i would avoid using it. Not that it isn't cool but it is kinda overdone.

ya its the reverse delay effect. Also cool is an evenlopped controlled bit crusher on the reverse delay to give it a little less generic effect.

I can give you 250$ today. Depending on the type of damage causing the port not to function , it might be a bitch to fix so i can't go higher than that .

even then , it seems like you are always 4 cheese burgers close to a heart attack. The first guy to give you feedback gave you constructive criticism and you chewed him out. Regardless of wether the person giving you the advice knows very little about music, yelling at people for giving you any feedback will always make you look like a baby.

do you sound jamaican when you talk as well ?

unless you want a heart attack before the age of 30 , i would make it a priority to get a grip on your temper.

[ www3.telus.net ]

Started making a metal tune but it somehow got gay.

lets here it

if you want to get paid to sing something that will take 2 hours to record, then reply. If not , just shut up. Like i said, i have people already in mind but i figured that it couldn't hurt to post here in the event that i can find someone good that will work for less. I'm not looking to collaborate and share ideas. I'm looking for a singer to sing what i want them to sing. You won't have any writting credits , you won't have any input on the song and you won't be getting any royalties, you will be a contracted musician that will be paid once. This isn't some lets get together and hang out and maybe make some music. And that link posted is just a mock up of how it will be to give you an idea. It isn't even close to being finished.

oh and have a nice day!

i find alot of people give bad feedback and sometimes its better to have no feedback than some asshole telling some kid to squash everything with a MBL

might as well put it here as well. I'm also looking for hip hop mcs for other stuff.

most people will record everything in mono and track multiple versions and pan them differently, Stereo guitar is always 2 mono guitars panned.

you know looking back , you didn't ask for feedback so i'm not sure why i left some. I guess i saw freeform guy talking and assumed it was a let me know what you think about my song thread. So ya , sorry about that. I hate it when people volunteer feedback i didn't ask for. Of course i always ask so it doesn't happen often but ya , anyways.

i understand. I tend to give feedback more so on the production side than music side in that well i suppose the song is finished and well there really isn't much point saying something about the actual arrangement and the mix is easier to go back and fix. I'l upload some pdfs for ya in a bit.

took a listen to the other one. Thought this one was much better. The mix , altho a bit muddy , is much clearer. I think the bass needs to be much more present. It gets lost in the mix in the middle. Altho your drums sound great by themselves , as soon as you start layering, they tend to over power everything else. When your voice comes in , those hihats are really loud. They also contain some really high frequency energy that sort of strains the ear 8khz range. They also really make the different sections so different in that they are so apparent that when they aren't there , well it sounds really different. I don't think a hihat is ever that important in a mix that to not have it playing would make a drastic change. Again as the song plays , the voice tends to get sqashed by the drums. I think learning to really know how to use compressors will help your overall levels helping everything have a more comfortable blend.

EQ wise , the bass could use some higher end harmonics to help add some definition. Like i said before , the syncopated hihats in the beginning part as well as the reemergence in the bridge need to be lowpassed. I would use some stereo imaging on the guitar to create some space for the bass and drums. You seem to have everything dead center. The guitar sound is much better in this tune tho.

I have some good books if you are interested about mixing in pdf form that will help you think about the mix in a different way helping you understand the theory behind it better.

hope that helps.

Took a little break from the classical stuff and decided to make a EDM track. I'm looking for mezzo soprano ish range and altho i have a few singers in mind , i don't see the harm in posting here in the event that someone on here would fit really well. here is a rough outline of how the song will go with the a scratch synth track replacing the vocals for the time being. It isn't quite finished and is moslty just the main ideas put together but you will get an idea.

[ www3.telus.net ]

I'm looking for a very bitchy raunchy quality of tone and someone that doesn't have a french accent and can sing in tune. There will also be a section with a few lines of bitchy rhyming ala Salt and Peppa. Welll let me know if you are interested via pm.

Took a listen to massive

i would spend a little more time on the Eqing. Alot of the elements tend to fight each other for main stage. Like Free form said before , some of your samples seem to have clicks on it. Your monologue sounds sort of weird in that you have it washed in reverb and it just sounds so far away and as a result it dsoesn't really cut.You shouldn't have the focus of your song in the back of the mix. The guitar parts you recorded sound really weak compared to the other things and i would invest in a better mic/pre amp . THe timing on the higher pitched stacatto note is a little off and detracts from the groove. On the whole , i think spending a little extra time making sure each element has a place in the mix and doesn't sound like a wall of reallyreally loudness will make it sound better. Try using subgroups for similar elements applying compression schemes to each one to sort of seperate the items.Once you apply your master comp on the mix , i will bring everything back together. I think some panning would also help you use your mix space better as well.

on a side note, I think you would be better off in the long run making your own drums instead of using loops for many reasons. It is hard to adjust a mixed track to all your other elements when you can't seperate any of the sounds. Right now , it sounds like you are using a loop which even tho alot of people do , it should never sound like a loop. And if you aren't using a loop , then i suppose this doesn't matter and you should spend time on the other elements.

other than that , i didn't quite understand why you let the track go on with silence then a bit of guitar playing afterwards. I also think mentioning your name in a track completely void of any sort of artist integrity but that is really a beef i have and i understand that almost every artist does it so i suppose my opinion about that matter is irrelevant.

i'm also curious to hear something by host one. Send me a link

oh and nice job REmigentall911

well i guess it is settled then. I mean [ rave.ca ] is the proverbial bearing on human intelligence after all. Can one of you shitty producers please just buy my fucking soundcards so i can get away from this moron saturated black hole.

i never said i was popular or even likable, but i'm definately not stupid. That is like calling a jamaican mexican and expecting him to be insulted. I mean at least put a bit of effort in.

call me annoying , a dick , asshole whatever , but its pretty fucking obvious that i'm one smart son of a bitch. I mean for sakes sake, I build space ships in my spare time. I'm sure i have lots of faults , but not having a brain isn't one of them.

ya lets do this!!

The bill would be under the tenants name unless the dwelling is not a regestered home for rent. If the your name is indeed on the bill and your landlord paid it , well you really aren't legally required to pay him. I think it would be the right thing to do but legality and morals don't always coincide. But honestly man , how the fuck can you not pay 2 months of power. What is the bill ? like 200$ ? you need a loan ?

legally , you don't have to. But i wouldn't surprised if he gave you an evection notice for deliquency. I think it would only be fair to pay him unless you are a total dickwad.

i used to make trance , well i've made pretty much every genre and i think the problem with trance is that it sort of peeked in 2001 - 20002 and well it has really stagnated. After that i quit making it because well i felt everything that cold be said with that genre as been said. That isn't to say trance isn't or shouldn't be around m i think you will find most trance artists sort of infused more electro elements into their music. I suppose you could say that about everything , the mixing of genres is becomming pretty standard. I mean look at noisia . One of the leading dnb producers and they release a breaks track as well which is killer as well.

I personally think the area of music making the createst strides in EDM at the moment is jungle and perhaps the new electro comming out from guys like justice and shit.

most airlines won't pass your baggage without id. Of course it did happen once that i lost my passport and all i had was my school ID and they did sort of hassle me but it worked out. YOu just need a form of photo ID. Since they took my mcgill card, i'm sure other forms of less official ID will work.

Hydro Quebec allows agreements to finance your bill over a period of 6 months. THey will charge you 3% interest.

well professionals in freeform don't actually make money so i wouldn't use the word "professional"
I'm not saying he sucks completely but his mixes are extremely muddy , his arrangements are extremely cluttered and his over mix is amateurish. Not trying to attack him , i just think he needs to be a little more humble. He isn't all that and a bag of chips.

And as far as your comments about 2 years not enough to be a"producer"

here is a track i made after about 2-3 years of producing released on vynil in 2001 blah blah...
[ www3.telus.net ]

it is possible and happens alot and i could make you a list of about 20 guys i know that had vinyl releases in 2-3 years.

So sure most producers won't be good after 2 -3 years but thatsbecause most producers suck. I wouldnt' say you suck but i woudn't even think about pursuing production as a career and i would definately loose that elitist attitude you exhude until you stop sucking a little less.

PS : that track was made before the whole sample cd accesssibility in regards to EDM.This was before vengeance sound sets in a time where every sound you used was pretty much made from scratch.

PPS : here is a link to the second EDM song i ever made after about 1 year messing around. [ www3.telus.net ]

It already sounds better than your mixes ? So ya , my goal is not to show how good i am because really i think the music i posted sucks balls and i don't make EDM anymore but its still oceans apart from the amateur stuff you make. So get off your high horse.

K sorry about all these fucking updates , my ADD is on overdrive , but the majority of this post execept for the first paragraph was for TWisted FREQ

his songs are at

[ kreatrix-evilution.com ]

you keep putting words in my mouth. I haven't contradicted myself. A producer tends to know a medium amount of information in my subject areas , a musician tends to know alot of information in fewer subjects. It isn't that one knows more than the other , its that the information they know in reference to the subjects they apply to is spread out differently. Is this so hard to understand ?


Now having said this, which is theoretical , lets look at the real world and how it applies to both musicians and producers. Musicians do tend to have a more structured form of learning and as a result , tend to know more for the sole reason that music education has been contiuously structured to help people learn quicker. Production is a much newer art form and the ressources available are much more limited. So for that reason , i would say that musicians tend to know more because their form of education is just more accessible.

Now i suppose you are going to reply by saying , wait Rich , producers can learn music too , sure they can. But i did address this in an earlier reply in that you only have so many hours a day to learn and given a musician or producer spend that time learning , they will learn the same amount , just in different subject areas. Of course again this is theoretical because like i stated previously , music education is more accessible than education relation to the technical sides of production.

I think the level of knowledge tends to balance out for most producers and most musicians but i think as far as most EDM is concerned , well i would say it doesn't. EDM , for the most part , is pretty non mainstream and as a result , most of the producers making records tend to be a non professionals making a record here and there not really making a carreer out of it.

I mean you call yourself a producer , but could you actually make a song that wasn't EDM ? Do you know enough about music , enough about chords and key changes to be able to make something that wasn't EDM ? I'm not trying to discredit edm because i can guarantee you most musicians would have no idea what the hell side chaining is, i just don't think you realise the knowledge required to make other forms of music.

I just think you are a little naive about how things work in the world. I remember your post about how the producer should do everything but again , as a mainly EDM oriented guy ( correct me if i'm wrong ) i just don't think you really understand how things work and why they are that way.

Take film scoring. The composer makes the score , but 10 times out of 10 , he hires an orchestrator to orchestrate the music. The music industry is extremely competitive and subject specialisation is becoming more and more important. Why do you think teeam work in almost every aspect of multimedia is the norm. Why doesn't 1 guy make a video game ? IF you can't figure this out for yourself , let me help you.

You can't know everything about everything. It isn't possible. It isn't possible to play every instrument at a master level because there just isn't enough time in a day to learn all this.For this reason , the industry tends to use the best people in each position. Now if you wanted to be lets say the best pianist , would you want to practice 8 hours of piano a day or 4 hours of piano and spend the other 4 hours learning to cook. Hopefully you understand the point i'm getting at. There is a certain level of specialisation required for certain fields in the music industry.

how am i contradicting myself ? To play an instrument at a professional level , it takes around 10 - 20 years depending on a the style. Most EDM producers i know have releases after 2 years. YOu yourself consider yourself a producer and you've been doing it for 6.

this is your stuff right?

[ kreatrix-evilution.com ]

it doesn't take longer. You consider yourself a producer and you've been spending what 6 years ?
The piano majors at my school all practice 8 hours a day and they've been doing it for what 20 years ?

Most producers do not spend near as much as time as most serious musicians. You are comparing apples and oranges. Just accept the fact that there is only 24 hours a day and regardless if you take being a producer or musician , you have the same amount of time to learn and lest just say for both cases , they actually used that time to learn and were of equal intelligence , they will learn the same amount , just in different subject areas.

no i said it was both false or true depending on what you mean by "logical"
Lay off the drugs

a fact is something that can be demonstrated by formal procedure. You could show easily how both the world is logical and illogical depending on what you view as logical. Because logical is not an empirical term, there is absolutely no way to quantify it. There fore true and false. But most importantly , idiotic -> the question that is.

come on man you are being a moron

a producer has to know more things about more topics so it is only logical that he learns each one in smaller scope. A musician will tend to just focus on his instrument and music theory and altho there are probbably less things to learn as far as subjects, they go in to greater detail. And i wouldn't qualify knowing scales as knowing about music. YOu keep bringing up isolated exceptions like your stupid friends. I'm talking on average dumbnuts.

sorry i thought it was Twisted Freak that said this. So take what i said minus the clever use of dumbnuts and moron.

ATT: twisted Freak : this one is for you verbatim with the insults.

you are pretty clever finding my name by the website i gave your friend. Clever little boy you are! Did you go to like University ?

hot

most producers never get the proper training in music and tend to really lack in that department. I would say EDM is the extreme case in that most cases , the actual producer probably couldnt' even tell you what key his song was in. I'm not trying to diminish the status of producer cause i suppose i am one , but they are just too vastly different things. Producers tend to know a little about lot of things. Really good musicians tend to know a lot about a few things. I will say this tho , it would be easier for a musician to learn to produce that a producer learning to be a musician.

settle down bitches.

best singers ? sure

that doesn't negate the fact she sounds like some dying francophone cat. NOt to mention to awfull music she has put out. To actually have elvis sing with her is an insult to the king.

not quite sure how linking pictures of that gay picture of you is making me look bad. I'm glad your day is so empty that you have time to look at crappy physics papers.

and Moloch , that isn't my webspace so i'm not exactly sure what your point is.

maybe what you need is some thick italian sausage to woe your troubles