Basdini'S Secret
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sat Jun 4, 2011 @ 10:49am |
 Coolness: 106205 | Originally Posted By BASDINI
you mean in spain and greece? No I mean country's like Denmark, Canada, Norway, Australia, the Netherlands... I could go on but I'M sure you know the rest. Basdini, I'm sure ( I hope) when you think of the right, you aren't taking your inspiration from the very recent examples history has left us like Hitler/Mussolini, Bush/Chaney, every military government in south America and the middle east... Both the left and the right have terrible examples of abuse and totalitarianism. Find just one example where the right has created a favorable environment for humans to live in. The right has traditionally been about propping up monarchies and protecting corrupt aristocracies. If you feel fine about getting behind that... Update » databoy wrote on Sat Jun 4, 2011 @ 11:15am ...About why capitalism should subordinate itself to socialism. Because peoples are still more important than money. (for some) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sun Jun 5, 2011 @ 1:17am |
 Coolness: 145290 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
No I mean country's like Denmark, Canada, Norway, Australia, the Netherlands... I could go on but I'M sure you know the rest. Basdini, I'm sure ( I hope) when you think of the right, you aren't taking your inspiration from the very recent examples history has left us like Hitler/Mussolini, Bush/Chaney, every military government in south America and the middle east... Both the left and the right have terrible examples of abuse and totalitarianism. Find just one example where the right has created a favorable environment for humans to live in. The right has traditionally been about propping up monarchies and protecting corrupt aristocracies. If you feel fine about getting behind that... Oh so you would pin fascism on the right?? personally i don't care cause I know that's not what I'm about but many people would dissagree with you I don't care about the totalitarianism as such, the reason i pointed out the Soviet union and communist china was because they were inefficient and un workable...that's why the soviet union collapsedm mostly, it was just creaking under it's own weight... see this is just it, i don't think that socialists are motivated by bad intentions (i don't think they want to do evil) in fact i think they are motivated by some of the most noble feelings humanity has ever had (brotherhood, opposition to opression, fairness, equality), i just think what they do in the world translates into suffering and in efficiency and ultimately un happiness...for me it's not a moral issue it's more of a 'technical' one, it's almost not even political. I just think leftist are wrong they believe things that aren't true and subsequently have the wrong ideas, just go back to your critical thinking/logic class from Uni and remember once you believe something that's not true and begin predicating things on it (that is making implications based on it) there is no limit to where you will go, literally it's all fantasy, this applies to many things, science as whole not just economics... I think that leftist conceptions about the nature of economics and markets is becoming less and less tenable and has been for the last 40-50 years, because the people who are interested in free markets have Game Theory on their side which allows us to mathematically model markets and even make predictions concerning strategies and outcomes, I don't think a lot of people on the left have really taken to heart the lesson of John Nash and other game theorists... ...About why capitalism should subordinate itself to socialism. Because peoples are still more important than money. (for some) you see, you can't even have this discussion without saying i'm selfish and cruel, why do you have to moralize this? Is your argument so weak that you are un able to say anything more than 'you're just evil', i haven't said that about any socialist or leftist in this thread or anywhere really, cause I don't think it's a moral issue, again, i think the left is wrong for more 'technical reason'... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead replied on Sun Jun 5, 2011 @ 4:10am |
 Coolness: 75760 | Originally Posted By BASDINI
like clarence thomas once said 'the dirty little secret about freedom is that if you want it, you re really on your own" wait a second... you're quoting Clarence Thomas? The judge who had to fight his way through sexual harassment charges to make it to the Supreme Court... is a supporter of the death penalty, anti-abortion and believes that the fourth amendment's protection against unreasonable search and seizure doesn't apply to police brutality? ...and no one's called you on this? no wonder this argument isn't over yet. |
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| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sun Jun 5, 2011 @ 4:58am |
| Coolness: 145290 | lol
just cause he is wrong about those things doesnt mean he is wrong about everything, he is after all a supreme court judge... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead replied on Sun Jun 5, 2011 @ 9:59am |
| Coolness: 75760 | Originally Posted By BASDINI
just cause he is wrong about those things doesnt mean he is wrong about everything, he is after all a supreme court judge... Clarification here... a George H. Bush appointed Supreme Court judge who tows the line on the sort of liberties the government likes to trample upon - or would like to trample upon in the future... One of the most lasting ways that an administration can leave the stench of their taint on a country for a period that extends well beyond their term is to place guys like Thomas on the Supreme Court. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Mon Jun 6, 2011 @ 12:05am |
 Coolness: 108895 | I don't know if Americans (I don't know the translation for États-Uniens) passed the law but it was on the table at some point: that no one could escape debts (or is it a portion of them) through bankruptcy.
Marvelous! Next they would got back to the good ol' times where the children forcibly inherited their parents debts. Then maybe install an anti-suicide chip à la Terminator in those inheritors. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Mon Jun 6, 2011 @ 1:06am |
| Coolness: 145290 | they did change the bankruptcy laws under bush which was kinda gay...makes it harder to declare bankruptcy... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Mon Jun 6, 2011 @ 12:02pm |
| Coolness: 106205 | Originally Posted By BASDINI
I think that leftist conceptions about the nature of economics and markets is becoming less and less tenable and has been for the last 40-50 years, because the people who are interested in free markets have Game Theory on their side which allows us to mathematically model markets and even make predictions concerning strategies and outcomes, I don't think a lot of people on the left have really taken to heart the lesson of John Nash and other game theorists... You speak as if the economic management theories and models that characterize the right are based in irrefutable fact. Basically the "invisible hand of the economy", the basis of the American style of management so dear to the right has been debunked as no more than magic thinking. The "Homo economicus", an other idea dear to the right has also been challenged by the "real" scientist on the field. So for the pas 100 years, the right has been recycling bits and peaces of history and social sciences and pure science to justify inequity's between humans. But these theories fall apart when you consider all the parameters. One parameter that has been systematically ignored is the environment. Considering that infinite profit is possible, should be law, or is even a good thing, is in fact THE bankrupt idea behind capitalism. How about that one country where the right has created a favorable place for humans? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» pencapchew replied on Mon Jun 6, 2011 @ 12:17pm |
 Coolness: 35680 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
Considering that infinite profit is possible, should be law, or is even a good thing, is in fact THE bankrupt idea behind capitalism. exactly, if capitalism is growth based what happens when we have no more room to grow |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Mon Jun 6, 2011 @ 1:06pm |
| Coolness: 145290 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
You speak as if the economic management theories and models that characterize the right are based in irrefutable fact. Basically the "invisible hand of the economy", the basis of the American style of management so dear to the right has been debunked as no more than magic thinking. The "Homo economicus", an other idea dear to the right has also been challenged by the "real" scientist on the field. So for the pas 100 years, the right has been recycling bits and peaces of history and social sciences and pure science to justify inequity's between humans. But these theories fall apart when you consider all the parameters. One parameter that has been systematically ignored is the environment. Considering that infinite profit is possible, should be law, or is even a good thing, is in fact THE bankrupt idea behind capitalism. How about that one country where the right has created a favorable place for humans? dude you don't know anything about game theory do you? |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Mon Jun 6, 2011 @ 1:21pm |
| Coolness: 106205 | Using models to predict the future... like astrology. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Mon Jun 6, 2011 @ 1:32pm |
| Coolness: 145290 | tell that to goldman sachs, their models are making them hundreds of millions of dollars a year through programed trading bots...astrology huh? the predictions come true that's what counts, it's the mark of a real science |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Mon Jun 6, 2011 @ 1:43pm |
| Coolness: 106205 | The hundreds of millions of dollars is what counts.
;-) nothing else. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Mon Jun 6, 2011 @ 1:53pm |
| Coolness: 145290 | well here we are man back to the useless moralizations by leftists,
so i guess you admit your re wrong? that you don't know what you re talking about? no? didn't think so... here is a fun question... is the economy like a machine that can be tinkered with or are economic laws like the forces of nature (the tides and the winds)? see, how you answer this question really determines what kind of a person you are... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Mon Jun 6, 2011 @ 2:11pm |
| Coolness: 106205 | Does Goldman Sachs care about anything else than money? Its not a moral judgment, its a fact.
The imperative of creating profit at any cost is the fatal flaw in this system. It is a theory that is noxious in application and is not like ether a machine or the sea. Its like a virus. A lifeless yet ever changing entity whose only goal is replication is spite of his environment. Basdini, you are quite good at dodging questions, is it cus you don't have the answer? Or cus it doesn't sit well with your theories? |
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| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Jun 6, 2011 @ 2:16pm |
 Coolness: 685680 | this thread:
one after the other after the other after the other.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Mon Jun 6, 2011 @ 2:18pm |
| Coolness: 108895 | so what is economy? are humans to act like lions and chimpanzees, the best parts for the leader, good parts for the strong, scrapes for females and the weak and crumbs for infants? do we make the analogy for the ultra rich, the super rich, the rich, and rest being us? isn't there something extremely wrong when charts had a top 5% & 1% and now there's a new pole position 0.5 or 0.1% (I don't remember)?
there used to be a different system of power which was monarchy and it became capitalism, not without effort, which allowed more people to have a shot at power ; when will effort be spent to allow a new system so more people have a chance at power and perhaps have a less steep pyramid of that power? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Sparklz replied on Mon Jun 6, 2011 @ 2:19pm |
 Coolness: 113485 | I LOVE how he just walks away like nothing fucking happened after that. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Mon Jun 6, 2011 @ 2:24pm |
 Coolness: 158860 | Originally Posted By SPARKLZ
I LOVE how he just walks away like nothing fucking happened after that. Looks high as fuck, that probably helps. He'll sure feel that in the morning  |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Sparklz replied on Mon Jun 6, 2011 @ 2:32pm |
| Coolness: 113485 | Originally Posted By MASA
Looks high as fuck, that probably helps. He'll sure feel that in the morning
hahahahah, probably :P |
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