do you pay taxes?

rape and torture of human beings:
[ www.thestar.com ]

slaughter of animals:
[ www.cbc.ca ]


and in the "news" this week:

Montreal's anti-cholesterol, chemotherapy and birth control medications are passing through water treatment into the rivers... don't worry, they'll have it fixed in 5 years:
[ www.macleans.ca ]

I doubt fishing would ever have made as much damage as this "undocumented threat" will.

and don't worry about that nuclear "leak" up in Ottawa in December... it was insignificant.


in August I was at Tadoussac looking for whales with some friends visiting from England. unfortunately there was a deadly toxic algae that killed everything a week before we got there:
[ www.canada.com ]

just because I eat meat doesnt mean I don't give a shit



this spring I'm going to learn bio-dynamic farming (eat what I grow without harming the natural environment) and contribute to self-sustainable communities across Canada... [ www.wwoofing.ca ]

Summer 2007 I volunteered on an organic farm in Ireland, and worked with a self-sustainable arts collective in Spain... learning about heritage seed saving, plant and herb growing/partnering, eco-conscious building, and how to live happily with very little money.

Last summer I tried container gardening here in the city. Did extensive research and built my own "earth box" containers... but it didn't work out so well. I got a few zucchini and onions out, then everything got some weird mold/fungus and died.



This summer I'm hoping to work with cows/chickens (Alberta)... and on a medicinal herb farm (BC)... yes, that means I'm going to miss all the summer parties, but my wwoofing experiences were far more life enriching.



it's admirable that people want to eliminate harm to animals or on the environment... but instead of choosing not to eat meat I'm hoping to learn some new skills and find a different way of life. contribute to change. I don't think anyone can be free of guilt with so much contributing to the damage done to people, animals, and our environment. I am fully aware of the impact my existence has and at least want to do something about it. Being vegan just isn't how I choose to do it.

wonder showzen rules

only if it's vegan

LOLx2

I'm just pissed she won't let me play in her band cuz I like bacon!!





yes kids it's a tiara made out of bacon... learn to make your own here:

[ www.theanticraft.com ]

[ stuffwhitepeoplelike.com ]

easy there sister I was talkin to the vegannibal

congratulations, you are a responsible citizen of the world! really a role model for all of us.. and it is the way of the future. we could all do with a little less harm. but I still like bacon.

with respect...

exactly... eggs and cheese are "bad" too. glad that's obvious to you too.

I would bring bacon and sausages so it was totally obvious to everyone what was in it... me and the dogs would enjoy them.

amen brother - let the rabbits wear glasses!


I went to a dinner party on Friday... I spent $40 to make the best corn muffins you've ever seen: buttermilk, butter, eggs, maple bacon (carefully crisped and crumbled), shredded old cheddar cheese, chopped green onions, two kinds of cornmeal, red peppers, and topped with a sliver of sundried tomatoe... and OH MAN they were fucking good.

so anyhow I get to the party and put them on the table (next to the bowl of Ruffles chips, and tubs of packaged hummus and dip?). Knowing there might be some false assumptions that I would only bring a vegetarian food to any shared meal announced that there was bacon in there... there was some disappointment. mostly from one girl (a good friend of mine) but she grabs one anyhow and proceeds to PICK THE BACON OUT and put it on the table and eventually feed it to the dogs.

ok... I'm trying to understand this


buttermilk
eggs
butter
cornmeal
cheese

all totally ok, even tho they've been cooked with bacon,
but bacon should be picked out and fed to the dogs?


I'm all for conscious consumerism and making good healthy choices... sure. great.
but this is insanity, isn't it? I just dont even want to bother drilling it down... it seems so obvious to me.


I'm never going to be a vegan. I like vegan food, I like vegetarian food.. no problem. I dont have to eat meat. I can go without it... it's actually not that often that I buy it anymore. but I've got this problem with delusional purists, disrespecting FOOD, and making other people feel guilty.

next dinner party I go to I'm bringing a pound of bacon wrapped sausages.

wicked! singing fire dancers is something I haven't seen before... but I don't get out much. I'd volunteer but I'm not vegan and me n poi don't cooperate well - I'm anti-symmetrical.

mad chuuuuuuuns!! hahaha that's what I'm talkin about!

for my second wish, how about a weekly breakcore/dnb/metal/dubstep/mashcore night in some dark corner of st henri? (rubs magic lamp)

I listen to dubstep.fm almost religiously... never gonna pretend I know anything about it... but tonight I heard a track from some dude in LA doing dubstep/metal? wtf?! [ www.myspace.com ]

somebody gotta bring that shit up here

the underground needs more guitars. kinda reminds me of the aaron spectre show in T. that went mad moshing ballistic... can't play drumcorps now tho cuz my kitty is sleepin and I dont want to upset him {boo}

now how about some grimeyelectromoshcore please?

yeh how many clowns does it take to play cds? there was like 5 of em up there heh

I didnt get there till almost 12 so good thing it went longer... but it was so fukn packed solid. the few tracks I caught of modeselektor were alright... they played that "hyper hyper" track which is probably my least favorite, oh well. some housey mediocre shit, and then "let your love grow" which is one of the best... and there was some body surfing and random dudes freaking out... meh. had a lot of fun... but then got promptly herded out like mad cows. glad I went last week.

"everything sounded like bananas squishing against spiderwebs with unicorn bleats over it." LOL

looking forward to hearing your set next month Erik... some really sick tracks you played Saturday. seriously dancing to that shit is the best high. and as long as there are still people dancing and getting off on it, it ain't over.



"don't dream it, be it"

^^ are they archiving the sets? where can I find the sets from last week?

babies used to be so underground

thanks.. you wanna give me a job?

and I'll take an ounce of that shit

if I bought records... I'd shop here:

[ www.heresmycardrecords.com ]
[ www.tigerbeat6.com ]
[ www.drosstik.com ]
[ www.irritantrecords.com ]

I sold all my good vinyls to Erik (all 5 of them)... there was a HMCR and a drosstik in there. maybe he'll sell them to you, but I doubt it.

and honourable mention to: [ www.myspace.com ]
I'd buy his dirty mousepads

sorry should've checked those links first... like there's no site at irritant anymore. but I'm sure you could find someone to sell you something. heh

recession-ism is the new terrorism... except instead of just the USA on Orange alert, they've put the whole world into a state of emergency. and good for that... the system is going down. it needed to change. independent sustainable economies create stronger communities and countries. supply peaked above the demand because of too many greedy bastards... to hell with "free" trade. we can all do with a few less American Apparel shops. there's going to be major changes yet... hopefully a complete redesign of our lifestyles. buy and eat locally produced food and products. work where you live. there's already a lot of people who figured this out. for the rest, it's gonna hurt a little... but it IS a very good thing. it was only a matter of time before a defective machine broke down.

I quit last week... by accident.

they suck and I had serious PMS

it wasnt easy to find that shitty anglo tech job in Montreal and now I'm screwed. but it'll be ok, got a couple small contracts to last till March...

"therefore the underground is a product of society."

absolutely.

and right now people are possibly the most apathetic, hopeless, depressed, lazy, bunch of selfish cunts as we've ever been. why would anyone want to possibly upset anyone or rock the bubble? wasting all our energy convincing ourselves everything is ok. taking very little risks. not trusting anyone... don't risk your expensive gear... don't throw a "bad" party... don't make "bad" music...

I remember when Venetian Snares was at the Elmo in Toronto a few years back and it was totally sold out and crowded at the start of the show... half way through his set I turned around and noticed half the room had left. They came cuz they knew the name or for good promotion, but then left when they heard what he plays. maybe he was in a bad mood, or maybe he did it on purpose... it was pretty brutal. rocked my socks. but the reviews were not all good, but those who loved it defended it with teeth.

there is still a good breakcore scene in Toronto... some of the most brilliant music I've ever heard. I'm not sure if it's underground or not... whatever. anyhow good news is Toronto's best promoter of "bad" music just moved to Montreal. ;)

yeh musta been right on top of you ;)



(fuk youtube seriously, almost 2 hours to upload a 1 minute video!)

great discussion, very polite for one of those topics that always seems to create an unresolved argument

good interview too... tho the tone is kinda annoying.

"To me, there's no star in the underground, stardom opposes to underground. In the underground the link between the artist and its public is stronger, I think. As basdini said it's also the whole DIY attitude that makes ungerground underground..."

hellz yeh

for me... underground rave music and parties are those created without the objective of mass consumption or profit... experimental sounds/styles/events and supporting friends/artists who create them.

is it over?

I don't think so, but there are a lot more people reproducing the same ideas than there are those coming up with new ones.

also...

IMO this woman Cozy in the interview hits it right on... the lack of purity, or even complete inability to totally "drop out" of mainstream lifestyle/culture, and the friction between conflicting or opposing actions and ideals within both individuals and groups has been for me the biggest issue I've experienced in the freetekno scene - which became my chosen title "dissonance".

this internal conflict brings the word hypocrite around quite often in these discussions and debates. it's apparently impossible for anyone to be a purist about anything anti-capitalist/DIY/anti-corporate/anti-establishment living in the society we do. stuff costs money. we are saturated with wants/needs/ideas that fight against collaborative anti-profit efforts. and the political motivations are nearly completely beaten to death from every angle or most have generally given up and politics became just casual hobby discussions or a 5 letter word (aka "drama"). not many people are into working through the complications of interpersonal dynamics for a common goal and have just giving up and rather avoid it because really there's more frustration trying to create an alternative, than there is going with the flow of mainstream. IF they havent also given up their art/experiments, they have chosen to work in small closed groups.

it's not over, it's changed. and the definition will always change too. people continue to surprise me with totally amazing shit and I doubt they will stop - or not just "the underground" is doomed, but humanity as a whole.

quote from the interview "you only understand if you are physically there... it cannot be substituted..."

indeed

psst!! >> [ hidemyass.com ] << (for those at work that want to watch youtube /facebook /etc... and family guy episodes only available to USA IPs or "not available in your area" ...if that one doesn't work try [ armyproxy.com ]

last time "jesus people" came to our door he mentioned the multiple NO FLYERS NO ANYTHING NO PROPAGANDA (in both french and english) signs on the door and said he didnt think any of them were about him... till he noticed the BEWARE OF GOD sign.

seriously wicked party... never seen anything like it for 5$... amazing. the afterparty was alright too... but coming early to catch Yankat and find so many happy smiling friends there in weather so cold my lighter would not fire!! awesome. Drop The Lime was off the damn hook, playing many styles flawlessly and some very creative mixes too... I love his energy with the crowd. People nearly dropped their pants when he started up with the dubstep too was fukn hilarious. Built up a great vibe for Vegas... who absolutely ripped me apart. I nearly threw my shoulder out pumping my fist in the air hahaha... and so fukme CUTE! I wanted to squeeze that boy's cheekz ;) hehehe yes yes... well done promoters! I'll be back next week. respect

my photos uploaded!!

[ www.youtube.com ]

watch till the end

I didnt say they couldn't do parties there... and I didnt say anything about NTK. I said they took a risk trying to bring that much shit in to try and do better than the parties in there before them. and they're fucking lucky they got away with it. same thing many others said.

phew so glad I wasted time posting here

yay for tacos

ok whatever... point is they thought they could throw a "good" party and do it better than whoever did it before when "they discovered the location"

talk about 11 pages of bullshit...

sorry I'm a little late on this topic... but...

no doubt you guys had all the best intentions but what offended me most about this party, still does, is that you guys went to a free party and then thought *hey we can do better!* and decided to throw a "good party" there a week later. then you thought bringing toilets, a food station, stocked bar, seating, the biggest sound system you could rent, and expensive lazer/lights was a great idea and would make it a much better party. totally wrong.

nevermind the huge risk bringing attention to your stupid ass hauling all that shit in and out of an illegal venue. you are lucky you didnt have all your shit confiscated and walk out of there with fines and criminal records for everyone! as for the good intentions...

with 5 years throwing free parties in illegal venues (in Toronto) I can tell you that what makes a really good party is not how much it cost to throw it. sure it's often ghetto, but even 200 people in a snow storm in mid December with the roof collapsing on top of us and 2 hours from the nearest metro people didnt complain about shit and came back for more. when people dont pay for anything, and you give them a unique adventure, they're just happy to be there.

community builds from communication, networking resources, and cooperation. people always want to help, and our costs were always covered just by selling water and beer (ok, sometimes acid). if you want clean washrooms and hotdogs go to a fucking club and pay your $10 and shut the hell up. You either cater to lazy stupid people, or you do it yourself with what you can find and end up with a much better party. it's not easy, but seriously it's not that hard either, if 10 of your friends want to party in some mad location, you each pitch 10$ for CDJs and gas, then invite all your friends. you're only out 100$ that you'd spend going to a lame club anyhow so nobody loses anything. if you dont think it's cool enough, don't bother. /freeteknorant

you're really not going to make any friends trying to show-up the underground scene.

thanxxx mutante! yeh I'm in... my heart beats at 200bpm. and any other video junkies or vj newbies out there can bring their clips/loops on cd/dvd/hd/laptop and jump in too. open decks and open screen? I dont have a mixer, but we can work it out.

work today was bloody painful...

great party, wicked venue, a lot warmer than I thought it would be, and not as dirty as it could've been ;p merci NTK!! thanks Mr Whiskey!! marcin give cat a big kiss for me when you see her. <3

amazing THANK YOU!!

have room for one person leaving this afternoon... email petra@fukglam.com asap!!

I found black and pink almost new vans in the garbage in the spring... Montreal garbage is the best.

[ northtek.net ] (directions)

[ freetekno.toronto.on.ca ] (freetekno.toronto forum for rideshare/info)

see u there!!