Technics Are Stopping Production On 1200'S And 1210'S
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue Dec 1, 2009 @ 1:35pm |
 Coolness: 339775 | Originally Posted By EL_LEADER_MAXIMO
Vinyl ain't dying. In fact, vinyl sales are thru the roof these days! They will soon outsell cds. That's a stupid thing to say since Compact Disks are a dying format, everyone's just downloading their music now. For sure Vinyl sales are way lower than MP3/Wav sales. I can buy a track online for $2 and have great sound quality, or I can spend $10-20 on a vinyl record.. Sure I get a few remixes of the track, but who says I want 3 different remixes of the same track if only 1 of them is any good? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Dec 1, 2009 @ 3:04pm |
 Coolness: 685700 | Originally Posted By NEOFORM
That's a stupid thing to say since Compact Disks are a dying format, everyone's just downloading their music now. For sure Vinyl sales are way lower than MP3/Wav sales. Oddly enough, unit-wise Vinyl sold more than CDs this year.. It's to the point where Linn, a major audiophile quality gear company, is stopping production on it's CD players, but not it's turntables. http://www.avguide.com/blog/linn-products-announce-the-death-cd?src=Playback |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Zimmermau5 replied on Tue Dec 1, 2009 @ 4:01pm |
 Coolness: 77470 | Originally Posted By DEADFUNK
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Dec 1, 2009 @ 4:04pm |
| Coolness: 685700 | Originally Posted By DEADFUNK
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Wed Dec 2, 2009 @ 12:05pm |
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Oddly enough, unit-wise Vinyl sold more than CDs this year.. LOL, you have a source for that info? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Wed Dec 2, 2009 @ 12:45pm |
| Coolness: 685700 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
LOL, you have a source for that info? I don't remember where I found the numbers, but a little Google can go a long way towards finding stuff, like how the Virgin stores are going back to vinyl because it tends to sell 70-80% more than CDs: [ www.vinylrecords.co.uk ] (and this was in 2006) Another article; the original is gone from the site but someone posted it on a forum in whole: [ thumped.com ] Back in the groove (14 May 2006)
Technology Editor Tony Glover reports how in the iPod age the record industry is going forward by returning to the days of vinyl BESET by digital piracy and increasing customer reluctance to pay for CDs, the music industry is fighting back with its latest technology – black vinyl records. Music labels and high street retailers are busy turning back the industry’s clock to a time not only before internet song downloads, but also before CDs or even audio cassettes. The irony is that the vinyl revolution is being led by teenage consumers who are prepared to stand in line for the latest 45 rpm single or 331/3rpm LP (long-playing record) in much the same way that their parents, or in some cases their grandparents, did. According to Rob Campkin, the head of Music at Virgin Megastores, vinyl is now outselling CDs when it comes to the latest records. “Up to 70% of sales of new releases are vinyl. The fans of popular new rock bands like Arctic Monkeys and The Raconteurs prefer vinyl to CD,” said Campkin. “When the Raconteurs’ latest single was released, 80% of high-street sales were for seven-inch vinyl and only 20% were for CDs.” “We are not just talking about vinyl singles but also about albums – the format is just continuing to grow,” said HMV spokesman Gennaro Castaldo. The trend is born out by figures from record industry body, the British Phonographic Industry (BPI). According to the BPI’s findings, vinyl records are a technology that has come back from the brink of extinction to take the industry by storm. Between 2001 and 2005, annual sales of vinyl single in the UK rose sixfold to over 1m, accounting for 14.7% of all physical singles sales in 2005, up from 12.2% in 2004. The industry expects vinyl figures for the current year to be even more dramatic. The vinyl revolution has caught many of the big music labels napping. It is the smaller independent labels who have been able to snap up successful new bands. This has left big players in the industry, such as EMI, scratching their heads and wondering why teenagers are embracing a technology the music industry had dismissed as outdated and obsolete before most of them were born. Record labels like EMI are finding themselves losing the next generation of music stars to upstart labels like Domino Records, which handles hit bands Franz Ferdinand and Arctic Monkeys, and Rough Trade, which handles The Strokes and rock music’s latest human disaster area, Pete Doherty. According to Virgin’s Campkin, the smaller independents have one key advantage over the larger labels as far as the artists are concerned. “The independent labels will release material on vinyl where the more established are more reluctant to do this,” said Campkin. One reason for this situation is believed to be that the mainstream music industry has forsaken vinyl to the extent that there is now no big vinyl processing plant in the UK. This means that the discs must be pressed offshore and that a large number of new vinyl recordings are limited editions that quickly become collectors’ items. This type of operation, where limited pressings are carried out by factories in other countries, is better suited to the independent labels than to the more established players. Virgin also reports a trend where fans will buy the CD when it is released and will wait weeks or months until the vinyl release before buying that as well. Some vinyl albums, such as the last White Stripes release, continue to sell consistently for months. In addition to the new releases, retailers Virgin and HMV report a growing demand for classic pop records on vinyl from artists such as The Rolling Stones and Bob Dylan. Market research has shown that these new releases of older material are often being bought by younger customers, just as older “baby boomers” are increasingly augmenting their collections with LPs from modern artists such as the White Stripes. “The original baby boomers, who are now in their fifties, are not only buying classic pop records by the Beatles or the Stones but are also adding new artists from the independent labels to their collections,’ said HMV’s Castaldo. According to Virgin’s Campkin, one major reason for the renewed popularity of vinyl is its collectability, which operates on two levels. On one level, collectability means seeing the value of a 99 pence (E1.43, $1.73) single CD increases 50-fold in a single year. “The first 7-inch single release from Arctic Monkeys, which came out a year ago, is now selling on eBay for £50-£60,” said Campkin. He added that the second sort of collectability is the desire to own a record collection of one’s own. “Vinyl is far more iconic in this respect,” said Campkin. “The record sleeve offers the consumer art work as well as information about the performers and song lyrics.” Some well-known music figures believe that the industry did itself irreparable damage when it switched to CDs 20 years ago. Roger Daltrey, lead singer of 1960s supergroup The Who, said in a recent interview: “The record labels sold everybody a white elephant with the CD. They pushed it over as being this wonderful musical formula that you can play forever that sounds better and is scratch proof. None of it was true; CDs do not sound as good as vinyl and they last for five minutes.” Like other artists of his generation, Daltrey believes that pop music generally sounds better on vinyl as so much of it was originally developed to be played on the vinyl format rather than on digital equipment. Vinyl enthusiasts say that the bass and vocals on most songs cannot be accurately reproduced on a compressed digital format and that the music inevitably loses something by being reduced to what is essentially just a binary computer code. Daltrey also believes that record sleeves are a key part of the attraction of vinyl. “We threw away an art form that was so much more than the record,” said Daltrey. “The size of the cover was perfect for art work. Sometimes the covers were more important than the music. The more fingerprints you got on it, the more it was a part of you. With a CD, you start with a nice plastic box and end with a scratched plastic box; it has no character whatsoever.” Campkin said: “I think the record sleeve is paramount. With a vinyl album you feel you have spent £10-£15 on something tangible that will last.” Daltrey also believes that it was the switch to CDs that ultimately led to the music labels’ horrendous problems with digital music piracy. “The problem with the CD is that if you can copy what is on it for nothing, as you now can, why would you want to buy it?” Music retailers such as Virgin and HMV are also coming to the conclusion that consumers want a return to a more tangible format. They fear that the logical conclusion to the evolution of digital music is a world without high street music retailers where fans do everything over the internet and download all their music via a PC. Virgin plans to opens a new 25,000 square-foot Virgin Megastore in Manchester’s Arndale shopping centre that it hopes will transform the way consumers perceive record stores. More space than ever will be dedicated to vinyl records and customers will have access to turntable and listening booths in the same way that teenagers did in the 1950s and 1960s. The store will also offer “chill-out” areas with armchairs and sofas where customers can relax and listen to music. Virgin plans to use the same formula in other stores in the hope that it will be able to persuade teenagers to see the megastores as social venues as much as music shops. The company hopes that the strategy will enable it to offer consumers enough added value to head off growing competition from cut-price supermarket CD offers and internet download services. The music retailers do not believe that vinyl will ever entirely replace digital music formats. Instead, they predict that the same fans will often subscribe to both formats by downloading music for their MP3 players and PCs but will also wait for the vinyl release to add that to their permanent record collections. Virgin believes that digital music downloads may not be as big a phenomenon as some the industry anticipates and will account for no more than 10% of the overall market by 2009 and that the appeal of vinyl will continue to grow to shoppers who want to take home something tangible and lasting. Those industry players which do not become part of the vinyl revolution will see their market share decline as smaller nimbler players snap up the new artists and establish brand loyalty with an increasingly vinyl-hungry record buying public. The sad part is, though, that digital downloads are still outnumbering every format combined; Vinyl, CD, DVD-A and SACD.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Dec 2, 2009 @ 1:38pm |
| Coolness: 339775 | Why is that sad? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Wed Dec 2, 2009 @ 1:48pm |
| Coolness: 685700 | because even the best quality MP3 you can get is shit quality and compressed, and most people get the MP3s instead of FLAC or WAV because MP3 is the format that your grandparents have heard about. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JEE3.14_agricole replied on Wed Dec 2, 2009 @ 1:49pm |
 Coolness: 107345 | most ppl who get mp3 format do it because its lighter.. WAV is l33t but very annoying to transfer/ backup |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Wed Dec 2, 2009 @ 1:51pm |
| Coolness: 106225 | Cus here in Montreal, if you walk into any music retailer (Archambault, HMV, Future Shop) you will be lucky to find any vinyls at all, however you'll find racks of cd's.
Maybe its a UK thing. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Wed Dec 2, 2009 @ 2:47pm |
 Coolness: 131705 | Originally Posted By NEOFORM
Why is that sad? because some people dont even hear the cheap quality of mp3 or any compressed audio format for that matter, and we are only scratching the surface, r&d money , and making tons of cheap mp3 players toss in garbage , then exported back to dumptowns in china . etc.. but mostly its about it not even being a real time complete phase quality music player. (compressed dec/encoders) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Daf replied on Wed Dec 2, 2009 @ 2:55pm |
 Coolness: 185465 | haha yeah
like my friend showing off is 500$ headphones, but to listen to is mp3 player? i was confuse, what's the point in paying so much in headphones, if it's to listen to mp3s? haha mp3 are useful, but that's pretty much it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Wed Dec 2, 2009 @ 2:58pm |
| Coolness: 131705 | well , maybe so he can figure it out by himself (thats considering he has good hearing up to it too) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Turtle replied on Wed Dec 2, 2009 @ 3:29pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ufot replied on Wed Dec 2, 2009 @ 3:29pm |
 Coolness: 93210 | I duno, 320mp3s and FlACs are fine IMHO... going mobile with portable HDs is way easier and lighter than trucking records, I did it for years and in some ways I miss it... and in a lot of other ways I dont....
Ufot-move to the future or stay in the past |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Wed Dec 2, 2009 @ 3:41pm |
| Coolness: 685700 | Originally Posted By UFOT
I duno, 320mp3s and FlACs are fine IMHO... going mobile with portable HDs is way easier and lighter than trucking records, I did it for years and in some ways I miss it... and in a lot of other ways I dont.... Ufot-move to the future or stay in the past I got a 320gig portable drive, gonna be doing the same thing if I know there's Serato at a party hehe... 320s are passable, but FLAC I think is the way to go.. The difference between the two: MP3 gives you a smaller file-size by stripping out frequencies in the "inaudible" range of human hearing. The problem with that is that even if we don't hear that frequency, it still affects the rest of the sound.. We don't hear it, but the speaker still vibrates it, which generates harmonics. FLAC doesn't remove frequencies - it's a data-compression format that's tailored to compress audio; it's like a ZIP or an RAR, but with a specific algorythm for audio-data compression, so when you get a FLAC, you're getting essentially a ZIP'd/RAR'd WAV. The comparison that ScottyP did a while back; FLAC isn't on the list, but FLAC is just a WAV that's data-compressed, so if you look at the Uncompressed Wave's analysis, you're looking at a FLAC:  |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Wed Dec 2, 2009 @ 3:43pm |
 Coolness: 158880 | Yeah, FLACs are great, but what player actually support 'em?
I got a decent pair of headphones and a decent mp3 player, with decent mp3s = I'm happy. But vinyls DO have that special extra. <3 |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Dec 2, 2009 @ 3:54pm |
| Coolness: 339775 | I'll bet anyone here $100 that none of you can tell the difference between an 320kbps MP3 and a WAV file (by doing a pepsi-challenge type test where you listen to both files and tell me which one is which). |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Wed Dec 2, 2009 @ 3:58pm |
| Coolness: 685700 | So when can you come over? I could use the cash. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Wed Dec 2, 2009 @ 4:07pm |
| Coolness: 158880 | Nice Screwhead, thanks for that lil tidbit of info :)
And yeah Neo, I'll make it 50, but you're on. My headphones though. |
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