no, found a really annoying bug, just testing.

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Hmm I got 5151 down and 5266 up from office w/109ms latency. I expected better.

That game is fucking huge.

So huge it's a turn off.

Everything is comming out at the end of the year or the beginning of next year. At least base it on what will be out by christmas and the beginning of next year.. becuase that's when oh.. EVERYTHING is comming. There are no good games now on any of the new system. Not if you compare with what's comming.

everytime i try to tell people that these other phones exist they cant bring their head around the fact that they do in fact do the same thing and have in fact been around along time. I don't get it. This is not the only one, if anyone bothered to look at all theyd find a lot. Sure maybe Nokia has bad advertising.. but the fact is people are not even interested in knowing about this shit until it's the hype of the hype. Some people would have seen that Nokia and thought "well i havent heard about it so it must be lame". But worst of all is people who actually claim to want the iphone just for the wi-fi. If they actually wanted those features so bad they'd know about their other options already, no? This guy is cool.

Yeah and over here nobody is phased by anything. If a girl is being raped in the middle of the street nobody would help, they'd pretend not to see or that they didn't know what was going on. Everybody is scared to do anything.

That's why they tell you to scream fire instead of rape. You all act liek you would do soemthing and you are so much better.. I don't believe it honestly. Most of you would be too scared or selfish.

Bail denied for U.S. man jailed for consensual teen sex
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A judge denied bail Wednesday for a Georgia man who was sentenced to 10 years in jail for having consensual oral sex at 17 with a 15-year-old girl - even though another judge tossed out the sentence a week earlier.


CBC News

Genarlow Wilson was originally sentenced to 10 years in prison for having consensual oral sex with a 15-year-old when he was 17. He was denied bail on Wednesday.
(Courtesy of Wilson family/Associated Press)
Douglas County Superior Court Judge David Emerson ruled that Genarlow Wilson - who is now 21 and has been behind bars for 27 months - will have to stay in jail at least until October.

That's when the Georgia Supreme Court is scheduled to hear an appeal by the state's attorney general, who is challenging the earlier court decision to void Wilson's 10-year sentence.

Attorney General Thurbert Baker had asked that the appeal be heard sooner, but the court rejected his request.

The former honour student was convicted in 2005 of aggravated child molestation, after receiving oral sex at a New Year's Eve party in 2003. In Georgia, the age of consent is 16 and under state law at the time, a minimum 10-year sentence was mandatory for the crime.

Wilson's original sentence was widely criticized on the grounds it was grossly disproportionate to the crime. State legislators later changed the law to make the crime a misdemeanour punishable by up to a year in jail.

On June 13, 2007, a superior court judge ordered Wilson's release, calling the original sentence a "grave miscarriage of justice."

Baker immediately appealed the ruling, arguing that the judge overstepped his authority. Baker said the decision could result in the release of some 1,300 child molesters from Georgia's jails.

When Emerson ruled out bail for Wilson on Wednesday, he said state law prohibits bail for people convicted on that charge and those who have been sentenced to five years or more.

He also cancelled a bail hearing that had been scheduled for July 5.

Earlier this week, prominent New York City investment manager Whitney Tilson and 10 others volunteered to provide $1 million US in bail money for Wilson.

FUCK JACK THOMPSON AND HIS TRUTH BENDING TACTICS!!!! ARRRRRRRGH!!!!!

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Ooh and I love Soul Calibur. I don't think Tamil is in the next one though :((.

The worst part about this asshole is that he actually goes and finds parents who's kids have been murdered and tries to convince them it's because of video games.. even without any background information. There are cases where parents were compoletely convinved and then realised he was a nutcase, bless their souls. I knew that lying bastard played some part in this somehow. Who knows if it was because of him but damn the fucker.

This thread makes me sad. There is no issue of french in quebec. Most of us grew up in the times of the referendum when we were all pitted against eachother and although there is still a lot of stubborness from some people to speak the opposite language I think they're few and far between. Some of the rudeness you experience is probably from those people but I wouldn't be surprised if you are misunderstanding a lot of it either. If someone is asked to repeat themselves three times it's completely normal that they will get slightly frustrated and they will answer the third time in a raised voice. That happens to me with people equally in both english + french. I'm sure if you were workign at a store in T.O and a chink off the boat asked you to repeat yourself over and over, even knowing that they were foreign, you probably wouldn't be able to mask the frustration of repeating yourself.

It's true also that there is a lot of different slang and expression in quebec french but for the most part I don't think this should be enough to really affect your understanding that much. It's a matter of learning the accent and learning to pick out the words. It's not normal to be able to speak a language with native speakers just from taking courses unless the courses actually involve conversing with foreign students. Native speakers always speak faster and with accents you're unlikely to learn in school. That's true for any language. In school they will teach you in the france accent if anything, it is not more correct of an accent, just different like england is from canada. There are also a lot of places in Quebec that are not bilingual. For example Abitibi, Rimouski, no one knows how to speak english and there's no english people. The eastern townships and the west island no one can speak french probably cause there's no french people. It's only really Montreal where people are heavily bilingual and I'm thinking/hoping that at some point it will be even more bilingual as the times of referendum fade further away. Who knows what will happen though.

Telus was always Canadian, it originates from Alberta.

You DO do the actual killing motions on wii complete with stabbing and sawing motions!!!!

The game is made in Toronto. The British rating board refused to rate it which was very likely inspired by the fuss over the first one in britian. Some kid got robbed and killed and the mom blames it on ManHunt because the killer/robber owned a copy. She amde a big stink over her son and has since been activiely workign against violent games. This artivcle talks about that: [ news.bbc.co.uk ]
The game was rated over here but it was given AO which, by their own policies, none of the consoles can release. They can either fight the AO rating, modify the game or fuck the whole thing.
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I want the wii version cause it would be so ridiculous to sit there sawing people to peices with my wiimote. I'll just laugh my ass off. That will be fuckign great man.

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wow there are some nice quilts up there now.

It's Scott after a krispy kreme and heroine makeover.

I have no problem with spitting being illegal. What I see wrong with it is the fact that the city doesn't do their part. If we can't spit on the sidewalk then we need to spit in a garbage can and nobody is gonna walk five blocks just to spit in a garbage can. So if they don't want people to spit in the street they better damn well get us some fucking garbage cans. It's not too much to ask for. We need them for garbage anyway.

Yeah but what makes it a really stupid law to have over here is the fact that we don't even have any garbage cans.

I didn't know it was illegal to spit on the sidewalk in Canada. Or anywhere besides Germany.

I mean public spatoons don't even exist here.

oooh now you did it. You called her a morsel.

In related news:
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I don't wanna sound judgemental but you don't seem like someone who enjoys their job very much. You're giving me an urge to illegally distribute software you know. When you love what you do and you're not starving the money doesn't matter. Some people do it because it makes them happy and it makes them happy because it makes other people happy and that's what makes me wanna give them money. Asking students to pay 399$ so you can make a buck.. you must be really angry.

I don't use photoshop ;)



I do agree that others should appreciate the work youve done on it however I think you are making a mistake in expecting people to understand where you're comming from. You should know in advance that they won't. There are probably less than 1% of the world that can relate. This is just one of the challenges you face as a software company. You can't expect anyone else to care. Even if you got everyone in the world to care there will always be a bad apple to ruin it so the challenge is really on your side(well you and your companies).

Also I'd just liek to point out it is more the money that inspires people to use pirated software, not lazyness. It would usually take less time and energy to purchase something than fidn the crack or make a crack. It's also not out of the question that your software wouldn't be as popular or widespread if it weren't for crackers. To say somehting you might find a little twisted.. you should almost be flattered that crackers are cracking your software because all good software is cracked and if it's not cracked one has to wonder if it's any good.

I'm not just saying this because I don't use photshop.. I'd be telling the same thing to anyone who had written a program I use on a daily basis as much as I would appreciate it. Expecting people not to crack would be expecting everyone to be a selfless person. Forget about good or bad.. you're asking people to be selfless. There's nothing wrong with that but the point I'm trying to make is that in the end nobody really cares and 99% will take what's handed to them(often regardless of their own moral views) so the only way to improve the situation(at least as I believe) is from within the company and people who will benefit from it's success.

Expecting people not to rip your software would be like leaving 1000$ on a bench, going across the street to get a sandwich and expecting the money to still be there when you get back. Anyone would take it, it doesn't take a bad person.
You just have to accept that most people will take it for free or come up with new and innovative ways of protecting it. A softwafe giant like Macromedia doesn't need or necessarily deserve our money. To show my appreciation I'd rather look up the exact people who worked on the software and send them money directly.

Bear robot rescues wounded troops




1. Teddy bear face designed to be reassuring
2. Hydraulic upper body carries up to 227kgs (500lbs)
3. When kneeling tracked "legs" travel over rubble. Switches to wheels on smooth surfaces
4. Dynamic Balance Behaviour (DBB) technology allows the robot to stand and carry loads upright on its ankles, knees or hips for nearly an hour

The US military is developing a robot with a teddy bear-style head to help carry injured soldiers away from the battlefield.
The Battlefield Extraction Assist Robot (BEAR) can scoop up even the heaviest of casualties and transport them over long distances over rough terrain.

New Scientist magazine reports that the "friendly appearance" of the robot is designed to put the wounded at ease.

It is expected to be ready for testing within five years.

While it is important to get medical attention for injured soldiers as soon as possible, it is often difficult and dangerous for their comrades to reach them and carry them back.

The 6ft tall Bear can cross bumpy ground without toppling thanks to a combination of gyroscopes and computer controlled motors to maintain balance.

It is also narrow enough to squeeze through doorways, but can lift 135kg with its hydraulic arms in a single smooth movement, to avoid causing pain to wounded soldiers.

While the existing prototype slides its arms under its burden like a forklift, future versions will be fitted with manoeuvrable hands to gently scoop up casualties.

The Bear is controlled remotely and has cameras and microphones through which an operator sees and hears.

It can even tackle stairs while carrying a human-sized dummy.

Daniel Theobald, the president of Vecna Technologies, which is developing the robot for the US Army, said: "We saw a need for a robot that can essentially go where a human can. The robot will be an integral part of a military team."

Gary Gilbert, from the US Army's Telemedicine and Advanced Technology Research Centre in Frederick, Maryland, said that the teddy bear appearance was deliberate.

"A really important thing when you're dealing with casualties is trying to maintain that human touch."

Vecna is working on other potential applications for the robot technology - including helping move heavy patients in hospital.

LOL. That was unexpected.

That's ridiculous. Where do you get this stuff from? I'm not even gonna bother arguing with stupid shit like that anymore, it's a total waste of time.

I'm sorry, I'm just in a pissy mood this morning.

The previous government doesn't have anything to do with promises made by Harper in 2006.

Next pigs will fly.

Well not only that.. basically what Harper said about Canada going into economic depression if they meet their targets is complete and utter bullshit worthy of the bullshit hall of fame.

I will try to find the article detailing the costs and bullshit..

Irish rocker-turned-activist Bob Geldof is accusing Canada, among all G8 nations, of playing the role of "blocker" to progress in Africa.


His comments come as various anti-poverty groups urge Group of 8 leaders to take bold action on global poverty, ahead of this week's G8 summit in the Baltic resort of Heiligendamm, Germany.

"It's a bizarre circumstance. Especially today when Prime Minister (Stephen) Harper in Berlin was boasting in a speech that Canada was the most successful of the G8 nations in terms of the economy for the tenth year running," Geldof told CTV Newsnet in a phone interview on Monday.

Summit host and German Chancellor Angela Merkel is expected to ask G8 leaders to reiterate a 2005 pledge to double development aid by 2010.

Geldof said Canada's aid contribution of $160 million falls far short of the $623 million it needs to contribute this year in order to fulfill that pledge.

He also said Harper promised in January 2006 that Canada would maintain the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) average for international aid -- which is 0.46 per cent of gross national income.

"The OECD is the overarching body that everyone agrees should monitor their economies, all the governments agree on that. Point in fact, Canada is way behind the OECD average which is 0.46. Canada is about 0.3," said Geldof.

"So you have one of the richest nations on the planet deliberately breaking their word and thereby killing the poorest."

Harper said the allegations are "false." Without elaborating, he said Canada is on the right track to honour a pledge to double aid to Africa by 2010.

Geldof said Canada isn't alone in its failure to keep its word. He said Italy is "tucking in under Canada's coattails."

"The excuse they have is that their economy is really doing very badly, but that hides the fact that this year they will see 2.4 per cent growth from almost nothing, and they have got an unexpected tax windfall of $10-billion euros."

This isn't the first time the federal government's foreign aid commitment has come under fire from a high-profile celebrity.

In May, 2006, U2 front man and human rights crusader Bono criticized the Harper government for not increasing foreign aid. He said many lives are depending on Canada's government to keep its promises.

Environmentalists panned Prime Minister Stephen Harper's pitch on intensity-based targets as a solution for a looming climate impasse at the G8.


"Not only is it embarrassing for Canada because we're going to be selling something that doesn't work, it will be problematic for the planet because we're pushing something that doesn't work," said Julia Langer of the World Wildlife Fund in Ottawa on Monday.

In Germany ahead of the G8 summit that begins Wednesday, Harper told a business audience that Canada will not meet its Kyoto targets.

Harper blamed the previous Liberal government for failing to effectively address climate change.

"Frankly, up to now, our country has been engaged in a lot of 'talking the talk,' but not, `walking the walk,' when it comes to greenhouse gases," he said.

"Our predecessors in government committed our country to the Kyoto protocol ... and then they did nothing to achieve this goal."

The Conservative party's predecessors vigorously opposed Kyoto and Harper himself once vowed to kill it. The Liberal government tabled a plan in April 2005 (Kyoto was globally ratified in February 2005) that it claimed would have made Canada Kyoto-compliant, but the Conservatives shelved it after taking power in early 2006.

The prime minister claimed Canada's economy could face devastation if it attempted to cut its emissions six per cent below 1990 levels, as called for in Kyoto. Under the latest Conservative plan, Canada won't achieve its Kyoto target until 2025 instead of 2012.

But Harper said his government has a solution that the entire planet can follow -- intensity-based greenhouse-gas reduction targets.

The intensity system calls for less pollution per unit of production but has been widely blasted by environmentalists who say it offers no absolute guarantees that emissions will ever go down.

For example, Canada's economy grew by 47 per cent between 1990 and 2003, but GHG rose more slowly -- they went up by 27 per cent. That's a more intensive use of energy. But overall emissions still went up.

Scientists say GHG emissions must start coming down in absolute terms.

"An intensity-based plan -- in and of itself -- just doesn't deliver the goods," Environment Minister John Baird told Newsnet from Berlin. "If it's an intensity-based plan, it's got to be twice as tough to deliver the goods."

He said the government's plan will reduce industrial GHG emissions by 33 per cent. Combined with other initiatives, emissions should go down by 20 per cent, Baird added.

Intensity-based targets were also part of previous Liberal plans.

While few governments support the system, Harper said it would allow countries like China and India to join in climate-change efforts without having to sacrifice their economies.

"We cannot afford to have the world divided on this issue, to pit right against left, Europe against America, or the developed countries against the developing world," he said.

"We need a plan that takes into account both different starting points and different national circumstances, but that moves us all towards a common destination."

India and China both signed and ratified the Kyoto Protocol. As developing countries, they were exempted from having to make cuts in the treaty's first phase, but were expected to agree to cuts in the post-Kyoto treaty.

China has released a climate policy statement, making it clear that economic growth would not be sacrificed to cut GHG emissions.

The Climate Action Network released an open letter to Harper asking him to commit to keeping the global temperature rise below two degrees Celsius and set GHG reduction targets to make that possible.

Harper described climate change as "perhaps the biggest threat to confront the future of humanity today," but he didn't endorse the two-degree target in his speech.

U.S. pressured

Harper's position on intensity-based targets is very close to that of the United States.

On Monday, the European Union, the United Nations and G8 president Germany urged the United States to stay within the UN system for negotiating a new climate treaty and not start a rival process.

Bush -- who refused to ratify the Kyoto Protocol in 2001 -- unveiled a plan that would see the world's top 15 emitters meet and agree to new measures by 2008.

The UN-sponsored process meets in Bali, Indonesia in December. EU countries fear the Bush plan could sabotage that effort.

The EU wants Bush to either integrate his proposals with the UN process or clearly signal he does not intend to compete with it.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the G8 president, wants the declaration expected at the summit's conclusion on June 8 to call for a 50 per cent cut in GHGs by 2050 and to limit the Earth's temperature rise to two degrees Celsius

However, she has suggested unanimity on those points appears unlikely. The U.S. opposes both the two-degree target and the reduction target.

On Monday, Harper, Merkel, and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso issued a joint statement that said: "We are convinced that tackling climate change and ensuring clean, secure and affordable supplies of energy are central, interlinked global challenges."

Merkel said at a news conference she was pleased to hear Harper's suggestions, but she didn't offer any specific endorsement of his plan.

Question period

During question period on Monday, Deputy Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff accused the government of watering down its commitments instead of pressing for a global action plan.

"It's not pushing for a long-term approach. It's pushing for an approach outside of the Kyoto framework," Ignatieff said.

"What I want to know is whether the government will stand up and commit to Chancellor Merkel's plan for long-term action on global climate change?" he asked.

Government House Leader Peter van Loan responded by shifting the blame to the Liberals.

"We're very much committed to taking action on greenhouse gases," he said. "We're doing this notwithstanding having to dig ourselves out of a deep hole after many years of neglect."

NDP Leader Jack Layton echoed Ignatieff's call for the Conservatives to commit to the objectives outlined by Merkel. "The fact is the world is watching this G8 summit. The children of the world are watching," he said.

"The question is: Are we going to get action? Yes or no?" he said.

Van Loan rejected suggestions Harper hadn't taken a stand against climate change.

"Absolutely we're getting action for the first time in well over a decade on greenhouse gases with a plan that requires a reduction in our emissions by 60 to 70 per cent in greenhouse gases by 2050," he responded.

A recent analysis by the Pembina Institute said the Tories' targets are weak because they use 2006 as a baseline, not the international standard of 1990. In addition, the think tank said the plan is riddled with loopholes.

The European Union has set a target of a 20 per cent cut below 1990 levels by 2020. The Pembina Institute said the Tories' 2020 target is equivalent to being two per cent above the 1990 baseline.

The Tories say they will cut emissions by 20 per cent by 1990, but that's using 2006 as a baseline.

The Deutsche Bank has also concluded the Tories' plan will not achieve its mid-term targets.

With a report from CTV's Graham Richardson and files from The Canadian Press

The Canadian Safety Council has problems with legislation before Parliament designed to crack down on drug-impaired drivers.





"I think it is driven by hype. I think it is driven by politics," the council's Emile Therrien told CTV News on Monday.

The bill introduced by the Conservative government gives police powers to take blood or urine samples if they suspect someone behind the wheel is high.

The council estimates that 500,000 Canadians in any given year toke and drive.

But there is no foolproof test for drug impairment in the way that a breathalyzer can detect if someone is over the legal limit.

"It is very difficult to establish the scientific basis or the technology to establish impairment levels for these drugs," Therrien said.

Defence lawyers say that testing for the mere presence of a drug could lead to wrongful convictions.

"What may show up in their urine or their blood will be remnants of THC that is evidence the person smoked marijuana -- when? That day? Two days (ago)? Three days?" said defence lawyer Lawrence Greenspon.

He doesn't think the legislation would withstand a constitutional challenge.

Mothers Against Drunk Driving defend the bill and say it is necessary.

"It will help reduce the number of deaths and injuries on the highways and Canadians will be safer," said MADD president Karen Dunham.

Justice Minister Rob Nicholson is confident the technological challenges can be overcome.

"We've had a look at the science and we are confident that this will work," he said.

Opposition MPs are not convinced.

"We should perhaps not be saying they have the right to demand whether it is a urine or a blood sample," said Joe Comartin, the NDP's justice critic.

"Presumably there are empirical ways to prove people are drug impaired. We have yet to see it," added Liberal MP Brian Murphy.

Robert Fife, CTV's Ottawa bureau chief, said opposition will likely support the bill despite their reservations. No party wants to be accused of being soft on impaired driving.

The council said the best approach to combat drug driving is to get the provinces to invoke administrative license suspensions as they do with drivers who have imbibed alcohol but are not over the legal limit.

If police suspect someone is under the influence of drugs they could take their license for 24 hours.

With a report from CTV's Robert Fife

I think it's only for Denver, Las Vegas, Miami, New York and San Francisco. Maybe they'll add more.

I'm going to Las Vegas, see you guys later.


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You can't use street view for Montreal at all. It's available for San Francisco and New York.. maybe more.

Italy inmates seek death penalty
By Christian Fraser
BBC News, Rome



Italian prisons hold hundreds of people serving life sentences
Hundreds of prisoners serving life sentences in Italy have called on President Giorgio Napolitano to bring back the death penalty.

Their request was published as a letter in the daily newspaper La Repubblica.

Italy has almost 1,300 prisoners serving life terms, of whom 200 have served more than 20 years.

Italy has been at the forefront of the fight against capital punishment and recently lobbied the UN Security Council to table a moratorium on it.

But at home some of the country's longest serving prisoners want the death penalty re-introduced.

'Light into shadows'

The letter they sent to President Napolitano came from a convicted mobster, Carmelo Musumeci, a 52-year-old who has been in prison for 17 years.

It was co-signed by 310 of his fellow lifers.

Musumeci said he was tired of dying a little bit every day.

We want to die just once, he said, and "we are asking for our life sentence to be changed to a death sentence".

It was a candid letter written by a man who, from within his cell, has tried hard to change his life.

He has passed his high school exams and now has a degree in law. But his sentence, he says, has transformed the light into shadows.

He told the president his future was the same as his past, killing the present and removing every hope.

'Need for change'

Italy abolished the death penalty after World War II.

Under current laws, prisoners serving life can obtain the right to brief periods of release after 10 years and conditional release after 26 years of good conduct.

The Communist Refoundation party's senator, Maria Luisa Boccia, has proposed draft legislation to abolish the life sentence and replace it with a maximum sentence of 30 years.

The president has spoken many times about the need to change the sentencing regime.

But in his response to the letter, he said it was now for parliament and the government to deal with the prisoners' request.

Jordan is jesus, jesus.

Click on the "Street view" option and then when the little guy appears on the map click on him. A window will appear with a view of the street. You will see direction arrows going either way, click on the arrows to navigate.

Wow that's fucking cool.. if you click the direction arrows you're basically driving down the street. It's like a virtual vacation.

Or fear.

Wow that's some twisted accusation. First of all I didn't contradict myself. I was reffering to chrisitanity(not all religion) within the period of time that you were reffering to in the post that I was responding to. I was reffering to what a few bad people did. Now that you just repeated everything I said about that point in time you claim that it's the origin of religion. Wow. Religion didn't start there and neither did christianity. I don't know how you got this idea but its ridiculous and most people would laugh at you. Hard. How can you claim to know about the history of those times if you don't even know that they were trying to convert people who were already the followers of other religions? Even the christians faced prosecution at the hands of other religions at points. Stop talking about christianity like it's the only religion that ever existed.

It's almost as stupid as creationism to believe that. You're a few hundred thousand years off.

Well it's fair enough that you consider faith and schizophrenia diseases but how will you get rid of them? What's the use of believing in this solution if what you say can never be implemented by anyone?

I will watch Jesus Camp.. but I'm telling you right now it won't change a thing because it can't possibly. You keep pointing out a few bad apples. I can point out a few bad satanists and atheists too, it doesn't change anything in the grande scheme of things. Since when were all psychos and abusive individuals religious? Do you listen to every moronic satanist out there? You believe in the basic principle but do you agree and believe in every line that an influential satanist fed you?

I've spent a shitload of time in my life putting christianity down, I hate it as much as you do. Attacking the innocent people who believe in it isn't gonna get you anywhere but down - and it won't work out for the good of the world either. Most of all, these 3 religions are.. only 3 religions.

what you say about how you don't want to enforce your belief on others but want to destroy them instead... think about what happens after they're destroyed and how you're gonna keep them at bay from believing again. Even if it was possible to get to that point, you'd have no choice but to enforce your belief on other people to prevent a resurgence of religon.

That makes you religious. Since when is religion defined by whether you believe there's a dude in the sky? You don't have to have a deity to be a relgion. You have a set of morals and beliefs based on a philosophy written by someone else as you've just so clearly stated. There is NOTHING not religious about satanism.. nothing that isn't just as dangerous.

What exactly makes you think that outlawing religion itself would be any different from other religious people outlawing other relgions? How do you define a religion in the first place? Are you just gonna kill anyone who believes in anything? Such as you? What so different about outlawing the worship of a dude in the sky and outlawing the worship of idols? Why the HELL would a war started by satanists and non-religious be any better than a war by someone religious?

It would be the middle ages all over again except led by satanists this time. You talk about ending this shit, you just don't have a clue how. You really need to read more about history. It's just not gonna work. You're tlaking about ending the very cycle you'd be stregthening. But like millions of other people you believe that your cause is different and more just and that therefor it should work. It's completely illogical. You said you value logic over relgion so if for nothing else you should at least see that. You have no clue how idealistic and wrong you're being in thinking that this could help the world.

If you tell any relgious person in the world that their religion is bad and evil and promotes bad values... and point them out where and why.. I promise they won't stop believing in it. Because what you don't realise is people in general just aren't that stupid. if you believe in something you know what you believe, everything has a good side and a bad side and good poeple and bad people, there are countless contradictions in these 3 religions. Poeple who really believe that they should "love thy neighbour" are NOT gonna agree with bombing them. People can put these peices together themselves. What you present to us is just proof of how some very few and far between people with alterior motives use a persons belief to their advantage, nothing else.

You are the same, you just call yourself by a different name.

Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Anglo-French religiun, Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY
1 a : the state of a religious b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith