I presume) instead of "going out" with them? I'm just trying to understnad what you mean by the last sentence.

All I ever wanted and cared about in my bf/gf relationships was to experience "true love" or just plain, good, old, healthy, love. I wanted to grow with another person in love. I know that might sound cheezy but it has been true.

I've come to a point where I think that I might go out with someone in the future but I am in no rush whatsoever. I think I am doing myself justice, from my past experiences, by just getting to know others and continuing to learn about myself all the while keeping some degree of emotional detachment, by not getting too sexually/emotionally involved with others.

I think I am just coming to realize the importance and value of sex. But not just that, but also the value of getting to know people and having many relationships and not just one in particular. And I don't mean that when I am in a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship, i don't have relationships with others. Because that is its own problem. But I am somewhat unsure about the neccessity of boyfriend/girlfriend relationships.

I think more importantly people, in general, need to acknowledge the polarity of opposites, of the masculine and feminine principle and the value of neutrality. I don't want to lose sight of this and though I am not 100% convinced that I would lose sight of those very important things that I just mentioned by being in a bf/gf relationship. But I tend to somewhat lose sight of it through my bf/gf relationships. Maybe it's me or maybe it's himm or maybe it's both of us but whatever it is-- it has not been working.

Jealousy, paranoia, ups, downs, trust, love, deceit, sex, oh the sex... relationships are chaos (stupid emotions eh?)! I am exagerating a little bit, but during all that time that you spend... just really enjoying the company of a special person in your life... Don't you want or even NEED to know that they aren't fucking someone else? Sounds harsh like that but everyone wants a little bit of control over their own life, and when half of your life is a living, breathing, eating, sleeping, working, learning, talking, flirting... person, you have no control over half your life! UNLESS you can trust them. I guess it would be a very noble lie to say:"Hey baby, you can trust me!" When the truth is that I don't even know what I am doing tomorrow night, or who I'm doing tomorrow night.


Of course, I would want to know if my bf is having sex with other people. Just because I acknowledge the option is avalable and that it is a person's right to choose, doesn't mean that I want them to do it. Pure and simple. It seems like I always come to know, that someone has cheated on me. Atleast getting to know a person as a friend first might give some indication of the type of person they are and have been. But how many people are going to admit that they cheated on their last "loved one", if they want to be romantically, more "seriously" involved. And even if they do admit, it neither means they will do it again or that they won't.

It's all so disturbingly unclear and yet so clear at the same time... I'd just rather take my time, be friends with people. People, including myself, are generally unstable to some degree. I think for now, until I am well-equipped, will remain "single" because it appears to work better and I can stilla achieve that which I seek to find and be: love, happiness, and freedom, not to mention justice.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 10:44am
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Originally posted by SCOTTYP...

alien zed: You forgot number 9: Causes lots of pollution which eventually destroys the world and makes everyone sick.


maybe it's even the best one so far... interesting how you hadn't explicitly written that one out (alien zed)

which could eventually destroy the world.. thank you!
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 10:48am
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Originally posted by DJNEOFORM...

insitincts are reactionary.

if you always go with instinct you will often be wrong.

using logic you will find you are going to be right a lot more often.


can you give me an example of an instinct? The lion when he kills his prey, is that an instinct?!-- the instinct to survive and as such it is a reaction, involuntary, driven by the will to live but reactionary on the basis of the environment one finds oneself in?!!
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 10:56am
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most animals operate on instincts alone.

babies act on instincts, they'll suck on anything put in/near their mouth.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 11:00am
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many scientist say that that is one of the only instincts that humans have left. Maybe, the cow will lose its instinct to give birth alone, if humans keep assisting it to give birth?!
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 11:08am
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how about spinal reactions? those are instinctual body relexes.. :|
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» blah123 replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 11:32am
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Originally posted by MOONDANCER...

I say why the fuck not

If you truly care about someone then you will continue to do so no matter what becomes of them. The problem with most people is that they want to fall in love so badly just so they can be loved. They can't love theirselves or anyone else because they can't accept and forgive, they want too badly to feel better or more justified then the rest of the world because their denial of various things in life makes it impossible for them to come to terms with themselves. If they won't let themselves think about the pieces of themselves they lock away then the only other way to feel good about themselves is to compare. If you can't come to terms with the harsh truth of the world then you will never see it's beauty, or the beauty in any of it's people. That's what I think anyway.


ever fallen for someone who loves themselves too much? Thats almost worse....LOL
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 11:54am
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ho shit, yeah that's not the funnest...

Cinderella: I strongly urge you to never avoid a relationship, you'll miss out on TOO much experience. 100 years ago people would reproduce much much sooner and this was most likely better for evolution as fresh human cells perform better building than the older. If you are older than 20 you are LATE LATE LATE and should have four kids by now. :p
When you say that it is simple and complex at the same time, you are right! My solution was to stop THINKING about it and just acting. I find in the end we all just act like ourselves no matter how much thought we put into things. If you truly think you're going to get a concrete answer, then reason it out; otherwise trying to understand ANYTHING 'completely' is likely a gigantic waste of time you could have spent learning about REAL life, which involves the whole of humanity and not only what goes on in our minds. Sometimes it is smart to step back and see what everyone is doing, it can be very enlightening. Individualy, we are nuts.

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Well what is it that changes from friends to more "romantically" involved that tends to fuck the relationship up?! Are things truly more healthy, when you remain friends with the person?! Are you saying that out of fear of problems you stay friends with people (females, I presume) instead of "going out" with them? I'm just trying to understand what you mean by the last sentence.
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What I meant was actally something that happened to me. I spent almost 7 hours just talking to some girl after a rave once, I told her during that time that I would never hit on her because I didn't want anything to come between us. This is easily explained by the fact that being friends with someone, then dating, and then becoming friends again is nearly impossible. It does happen but generally there are left over emotions, unmutual feelings or remorse/regret. Just think about trying to hang out with your exboyfriend as he hugs and kisses his new girlfriend... not good in any circumstance.
Relationships require a little bit more intimacy and I think a lot of people of afraid of anyone knowing them that well. This extra knowledge about someone (they like being handcuffed and spanked) can come between two friends and make things awkward!! lol
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cactain_steef replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 12:36pm
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i think you guys should date eachother.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 12:44pm
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Wanna come too? there's enough room for everybody! As they said before, it's not cheating if we KNOW that everyone is having sex with everyone. Then it's just fun!
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 12:48pm
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cheating is lame.
if it's already established that the person you're going out with knows you're fucking someone else, then that's not cheating.

cheating is when you make it clear that you're with just that one person, then go off and plow someone else. that's just disrespect.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cactain_steef replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 1:13pm
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hahah plow...

alienzed: no thanks, dont wanna hop on the ol' ball n chain bandwagon.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 1:40pm
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Originally posted by DJNEOFORM...

how about spinal reactions? those are instinctual body relexes.. :|


IT's hard to get a grip on what an instinct is exactly. From what I understood from biology, the spinal cord is a very central component of reflexes.

in·stinct    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (nstngkt)
n.

1. An inborn pattern of behavior that is characteristic of a species and is often a response to specific environmental stimuli: the spawning instinct in salmon; altruistic instincts in social animals.
2. A powerful motivation or impulse.
3. An innate capability or aptitude: an instinct for tact and diplomacy.

adj. (n-stngkt)

1. Deeply filled or imbued: words instinct with love.
2. Obsolete. Impelled from within.

from [ dictionary.com ]

I'm not quite sure if the spinal cord itself would fit under the 1st definition. But you're speaking of the spinal cords reactions?! I think it would fit. How perplexing.

A muscle contraction, which is triggured by the spinal cord might be an example of an instinct as defined in the first explanation from [ dictionary.com ]

I remember my sociology teacher saying that there are only two known human instincts sucking and... ? .
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Thu May 12, 2005 @ 1:42pm
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MORE SUCKING!
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