Is The Underground Over ?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Thu Jan 22, 2009 @ 3:01pm |
 Coolness: 106130 | If you are spinning a genre that has been recuperated by the mainstream, chances are you will have an easier time getting paid. If you are spinning say... breakcore, the paying gigs may be few and far between. Why is it that one the more passionate producers I know spends hours and hours putting every little sound bite in order to make a song? Certainly not because he is lazy. Certainly not because he isnt good, he is actually one of the best musicians i know.
I guess dj's are a different story, but lets take musicians for example. For a rock/metal/emo/whatever type of band to produce an album and a show, it will most likely take a couple of years of hard work, not to mention a few thousand dollars. A minuscule minority of the underground musicians will ever make enough money to pay a month's rent. Not because they arnt good (though sometimes they do suck) and its not for a lack of trying. Often times, what prevents them from crossing over to the mainstream is there lack of conformity to the already accepted genres. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Turtle replied on Thu Jan 22, 2009 @ 3:29pm |
 Coolness: 68320 | databoy u r well spoken!!! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Thu Jan 22, 2009 @ 4:44pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ApR1zM replied on Fri Jan 23, 2009 @ 3:47am |
 Coolness: 164815 | is the underground over? not its under ! duhhhh |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Fri Jan 23, 2009 @ 4:10am |
 Coolness: 129735 | I say if you're gonna call yourself a dj then get out there and play
If you're a musician get out there and play Don't sit at home waiting for someone to give you a ring or notice you Sure thats "underground" cause no one knows you, but its kindof stupid at the same time Your career is what you make of it How do you think guys like Aphex Twin became known? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Turtle replied on Fri Jan 23, 2009 @ 8:20am |
| Coolness: 68320 | Bliss i get out there promote myself and sweat and buy this record and do that and demo this and demo that give em away promote promote......I am not around!!! I am haveing a hard time getting into a club or getting hired for parties please explain....
If u have an answer for my hard ships please let me know....Some peeps know who i am but not enough if u have an answer for my hard ships as i said explain no works as hard as i do...When it come to my passion.... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Fri Jan 23, 2009 @ 11:12am |
| Coolness: 106130 | Because getting hired has nothing to do with the underground.
Underground doesn't mean "alone in your basement", it means outside of the mainstream. You want underground? The rave scene is underground. At the risk of being seen as a social pariah, peoples from all walks of life come together to partake in an activity no large media will cover, no sponsor will touch. That, for me, is underground. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Turtle replied on Fri Jan 23, 2009 @ 11:30am |
| Coolness: 68320 | for sure databoy, the dozen or so parties i have had played at so called raves or rather what i like to call them parties cause they weren't really raves....I never really played a mainstream club, i can't cause my style doesn't allow me to play that mainstream sound!!!I am not going to change my style just to play mainstream either....which may make it a bit harder to find work as a dj but i am willing.
Anyway i got hired about 3 weeks ago on account of word of mouth...So that was a benifit for me i was amazed....I didn't get paid but i had an open bar. |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly replied on Fri Jan 23, 2009 @ 3:30pm |
 Coolness: 76725 | Christ man, since when was it about fame? About "getting known"? That's not important, you don't have to be well known. You want to succeed, you need to put forth a legacy, you need also to have a few tracks that pay you well. In that case you have some draw, but it's highly unlikely any of us will be doing anything anywhere as different as R.D. James when he started out.
And in order to succeed he put out tons of acid techno under various names including Polygon Window, AFX, whatever. But he wasn't well known. All people knew were the tracks, the music. That's the spin that makes the difference. That's how you stay underground, keep your integrity, and avoid having to become a fucking celebrity. He's only huge today because he did all those remixes. If we were talking about how to succeed and how to get ahead in your career you would have a point Bliss, but you changed the topic. We were talking about the underground. To attack some fictional person who's sitting at home doing nothing is pointless. I don't think anyone involved in this discussion has a lack of exposure either. And if it was directed at me, I'll have you know I'm playing on the 13th of February with other members of the Breakcore scene from Toronto, and I'm involved in promoting yet other events. Why not more often? Because I have a job. Kind of makes it hard to find the time to work on music or gigs. So wait until you actually find some wannabe DJ/Producer who doesn't play out before you start your ignorant attacks. You know, they're right. Ignorance is Bliss. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Teblchple7 replied on Sat Jan 24, 2009 @ 12:40pm |
 Coolness: 44315 | The concept of underground implies some from of self-governing resistance movement; it comes from war and liberation movements. Either that, or it means the London metro system?
In any case, music makes a very late and generally weak grab at the term "underground." The historical context of music and underground had to do with distribution networks and preformance spaces. Punk music with it's counter-culture values. Rave music with it's loud bass. The 60's with a strong anti-war bias. The concept of underground implies a group of people who are into what their doing, a second group of people with more power who aren't, and a third larger group of general indifference who go with the flow. Aesthetic discussion is the icing, everyone seems to be ignoring the cake? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sat Jan 24, 2009 @ 1:15pm |
| Coolness: 106130 | Originally Posted By CONNER_BW
In any case, music makes a very late and generally weak grab at the term "underground." The historical context of music and underground had to do with distribution networks and preformance spaces. // Aesthetic discussion is the icing, everyone seems to be ignoring the cake? Be it late as it may, thats the topic of the thread and I'm pretty sure thats the only "underground" that concerns anyone here. (Unless you work in Montreal's underground city of course) The word "Underground" here in context means subculture, or perhaps counterculture and may just be a benign metaphoric re-living of the WW2 Underground, Or a naturally occurring phenomenons in any human group. So, what about that cake? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Teblchple7 replied on Sat Jan 24, 2009 @ 1:21pm |
| Coolness: 44315 | Well, to me, underground has very little to do with the style of music, more how you experience it. And the whole war thing means that undeground is done in a way that isn't 'official' because, well, it's not possible without getting arrested or whatever.
At the Bell Center? Or in some squat/warehouse where police raid you at 2AM in the morning because it's too 'disorderly'. Underground attracts a certain group of dedicated people, who end up producing a similar sound, and have the same passions. So, I'm with Luke Peril to say that 'underground exists' and the only way to really know it is to be a part of it. It's not in a glamour magazine until it's far too late. I'm sure there are many people who do undeground on this forum. Yourself included. But that's their activities. Not really a record collection. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mutante replied on Sat Jan 24, 2009 @ 4:07pm |
 Coolness: 76195 | underground is WAY larger than that but IMO it describe it clearly and they wrote it in 1992...
from [ www.undergroundresistance.com ] Underground Resistance is a label for a movement. A movement that wants change by sonic revolution. We urge you to join the resistance and help us combat the mediocre audio and visual programming that is being fed to the inhabitants of Earth, this programming is stagnating the minds of the people; building a wall between races and preventing world peace. It is this wall we are going to smash. By using the untapped energy potential of sound we are going to destroy this wall much the same as certain frequencies shatter glass. Techno is a music based in experimentation; it is music for the future of the human race. Without this music there will be no peace, no love, no vision. By simply communicating through sound, techno has brought people of all different nationalities together under one roof to enjoy themselves. Isn't it obvious that music and dance are the keys to the universe? So called primitive animals and tribal humans have known this for thousands of years! We urge all brothers and sisters of the underground to create and transmit their tones and frequencies no matter how so called primitive their equipment may be. Transmit these tones and wreak havoc on the programmers! Long live the underground... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sat Jan 24, 2009 @ 6:02pm |
| Coolness: 129735 | Originally Posted By LUKEPERIL
but it's highly unlikely any of us will be doing anything anywhere as different as R.D. James when he started out. And in order to succeed he put out tons of acid techno under various names including Polygon Window, AFX, whatever. But he wasn't well known. All people knew were the tracks, the music. That's the spin that makes the difference. That's how you stay underground, keep your integrity, and avoid having to become a fucking celebrity. He's only huge today because he did all those remixes. You know, they're right. Ignorance is Bliss. You know you guys like to throw that ignorance is bliss around a lot like its some kind of insult I should be offended by lol... Buddy, I've been following Aphex twin since he started, he's a personal hero of mine He was on WARP records when he did Polygon Window and most of his other tracks since, his picture was in Rolling Stones magazine at one point for petes sake. Don't you remember that whole IDM craze. It was everywhere and he was the poster child Everyone knew what he looked like, he had pictures of himself everywhere. His music has even been used in car commercials Yes he was a celebrity at the time, still is a celebrity The only difference is he has NEVER let anyone tell him what to do. His makes his music the way he wants to make his music point finale. He became known and has a legacy because he makes AMAZING music. Not because of his remixes BTW although they contributed to his success, none of them were ever hits. Listen to "26 mixes for cash" none of those remixes even sound like the original. That was his whole strategy, he would basically give bands his own tracks under the guise of remixes (he'd kept a few elements of the original tracks to get them out there. So save the "ignorant" comments for someone else Like I said before, if you make good music you'll have a legacy. It dosen't matter whether you're known or more "obscure" (ie underground). Make crap or sellout your integrity you'll be forgotten My "blissfully ignorant" 2 cents Update » Blisss wrote on Sat Jan 24, 2009 @ 6:16pm I'm happy you're playing in the Toronto breakcore scene Luke
How about trying to kickstart a scene here in Montreal instead of moaning about the fact there isn't one You know what I did when I wanted to play breaks or electro in Montreal back when both styles were so underground maybe 3 or 4 people in this city actually played them. I started playing the music out every week, promoting it any way I could. Didn't sit at home waiting for someone to call me, just went out there and did it Look how big both breaks and electro are now in Montreal If you want a breakcore scene in this city, cut back on your current "job" and invest some serious time in promoting the music. Right now I sense its just a side "hobby" for you. If you want results show me you're serious about the music, not some clown who's thrown one event in 3 years Just sayin.... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mutante replied on Sat Jan 24, 2009 @ 6:42pm |
| Coolness: 76195 | aphex was "the beatles" of techno in 1993........................ |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sat Jan 24, 2009 @ 6:43pm |
| Coolness: 106130 | Blisss, you speak as if evryone in the underground is just waiting to make it big in the mainstream. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan replied on Sat Jan 24, 2009 @ 6:54pm |
 Coolness: 38785 | Originally Posted By BLISSS
I think what it comes down to is good music THANK YOU. And if I somehow magically come up with the funds to get my career going and somehow also someday my music becomes famous (hah), I would think it's pretty lame/weak of people who liked my music before to stop liking it just because it became popular. I like Anahata (who?) and I also happen to like me some Joan Baez... and how many other people have been exposed to their music REALLY does not factor in when I am deciding if I like their music myself. IMO people are trying too hard to conform to non-conforming. Yeah that's right. That's what this whole "I'm underground" "no, I'M underground" "no, MY underground music is more underground than YOUR quasi-underground music" ...who cares, ya posers! If raves were mainstream I would still go to them. I'm not TRYING to be part of an alternative sub-culture, I just so happen to find myself here. I think the real beauty of finding yourself in an "underground" culture is when you're not just there because you are looking to stand out or be special (the whole conforming to non-conformity complex), but because you actually dig the music and art itself. Then when you find out that these wild wonderful things that you are drawn to are not part of the mainstream, the attitude should not be "Let's keep it to ourselves so that nobody else finds out and it can stay UNDERGROUND and ALTERNATIVE and BADASS, nany nany poo poo." but more like, "Let's share this with the world, so that more people can enjoy it!" I think that when too many people are on their "more underground than thou" elitist clouds, they become to heavy and start raining on the party. p.s. Maybe some artists want to become well known so that they can use their voices for some changes they want to see in the world. *points to self* Money is not the only inspiration, you know. Oh I don't mean to be so aggressive but this is something that's irked me for a bit now. *twitch* |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mutante replied on Sat Jan 24, 2009 @ 7:06pm |
| Coolness: 76195 | Originally Posted By INTENTIONALSOUND
IMO people are trying too hard to conform to non-conforming. +1 c'est comme toute la rebellion encadré engendré par des band soi disants alternatif ou punks depuis plusieurs années.... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sat Jan 24, 2009 @ 7:11pm |
| Coolness: 106130 | Theres no such thing as good music. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sat Jan 24, 2009 @ 7:13pm |
| Coolness: 129735 | Originally Posted By INTENTIONALSOUND
THANK YOU. And if I somehow magically come up with the funds to get my career going and somehow also someday my music becomes famous (hah), I would think it's pretty lame/weak of people who liked my music before to stop liking it just because it became popular. I like Anahata (who?) and I also happen to like me some Joan Baez... and how many other people have been exposed to their music REALLY does not factor in when I am deciding if I like their music myself. IMO people are trying too hard to conform to non-conforming. Yeah that's right. That's what this whole "I'm underground" "no, I'M underground" "no, MY underground music is more underground than YOUR quasi-underground music" ...who cares, ya posers! If raves were mainstream I would still go to them. I'm not TRYING to be part of an alternative sub-culture, I just so happen to find myself here. I think the real beauty of finding yourself in an "underground" culture is when you're not just there because you are looking to stand out or be special (the whole conforming to non-conformity complex), but because you actually dig the music and art itself. Then when you find out that these wild wonderful things that you are drawn to are not part of the mainstream, the attitude should not be "Let's keep it to ourselves so that nobody else finds out and it can stay UNDERGROUND and ALTERNATIVE and BADASS, nany nany poo poo." but more like, "Let's share this with the world, so that more people can enjoy it!" I think that when too many people are on their "more underground than thou" elitist clouds, they become to heavy and start raining on the party. p.s. Maybe some artists want to become well known so that they can use their voices for some changes they want to see in the world. *points to self* Money is not the only inspiration, you know. Oh I don't mean to be so aggressive but this is something that's irked me for a bit now. *twitch* That was beautifully stated. I like this girl :) Update » Blisss wrote on Sat Jan 24, 2009 @ 7:24pm Databoy, good music does exist
Good music is like an aural orgarsm Good music does amazing things for a party Good music is like a piece of chocolate slowly melting in your mouth Good music is universal, I don't need to come from India to dig a good bollywood record or be black to know Tribe Called Quest made great music. Good music lasts forever |
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