Occupywallstreet
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo a répondu le Sun 30 Oct, 2011 @ 1:09am |
 Coolness: 146280 | I heard they took the generators in NYC... the reason was "fire hazard". The city tried to push firemen against us in MTL but they've been helping us instead :) |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Mon 31 Oct, 2011 @ 6:18am |
 Coolness: 145155 | good job flow, the police repression is gonna continue to amp up as the movement takes on more demands, last tuesday the 1% wallstreet sales tax became a central piece of the movement and the police repression increased, wallstreet is scared, they know if the idea begins to gain some traction among average people and it starts being debated on the floor of congress that it's really going to hurt them...
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Mon 31 Oct, 2011 @ 7:22pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Tue 1 Nov, 2011 @ 12:53pm |
| Coolness: 145155 | Ok it's time to expand the scope of the movement even more, the 1% sales tax on all securities is gaining ground.
For the States (i will come to canada in a moment) we need snap another plank on here, we want to take the fight from the cities to the country side, what we need is a blanket freeze on all foreclosures of primary residences and farms, what we need is Fraizer Lemke redux see here [ en.wikipedia.org ] if you can make a deal on some sort of payment plan and get any judge to approve it you keep your home. For Canada We need demands, Not much has floated up here, What are we trying to achieve? We need to answer this question. Someone who knows and has the time needs to go and look into the laws of derivative and securities investment particularly with regards to bay street. I don't have time to do this, if someone does then they should report back here with details and we can talk about taxing speculation here in canada. Like I said I don't have time right now but get the info and we can start retooling a plan. What other demands can we think of for canada? I suggested earlier that we could have a complete opposition to any bailout to any financial institution that is involved in any form of high risk speculation (derivatives, junk bonds, futures and options). More demands guys! What are the pressing concerns for our civilization and particularly our society. Maybe we need to talk about Dirigisme see here [ en.wikipedia.org ] The bank of canada can issue 100 year bonds with 0.1 percent interest for infrastructure construction, let's get some fast rail going, 2 hours from toronto to montreal, 3 hours from calgary to vancouver, building this will create jobs, the private sector can even get in on this and pick up contracts, this isn't bullshit ass state socialism but the government of a nation getting in to make the real big game changer projects between provinces and indeed across the whole country. also, why do we have a system where the corporate fat cats say "your going to go train yourself to work for us in our shitty jobs and your gonna pay for it yourself and we are going to charge you exorbitant interest on your debt for the rest of you life" this is idiotic we can't come up with something better, I think we can. I know it's getting cold just stay strong we may need to move inside, if that is the case then we need to start planing how we can set up teach ins and discussion groups while we wait for conditions to change for good campaign weather, that may be a while for us in montreal and everybody in the north east. We as party kids and ravers should help to find spots for workshops and teach ins, we're good at this type of thing. How hard can it be to find a spot to hold a thing in the evening for a few hours with a couple dozen people? If we can find venues to have illegal parties for 12 hours with 100s of people i think we can do this. anyway all from me for now, I am reminded of a Frederick Douglas quote "Power concedes nothing without a demand" start making demands guys. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Wed 2 Nov, 2011 @ 2:53am |
 Coolness: 129675 | I want more gigs, a rolex, 3 hours of studio time with Daft Punk for a collaboration, some hot chocolate and if possible a side order of apple pie
Make it quick, thanks |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo a répondu le Thu 3 Nov, 2011 @ 1:58am |
| Coolness: 146280 | [ xepisodes.com ] :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Sat 5 Nov, 2011 @ 9:27am |
| Coolness: 145155 | guy fawkes day, supposed to be a big day for the movement... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 a répondu le Sat 5 Nov, 2011 @ 11:17am |
 Coolness: 159075 | Isn't it supposed to be the day Facebook explodes in everybody's faces today ? * rolls eyes *
Ironically, a movie called "Anonymous" got released a couple of days ago. Indirect propaganda ftw ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo a répondu le Tue 8 Nov, 2011 @ 12:31pm |
| Coolness: 146280 | Here's a great article about economy :
Gray Matter Wanted: Worldly Philosophers By ROGER E. BACKHOUSE and BRADLEY W. BATEMAN Published: November 5, 2011 [ www.nytimes.com ] It’s become commonplace to criticize the “Occupy” movement for failing to offer an alternative vision. But the thousands of activists in the streets of New York and London aren’t the only ones lacking perspective: economists, to whom we might expect to turn for such vision, have long since given up thinking in terms of economic systems — and we are all the worse for it. This wasn’t always the case. Course lists from economics departments used to be filled with offerings in “comparative economic systems,” contrasting capitalism and socialism or comparing the French, Scandinavian and Anglo-Saxon models of capitalism. Such courses arose in the context of the cold war, when the battle with the Soviet Union was about showing that our system was better than theirs. But with the demise of the Soviet Union, that motivation disappeared. Globalization, so it is claimed, has created a single system of capitalism driven by international competition (ignoring the very real differences between, say, China and the United States). We now have an economics profession that hardly ever discusses its fundamental subject, “capitalism.” Many economists say that what matters are questions like whether markets are competitive or monopolistic, or how monetary policy works. Using broad, ill-defined notions like capitalism invites ideological grandstanding and distracts from the hard technical problems. There is a lot in that argument. Economists do much better when they tackle small, well-defined problems. As John Maynard Keynes put it, economists should become more like dentists: modest people who look at a small part of the body but remove a lot of pain. However, there are also downsides to approaching economics as a dentist would: above all, the loss of any vision about what the economic system should look like. Even Keynes himself was driven by a powerful vision of capitalism. He believed it was the only system that could create prosperity, but it was also inherently unstable and so in need of constant reform. This vision caught the imagination of a generation that had experienced the Great Depression and World War II and helped drive policy for nearly half a century. He was, as the economist Robert Heilbroner claimed, a “worldly philosopher,” alongside such economic visionaries as Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill and Karl Marx. In the 20th century, the main challenge to Keynes’s vision came from economists like Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman, who envisioned an ideal economy involving isolated individuals bargaining with one another in free markets. Government, they contended, usually messes things up. Overtaking a Keynesianism that many found inadequate to the task of tackling the stagflation of the 1970s, this vision fueled neoliberal and free-market conservative agendas of governments around the world. THAT vision has in turn been undermined by the current crisis. It took extensive government action to prevent another Great Depression, while the enormous rewards received by bankers at the heart of the meltdown have led many to ask whether unfettered capitalism produced an equitable distribution of wealth. We clearly need a new, alternative vision of capitalism. But thanks to decades of academic training in the “dentistry” approach to economics, today’s Keynes or Friedman is nowhere to be found. Another downside to the “dentistry” approach to economics is that important pieces of human experience can easily fall from sight. The government does not cut an abstract entity called “government spending” but numerous spending programs, from veterans’ benefits and homeland security to Medicare and Medicaid. To refuse to discuss ideas such as types of capitalism deprives us of language with which to think about these problems. It makes it easier to stop thinking about what the economic system is for and in whose interests it is working. Perhaps the protesters occupying Wall Street are not so misguided after all. The questions they raise — how do we deal with the local costs of global downturns? Is it fair that those who suffer the most from such downturns have their safety net cut, while those who generate the volatility are bailed out by the government? — are the same ones that a big-picture economic vision should address. If economists want to help create a better world, they first have to ask, and try to answer, the hard questions that can shape a new vision of capitalism’s potential. Roger E. Backhouse, a professor of economic history at the University of Birmingham, and Bradley W. Bateman, a professor of economics at Denison University, are the authors of “Capitalist Revolutionary: John Maynard Keynes.” |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK a répondu le Tue 8 Nov, 2011 @ 1:01pm |
 Coolness: 83830 | So besides the obvious things like rape, violence and rampant drug abuse... Has this thing figured out a point yet???
It's kinda looking stupider by the day, and Im starting to think that this 1% really isn't really cut out to represent the 98% who would actually like to see a proper revolution with a shared goal and not just a bunch of dirty hippies FREE LOADING and adding to the problem. It makes me physically angry to see so many people whining without anybody stepping up with any sort of game plan to find any solutions... So I believe I speak for the 98% when I say... HEY OCCUPY!!! MAN UP OR GO HOME YOU DEGENERATE PUSSIES!!! You are an embarrassment to the causes you stand for. =) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Tue 8 Nov, 2011 @ 6:05pm |
| Coolness: 129675 | Yeah seriously aside from sitting around enjoying free food and using restaurant washrooms
What the fuck do you guys do all day? You do realize you're costing the city millions just to loiter around. Thats OUR tax dollars which could be invested in actually helping the poor and buying new jets for the arctic. You guys really wanna help humanity you should go to Africa and help the starving kids, recycle your pyjamas, support a local record store, do something useful |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa a répondu le Tue 8 Nov, 2011 @ 7:43pm |
 Coolness: 158725 | Originally Posted By BLISSS
You do realize you're costing the city millions just to loiter around. Please explain that one? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kishmay_Pinas a répondu le Tue 8 Nov, 2011 @ 7:49pm |
 Coolness: 103210 | Our taxes?
Landowners pay municipals taxes. The taxes you pay really have fuck all to do with the city of MTL |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 a répondu le Tue 8 Nov, 2011 @ 8:06pm |
| Coolness: 159075 | Although, our municipal taxes pay for the frequent police routine check ups and the fire department's several visits to the occupation to verify fire hazards.
I do agree the occupation has gone from educating the masses to a global village social experiment. I mean, it's been a month of constant media exposure now, I think we all kind of got the point by now. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Tue 8 Nov, 2011 @ 8:41pm |
| Coolness: 106070 | Now would be a great time for that "invisible hand of the economy" to trickling down.
What has the 1% done to fix the situation so far? Have the governments acknowledged the problems? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo a répondu le Tue 8 Nov, 2011 @ 11:25pm |
| Coolness: 146280 | If you're not happy about what you perceive of the movement through the media, just go see for yourself the reality.
If you're not happy about how the movement is turning, it's your fault for not having joined it and making your voice heard. The occupation is just a reminder for the media that people are still organizing and trying to awaken others, gathering them for discussion. Raising the right questions, discussing about possible answers: this is what it's all about. Stop expecting a revolution right now, stop expecting "tangible results" within days or weeks, you'll just keep hurting yourselves. This is much bigger, smarter and long-term. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kishmay_Pinas a répondu le Wed 9 Nov, 2011 @ 8:21am |
| Coolness: 103210 | Originally Posted By V.2-1
Although, our municipal taxes pay for the frequent police routine check ups and the fire department's several visits to the occupation to verify fire hazards. I do agree the occupation has gone from educating the masses to a global village social experiment. I mean, it's been a month of constant media exposure now, I think we all kind of got the point by now. I agree entirely, just questioning what property Bliss owns to be do outraged as a "taxpayer" |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Wed 9 Nov, 2011 @ 10:53am |
| Coolness: 145155 | Originally Posted By FLO
If you're not happy about what you perceive of the movement through the media, just go see for yourself the reality. If you're not happy about how the movement is turning, it's your fault for not having joined it and making your voice heard. The occupation is just a reminder for the media that people are still organizing and trying to awaken others, gathering them for discussion. Raising the right questions, discussing about possible answers: this is what it's all about. Stop expecting a revolution right now, stop expecting "tangible results" within days or weeks, you'll just keep hurting yourselves. This is much bigger, smarter and long-term. the discussion has to end eventually, we have objectives to accomplish and a larger goal to realize, that is, smashing the power of finance capital. It's time to make a game plan for the spring. It's the election next year in the states we can really have an effect. We have to take what's happened with OWS and spread to the centers of power (the banks offices and the seats of government). We can have an effect, we can change the course of history, but it has to be now. It's time for demands, it's time for plans of action to disrupt the mechanics of power. it's not enough to just interpret the world, the point is to change it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo a répondu le Wed 9 Nov, 2011 @ 10:57am |
| Coolness: 146280 | If you know how to change it and are confident that most people will accept your ideas, then go for it, propose your plan at a General Assembly (Tuesday-Thursday 6pm, Saturday 1pm) or on the forum [ automnequebecois.com ] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 a répondu le Wed 9 Nov, 2011 @ 11:15am |
| Coolness: 159075 | Originally Posted By FLO
If you're not happy about what you perceive of the movement through the media, just go see for yourself the reality. If you're not happy about how the movement is turning, it's your fault for not having joined it and making your voice heard. It's funny how voicing out an opinion makes people so damn susceptible. Did I say I was unhappy about the occupation ? Questioning motives isn't the same as saying it sucks. Plus, learn how to read : I never said ANYTHING about how I personally perceive the occupation through the media. I'm saying more than once did journalists gave occupiers the mic to inform the population about the reasons for the occupation. Unless you've avoided watching the news - or reading about it online - for the last 3 months, the general population was subjected to the message already. And if not, word of mouth has taken care of those out of the loop. So it's not a question of education anymore. By now, we ALL know what the occupation is about. Your second argument is moot. Although my voice might've been heard, majority wins. Say I've joined the ranks of the occupiers, then after a month I say "guys, I think we oughta pack and go, our job is done", I can assure you the majority of the occupiers would reply "no problem man, no one's keeping you here, you're free to go. We're not going anywhere". Yes, my voice was indeed heard but no one's entitled to agree to it. Originally Posted By FLO
The occupation is just a reminder for the media that people are still organizing and trying to awaken others, gathering them for discussion. Awaken others ? Unless they are below 6 years old, I can't name ONE PERSON who hasn't heard about the occupation and its message at this very moment. Unless someone's been living under a rock for the past year, who else needs to be awaken ? Originally Posted By FLO
Raising the right questions, discussing about possible answers: this is what it's all about. I'm all up for discussion. But why isn't this done on websites dedicated to that specifically ? Through social networks ? Billboards ? Special meetings in key locations ? Why a full-blown occupation when the message can be heard a lot faster online ? Wait, I know why. Because 1. the internet is part of that whole capitalist ploy since you have to pay to access it thus making ISPs richer and that doesn't fly with the occupiers and 2. because it's eye candy. 100 people storming a park and camping there for months is going to generate long term media coverage ( obviously, politely asking for a spot on the news won't work. You'll get 15 minute coverage and then it's on to sports and the weather ) as opposed to online. Oh sure, of course that's not what it's all about. Right. Originally Posted By FLO
Stop expecting a revolution right now, stop expecting "tangible results" within days or weeks, you'll just keep hurting yourselves. This is much bigger, smarter and long-term. But what if those tangible results don't come ? What if your expectations of a revised capitalist system aren't applied ? What if those greedy bastards out there don't change ? Will be occupation go on for years ? Do you think the 1% haven't heard about you and the 99% ? Discussion is necessary, I do realize that but it's actions that'll get the job done. And I'm just not sure I understand why this discussion has to take place in a bunch of makeshift tents lying on concrete in a park somewhere when discussion can be accomplished anywhere in less dire conditions. Oh, media coverage from TV channels owned by mega-corporations belonging to the 1%, right. I forgot about that one again, my bad. @Kishmay_Pinas : no worries dude, that's why my reply wasn't accusatory. :) |
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