An Interesting Take On Vegetarianism.
| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» the_big_jo a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 10:00pm |
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(taken from [ maddox.xmission.com ] I was looking over a menu in a restaurant the other day when I saw a section for vegetarians; I thought to myself "boy, I sure am glad that I'm not a meat-hating fascist" and I skipped on to the steak section (because I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $15 for an alfalfa sandwich, slice of cucumber and a scoop of cold cottage cheese), but before I turned the page something caught my eye. The heading of the vegetarian section was titled "Guiltless Grill," not because there were menu items with fewer calories and cholesterol (since there were "healthy" chicken dishes discriminated against in this section), but because none of the items used animal products. Think about that phrase for a second. What exactly does "guiltless grill" imply? So I'm supposed to feel guilty now if I eat meat? Screw you. What pisses me off so much about this phrase is the sheer narrow-mindedness of these stuck up vegetarian assholes. You think you're saving the world by eating a tofu-burger and sticking to a diet of grains and berries? Well here's something that not many vegetarians know (or care to acknowledge): every year millions of animals are killed by wheat and soy bean combines during harvesting season (source). Oh yeah, go on and on for hours about how all of us meat eaters are going to hell for having a steak, but conveniently ignore the fact that each year millions of mice, rabbits, snakes, skunks, possums, squirrels, gophers and rats are ruthlessly murdered as a direct result of YOUR dieting habits. What's that? I'm sorry, I don't hear any more elitist banter from you pompous cocks. Could it be because your shit has been RUINED? That's right: the gloves have come off. The vegetarian response to this embarrassing fact is "well, at least we're not killing intentionally." So let me get this straight; not only are animals ruthlessly being murdered as a direct result of your diet, but you're not even using the meat of the animals YOU kill? At least we're eating the animals we kill (and although we also contribute to the slaughter of animals during grain harvesting, keep in mind that we're not the ones with a moral qualm about it), not just leaving them to rot in a field somewhere. That makes you just as morally repugnant than any meat-eater any day. Not only that, but you're killing free-roaming animals, not animals that were raised for feed. Their bodies get mangled in the combine's machinery, bones crushed, and you have the audacity to point fingers at the meat industry for humanely punching a spike through a cow's neck? If you think that tofu burgers come at no cost to animals or the environment, guess again. To even suggest that your meal is some how "guiltless" is absurd. The defense "at least we're not killing intentionally" is bullshit anyway. How is it not intentional if you KNOW that millions of animals die every year in combines during harvest? You expect me to believe that you somehow unintentionally pay money to buy products that support farmers that use combines to harvest their fields? Even if it was somehow unintentional, so what? That suddenly makes you innocent? I guess we should let drunk drivers off the hook too since they don't kill intentionally either, right? There's no way out of this one. The only option left for you dipshits is to buy some land, plant and pick your own crops. Impractical? Yeah, well, so is your stupid diet. Even if combines aren't used to harvest your food, you think that buying fruits and vegetables (organic or otherwise) is any better? How do you think they get rid of bugs that eat crops in large fields? You think they just put up signs and ask parasites to politely go somewhere else? Actually, I wouldn't put that suggestion past you hippies. One of the methods they use to get rid of pests is to introduce a high level of predators for each particular prey, which wreaks all sorts of havoc on the natural balance of predator/prey populations--causing who knows what kind of damage to the environment. Oops, did I just expose you moral-elitists for being frauds? Damndest thing. A number of people have pointed out that the amount of grain grown to feed animals for slaughter every year is greater than the amount of grain grown for humans. So I guess the amount of grain grown for human consumption suddenly becomes negligible and we can conveniently ignore the fact that animals are still ruthlessly murdered either way because of your diet, right? Not to mention that the majority of grain grown for livestock is tough as rocks, coarse, and so low-grade that it's only fit for animal consumption in the first place. Spare me the "you could feed 500 people with the grain used to feed one cow" line of shit; it's not the same grain. Then there are the people who jump on the bandwagon with "you could plant billions of potatoes on the land used for cows"--good point, except for the fact that not every plot of land is equally fertile; you think farmers always have a choice on what they do with their land? Also, many vegetarians don't know (or care to acknowledge) that in many parts of the United States they have "control hunts" in which hunting permits are passed out whenever there is a pest problem (the pest here is deer, elk and antelope) that threatens wheat, soy, vegetable and other crops; this happens several times per year. Then some of you throw out claims that "we are trying to limit the suffering." How about you limit MY suffering and shut the hell up about your stupid diet for a change; nobody cares. Even if the number of animals that die in combine deaths every year isn't in the millions, even if it's just one, are you suggesting that the life of one baby rabbit isn't worth saving? Are you placing a value on life? Enjoy your tofu, murderers. BTW, I'm sorry for the gigantic brick of text. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 10:29pm |
 Coolness: 166485 | he would be right...if he only ate meat. Since he probably doesn't, he also contributes to the problems caused by growing wheat and soy (which is now in a lot of foods) and other grains and or vegetables/fruits. I don't like the idea of someone trying to free himself of guilt (that he admits he shouldn't feel) by making everyone else feel bad...kinda hypocritical.
of course, i'm a vegetarian, but NOT one of those fascist guilt-tripping types. They give good hearted veggies like me a bad name, and piss me off too. I have never made anyone feel bad for eating meat, and i've never imposed my eating habits on others. I often say that part of my reason is balance; i don't eat meat so that you can, to limit overconsumption. Besides, when i pull out the absurd big-gun excuse for being vegetarian, the dude can't say a thing: I don't eat meat 'cause i hate animals so much, i would never put that shit in my mouth :P |
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| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 10:30pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 10:32pm |
 Coolness: 38710 | Unfortunately you are grossly misinformed of the facts. I'm going to attempt to kindly correct them. Give me a few moments here. |
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| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» diss0nance a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 10:34pm |
 Coolness: 48445 | amen brother - let the rabbits wear glasses!
I went to a dinner party on Friday... I spent $40 to make the best corn muffins you've ever seen: buttermilk, butter, eggs, maple bacon (carefully crisped and crumbled), shredded old cheddar cheese, chopped green onions, two kinds of cornmeal, red peppers, and topped with a sliver of sundried tomatoe... and OH MAN they were fucking good. so anyhow I get to the party and put them on the table (next to the bowl of Ruffles chips, and tubs of packaged hummus and dip?). Knowing there might be some false assumptions that I would only bring a vegetarian food to any shared meal announced that there was bacon in there... there was some disappointment. mostly from one girl (a good friend of mine) but she grabs one anyhow and proceeds to PICK THE BACON OUT and put it on the table and eventually feed it to the dogs. ok... I'm trying to understand this buttermilk eggs butter cornmeal cheese all totally ok, even tho they've been cooked with bacon, but bacon should be picked out and fed to the dogs? I'm all for conscious consumerism and making good healthy choices... sure. great. but this is insanity, isn't it? I just dont even want to bother drilling it down... it seems so obvious to me. I'm never going to be a vegan. I like vegan food, I like vegetarian food.. no problem. I dont have to eat meat. I can go without it... it's actually not that often that I buy it anymore. but I've got this problem with delusional purists, disrespecting FOOD, and making other people feel guilty. next dinner party I go to I'm bringing a pound of bacon wrapped sausages. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 10:37pm |
| Coolness: 166485 | Originally Posted By DISS0NANCE
amen brother - let the rabbits wear glasses! Tool ftw! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 11:00pm |
| Coolness: 38710 | You seem to be largely misinformed (like the vast majority of omnivores, including me just over a year ago) what vegans actually eat, or about all the options of it. Your stigmatic views of us as lettuce/tofu munchers is very inaccurate. It's not fair to judge what you really don't know.
You said: "every year millions of animals are killed by wheat and soy bean combines during harvesting season (source)." ...This is a very common thing that's said by people who are uninformed (but I'm not insulting you, it's not your fault). So now I'm going to try to inform you. The livestock that results in your dairy, meat and eggs is all fed on this soy and grain and corn etc. In fact, aprox 80 to 90 per cent of soy that is grown is FED TO LIVESTOCK. Being vegan actually kills exponentially less plants, since you have to feed the livestock so many more plants to be able to get anything from the livestock, as opposed to just getting the nutrition from the vegan food source itself. Livestock is a very inefficient system. That means that for every unfortunate mangled animal in the machines to harvest the grain to feed one vegan, there are many many more that are mangled in the fields to get enough grain to feed the livestock that will feed one omnivore. This is not an attack on you, again, this is simply a fact. Even with the "different type of grain" that is fed to animals (it's actually mostly soy and corn in North America), it's still a big difference. Quinoa, for example, is a complete protein source as well as having many other nutrients, and has MORE protein in it pound for pound than beef. It takes a lot less resources and land to produce a pound of quinoa than it does to produce a pound of beef. This is a very simple logic. This also means that the rain forest is being needlessly chopped down for the extra amount of soy/corn that must be grown to feed the livestock. The livestock industry is the number one pollutant of the world, and is responsible for wiping out countless species of WILD animals. Next: Bio/Organic There are many studies (that I have been reading lately) that suggest that organic is not necessarily better. There are good organic farming methods as well as good non-organic farming methods. This is a whole new can of worms though, and I think I will leave it at that buying locally produce (which we are fortunate to have in abundance here) is more important right now than buying organic. I also try to buy produce from places I know do not use big machinery, le Frigo Vert next to Concordia is a good place to start. Pests: It's interesting how we see the other animals as pests, when we are the ones who have multiplied like a virus and spread over the planet, wiping out everything else in our path. It's not fair to blame deer and elk for trying to eat some food, when there are 7 billion humans overrunning everything. They are just trying to survive. We often point the finger and accuse others of our own failures. Definition of Veganism: The point of veganism is not to pretend we can eliminate ALL suffering. Of course we cannot eliminate ALL suffering. The point of veganism is to cause the least amount of harm as is possible. So if 10 animals die so that I can eat my hemp seeds, quinoa, flax, lentils, apples, etc. by me being vegan than the 1000 if I was an omnivore (in addition to mention the resources saved and minimization of pollution), I'm going to be vegan so that I can do the least amount of harm possible. I am still incredibly healthy and fulfilled in my little foodie heart. Here is the definition of veganism from the people who coined the term: *** [T]he word "veganism" denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude — as far as is possible and practical — all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.[1] (Donald Watson, 1944) *** |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Eve-Hill a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 11:05pm |
 Coolness: 71700 | Originally Posted By N.A
he would be right...if he only ate meat. Since he probably doesn't, he also contributes to the problems caused by growing wheat and soy (which is now in a lot of foods) and other grains and or vegetables/fruits. I don't like the idea of someone trying to free himself of guilt (that he admits he shouldn't feel) by making everyone else feel bad...kinda hypocritical. of course, i'm a vegetarian, but NOT one of those fascist guilt-tripping types. They give good hearted veggies like me a bad name, and piss me off too. I have never made anyone feel bad for eating meat, and i've never imposed my eating habits on others. I often say that part of my reason is balance; i don't eat meat so that you can, to limit overconsumption. Besides, when i pull out the absurd big-gun excuse for being vegetarian, the dude can't say a thing: I don't eat meat 'cause i hate animals so much, i would never put that shit in my mouth :P mm i totally think you are a fascist |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 11:08pm |
| Coolness: 299265 | Originally Posted By VEGANNIBAL
You seem to be largely misinformed (like the vast majority of omnivores, including me just over a year ago) what vegans actually eat, or about all the options of it. Your stigmatic views of us as lettuce/tofu munchers is very inaccurate. It's not fair to judge what you really don't know. You said: "every year millions of animals are killed by wheat and soy bean combines during harvesting season (source)." ...This is a very common thing that's said by people who are uninformed (but I'm not insulting you, it's not your fault). So now I'm going to try to inform you. The livestock that results in your dairy, meat and eggs is all fed on this soy and grain and corn etc. In fact, aprox 80 to 90 per cent of soy that is grown is FED TO LIVESTOCK. Being vegan actually kills exponentially less plants, since you have to feed the livestock so many more plants to be able to get anything from the livestock, as opposed to just getting the nutrition from the vegan food source itself. Livestock is a very inefficient system. That means that for every unfortunate mangled animal in the machines to harvest the grain to feed one vegan, there are many many more that are mangled in the fields to get enough grain to feed the livestock that will feed one omnivore. This is not an attack on you, again, this is simply a fact. Even with the "different type of grain" that is fed to animals (it's actually mostly soy and corn in North America), it's still a big difference. Quinoa, for example, is a complete protein source as well as having many other nutrients, and has MORE protein in it pound for pound than beef. It takes a lot less resources and land to produce a pound of quinoa than it does to produce a pound of beef. This is a very simple logic. This also means that the rain forest is being needlessly chopped down for the extra amount of soy/corn that must be grown to feed the livestock. The livestock industry is the number one pollutant of the world, and is responsible for wiping out countless species of WILD animals. Next: Bio/Organic There are many studies (that I have been reading lately) that suggest that organic is not necessarily better. There are good organic farming methods as well as good non-organic farming methods. This is a whole new can of worms though, and I think I will leave it at that buying locally produce (which we are fortunate to have in abundance here) is more important right now than buying organic. I also try to buy produce from places I know do not use big machinery, le Frigo Vert next to Concordia is a good place to start. Pests: It's interesting how we see the other animals as pests, when we are the ones who have multiplied like a virus and spread over the planet, wiping out everything else in our path. It's not fair to blame deer and elk for trying to eat some food, when there are 7 billion humans overrunning everything. They are just trying to survive. We often point the finger and accuse others of our own failures. Definition of Veganism: The point of veganism is not to pretend we can eliminate ALL suffering. Of course we cannot eliminate ALL suffering. The point of veganism is to cause the least amount of harm as is possible. So if 10 animals die so that I can eat my hemp seeds, quinoa, flax, lentils, apples, etc. by me being vegan than the 1000 if I was an omnivore (in addition to mention the resources saved and minimization of pollution), I'm going to be vegan so that I can do the least amount of harm possible. I am still incredibly healthy and fulfilled in my little foodie heart. Here is the definition of veganism from the people who coined the term: *** [T]he word "veganism" denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude — as far as is possible and practical — all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.[1] (Donald Watson, 1944) *** You are grossly misinformed. God will shun you |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 11:08pm |
 Coolness: 93435 | wow...what an eye-opening article. I never knew vegans and vegetarians didnt even take the time to make sure the methods of harvest of their tofu and green beans didn't kill animals. HOw hipocrytical |
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| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 11:09pm |
| Coolness: 93435 | Originally Posted By EL_LEADER_MAXIMO
You are grossly misinformed. God will shun you Vegans beleive in vishnu and shiva etc. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 11:11pm |
| Coolness: 38710 | Speciesism:
It's another form of bigotry. Most of the people who are speciesist don't fully understand it, have never heard the term, and have no ill intent but it is a very sad and unnecessary thing in them that allows them to administer a great deal of suffering to others without giving it a second thought. It makes me very sad to see all the needless suffering because we are evidently so much better than everything else. Egocentrism is where you think you are better than others because they are not the same nationality as you. Speciesism is where you think you are better than others because they are not the same *species* as you. It comes down to where you draw the line, who you include in your circle of compassion. For me, whether or not I torture something does not depend on whether or not it is "like me" but whether or not it can feel (has nociceptors). Since animals (including all vertebrates and invertebrates) have nociceptors, and there is NO NEED WHATSOEVER for me to use/exploit them to sustain me, I feel that the only reasonable thing for me to do is to not use them. If we are truly the most evolved species on the planet (we are in some ways, not all, but definitely in some ways that have allowed us to gain the most power), shouldn't we use that evolution of mind to be responsible and take care of everything, instead of using it to TAKE ADVANTAGE OF everything while destroying it? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PaLy a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 11:18pm |
 Coolness: 51660 | trendy |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 11:26pm |
 Coolness: 221705 | Originally Posted By N.A
he would be right...if he only ate meat. Since he probably doesn't, he also contributes to the problems caused by growing wheat and soy (which is now in a lot of foods) and other grains and or vegetables/fruits. I don't like the idea of someone trying to free himself of guilt (that he admits he shouldn't feel) by making everyone else feel bad...kinda hypocritical. of course, i'm a vegetarian, but NOT one of those fascist guilt-tripping types. They give good hearted veggies like me a bad name, and piss me off too. I have never made anyone feel bad for eating meat, and i've never imposed my eating habits on others. I often say that part of my reason is balance; i don't eat meat so that you can, to limit overconsumption. Besides, when i pull out the absurd big-gun excuse for being vegetarian, the dude can't say a thing: I don't eat meat 'cause i hate animals so much, i would never put that shit in my mouth :P didn't you eat a piece of sausage at my place the other day ?? :P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 11:34pm |
| Coolness: 38710 | Originally Posted By GAMOS
Vegans beleive in vishnu and shiva etc. Actually most of us are atheist/agnostic. Not that I think it's wrong for anyone to believe in shiva/vishnu if they want to... Originally Posted By diss0nance
ok... I'm trying to understand this buttermilk eggs butter cornmeal cheese all totally ok, even tho they've been cooked with bacon, but bacon should be picked out and fed to the dogs? All those things are *not* okay. The thing about many vegetarians is that they have not yet found out what really goes on in the industry and they are not aware that dairy and eggs cause suffering as well, and at the very least are exploitation/slavery. It just hasn't come together yet. They are not necessarily being hypocritical, in most cases it seems they are just unaware that dairy etc causes suffering and death as well and that it's virtually the same thing as the meat industry. It sounds like that girl was just trying to make the best use she could think of for the meat (for the carnivore/dog) and the "not meat" for herself. I hope that helps. Originally Posted By diss0nance
I'm all for conscious consumerism and making good healthy choices... sure. great. but this is insanity, isn't it? I just dont even want to bother drilling it down... it seems so obvious to me. I'm never going to be a vegan. I like vegan food, I like vegetarian food.. no problem. I dont have to eat meat. I can go without it... it's actually not that often that I buy it anymore. but I've got this problem with delusional purists, disrespecting FOOD, and making other people feel guilty. next dinner party I go to I'm bringing a pound of bacon wrapped sausages. It's not about disrespecting "food", or trying to make others feel guilty - it's about trying to get people to minimize the horror that is caused by their actions. It's about saving as many sentient beings (things that have nerves) from suffering as possible. It's not about attacking you, or making ourselves feel special. Why would you bring bacon wrapped sausages, kill more animals than is necessary, cause more suffering and waste more resources than is necessary, just to get people upset, because you feel attacked yourself? If you're mad at someone, take it out on them then or get your frustration out in some other way, don't take it out on the animals that have nothing to do with it. Originally Posted By paly trendy The vast majority of us are not doing it to be trendy, and as you should be able to see, it is not always easy socially to be vegan... Mise À Jour » Vegan a écrit sur Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 11:41pm If others hate us and feel that we are attacking them, well so be it - my aim is not to be popular, get people to like me. I'm not thinking about myself right now, it's not MY situation that's dire and needs the most attention. It's those animals who are being traumatically harmed. I'm just trying my best to promote compassion in the hopes that it will be less in the future.
If you hate some someone, OK! Don't misdirect your anger and take it out on the animals. Whether you hate me and the things I say or not, that should have no bearing on how you treat others. |
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| Neutral [0]Toggle ReplyLink» Nemorave a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 11:39pm |
 Coolness: 88975 | Originally Posted By VEGANNIBAL
it is not always easy socially to be vegan... The hell are you talking about not easy socialy???? Being gay is not easy socially... being vegan doesn't make a shitload of people marginalise you. WTF!!! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» the_big_jo a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 11:40pm |
| Coolness: 56525 | Originally Posted By VEGANNIBAL
Speciesism: It's another form of bigotry. Most of the people who are speciesist don't fully understand it, have never heard the term, and have no ill intent but it is a very sad and unnecessary thing in them that allows them to administer a great deal of suffering to others without giving it a second thought. It makes me very sad to see all the needless suffering because we are evidently so much better than everything else. Egocentrism is where you think you are better than others because they are not the same nationality as you. Speciesism is where you think you are better than others because they are not the same *species* as you. It comes down to where you draw the line, who you include in your circle of compassion. For me, whether or not I torture something does not depend on whether or not it is "like me" but whether or not it can feel (has nociceptors). Since animals (including all vertebrates and invertebrates) have nociceptors, and there is NO NEED WHATSOEVER for me to use/exploit them to sustain me, I feel that the only reasonable thing for me to do is to not use them. If we are truly the most evolved species on the planet (we are in some ways, not all, but definitely in some ways that have allowed us to gain the most power), shouldn't we use that evolution of mind to be responsible and take care of everything, instead of using it to TAKE ADVANTAGE OF everything while destroying it? You take ecstacy, right? Do you think that the chemicals used in its synthesis (things like formaldehyde, dichloromethane and mercury salts) are disposed of in an environmentally safe way? How can you not take this damage to the environment into account when the subject at hand is your drug use, but when it comes down to eating anything but pills, suddenly you care about whether or not it has "feelings" I wonder what you were on when you first came up with this concept of a "circle of compassion" |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 11:42pm |
| Coolness: 299265 | Vegannibal: You seem like a nice girl. Just as a warning, most people don't like getting other people's values pushed on them. You're digging your own grave here. It will definately backfire |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan a répondu le Mon 26 Jan, 2009 @ 11:51pm |
| Coolness: 38710 | Originally Posted By THE_BIG_JO
You take ecstacy, right? Do you think that the chemicals used in its synthesis (things like formaldehyde, dichloromethane and mercury salts) are disposed of in an environmentally safe way? How can you not take this damage to the environment into account when the subject at hand is your drug use, but when it comes down to eating anything but pills, suddenly you care about whether or not it has "feelings" I wonder what you were on when you first came up with this concept of a "circle of compassion" No I don't take ecstasy... I never have... that's a bold assumption to make. One of the reasons I don't do drugs (including pharmaceuticals) is for this reason among others. I am no hypocrite. My views do evolve and change and I keep an open mind for new information and I like to look at things from all sides of the coin, but I am no hypocrite... it's amazing how many people say things like "Well your shoes are leather. All vegans are hypocrites." ...my shoes are not leather.. they just assume, assume, accuse. Why is it unreasonable that someone would question "who is in my circle of compassion" when they are sober? There are many people who have done this sober. Many more are doing it all the time. Please kindly explain to me why you feel that someone must be on drugs to recognize and value compassion. This is like people saying that you need to be on drugs to dance all night. No, you don't. I am probably one of the most sober people you have ever spoken to. I'm not putting myself on a pedestal here, I don't claim sXe (straight-edge) and I don't think someone is better or worse for doing substances that I don't do myself... Please don't make statements (accusations?) that I do things, when there is no way you could know if I do them or not. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» the_big_jo a répondu le Tue 27 Jan, 2009 @ 12:06am |
| Coolness: 56525 | Then I apologize for assuming incorrectly.
But I still stand by the fact that vegetarianism/veganism is a form of hypocrisy. No matter which way you string it, there is still harm being done to animal/plant life whenever you go into any form of commercial production. (Your tofu container isn't made from 100% recycled plastic, is it?" |
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