Dubstep Scene?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» perception a répondu le Wed 19 Jan, 2011 @ 4:33pm |
 Coolness: 65915 | Originally Posted By WHITELIGHT
Interesting fact: heavier/more agressive music usually brings younger people. You will probably see a younger crowd at events where "filthy" dubstep or dark psy is playing, while deeper styles of dubstep and progressive psy will usually attract a more mature crowd. I agree that harder beats bring the younger crowds!! but I am tending to disagree that dark psy brings younger peeps, I've noticed that the only survivors of dark psy are the older more experienced rave dancers, younger peeps like the hard full on tunnel (psy)trance, like frozen ghost or what not, while dark psy, Russian steez usually kills most baby ravers :p When Shangoo plays the floor usually clears out with a few exceptions. Just my opinion. progressive psy definitely brings out the older crowd!!!!!!! And Ambient even more so, or maybe just more seasoned hippies :D sticking with dubstep = young ;) heehee |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA a répondu le Wed 19 Jan, 2011 @ 4:39pm |
 Coolness: 166575 | dubstep = young because the music style is fairly new.....
where does dubstep come from? what are the influences of it, in what style does it find it's roots? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo a répondu le Wed 19 Jan, 2011 @ 4:42pm |
 Coolness: 146325 | Originally Posted By YOSHIN
where does dubstep come from? what are the influences of it, in what style does it find it's roots? dub/reggae somehow a crossover between dub culture and 2-step aka techno-ish downtempo beats with half of the kicks. all of the fidgetty glittery wobbly stuff came later :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» KounteSs a répondu le Wed 19 Jan, 2011 @ 4:46pm |
 Coolness: 39415 | Originally Posted By PONCHALICE
... pretty much sums up the dubstep vibe. only my opinion though... Yo ponchalice, this is not really useful, WHY exactly do you not like that vibe? (aka constructive arguments?) thanks :) and I like the bare noize video! shows that the vibe can be great if you just get into the music lol |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Wed 19 Jan, 2011 @ 4:49pm |
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i thought he was scottish. I'm half Scottish, half English. Scotland is part of the United Kingdom (UK) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» WhiteLight a répondu le Wed 19 Jan, 2011 @ 8:17pm |
 Coolness: 50380 | Originally Posted By YOSHIN
dubstep = young because the music style is fairly new..... where does dubstep come from? what are the influences of it, in what style does it find it's roots? Dubstep comes from 2step and garage. It then got heavily influenced by DnB and Dub reggae and techno. About three years ago, dubstep was pretty cool 'cause it wasn't static and a very eclectic genre. Then things got outta hands... Now it seems like all the kids want to hear the same electro/emo dubstep remix all over again. There is still very good dubstep, but it's not what's popular with the Montreal crowd. I'm not complaining about the style of what's popular... I like heavy music, filthy sounds once in a while too. But what's happening at the moment is a lack of novelty, a crowd and music that is sinking into comformity. Peace |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Wed 19 Jan, 2011 @ 8:31pm |
 Coolness: 166545 | i dunno man .. if the 'kids' have expropriated the sound, so what? a new sound for a new generation. most styles of music start out cool, get popped, get generic, and then get cool again some years later with new influence and different (mostly better) production techniques.
ie. i like industrial alot, but there's alot of crap out there. doesn't mean the whole genre is shit. i miss some of my 'older' friends at dubstep events too, and some of the next gen weren't raised proper and are just getting used to being high n' drunk, but that doesn't mean i can't have a good time despite them. (besides, i'm getting to know some of these youngens, in a non-creepy way XD ) as for being popular or commercial, well, there's d'n'b and breaks in car ads, techno everywhere, industrial in blockbuster matrix types movies, and all kinds of trance at 20,000 people parties 'round the world .. welcome to the future. my half-a-cent ... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Wed 19 Jan, 2011 @ 11:20pm |
| Coolness: 129720 | The best commercial use of a track. Aphex Twin under the Caustic Window alias. The track in this commercial is brutal, just imagine this playing at 7 pm during family supertime muhahaha... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» WhiteLight a répondu le Thu 20 Jan, 2011 @ 6:21am |
| Coolness: 50380 | I like this one. Kinda funny for some reason... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Termina a répondu le Thu 20 Jan, 2011 @ 2:24pm |
 Coolness: 86090 | Originally Posted By ZOMBIENATHAN
i dunno man .. if the 'kids' have expropriated the sound, so what? a new sound for a new generation. most styles of music start out cool, get popped, get generic, and then get cool again some years later with new influence and different (mostly better) production techniques. ie. i like industrial alot, but there's alot of crap out there. doesn't mean the whole genre is shit. i miss some of my 'older' friends at dubstep events too, and some of the next gen weren't raised proper and are just getting used to being high n' drunk, but that doesn't mean i can't have a good time despite them. (besides, i'm getting to know some of these youngens, in a non-creepy way XD ) as for being popular or commercial, well, there's d'n'b and breaks in car ads, techno everywhere, industrial in blockbuster matrix types movies, and all kinds of trance at 20,000 people parties 'round the world .. welcome to the future. my half-a-cent ... Industrial began losing sense of itself in the 90s. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH a répondu le Thu 20 Jan, 2011 @ 6:01pm |
 Coolness: 226275 | Originally Posted By SLUGBAIT
Industrial began losing sense of itself in the 90s. Dude! Srsly, Like you were around in the nineties to actually get it. Come on, I appreciate they way you can name a million bands off the top of your head, but don't go dissin' time you have no i deas about. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Thu 20 Jan, 2011 @ 6:13pm |
| Coolness: 166545 | well, the 90s were all about industrial-metal type stuff .. good shit too: ministry, fla, manson, skinny puppy, etc. , and of course, alot of crap too. it happens to all styles of music.
though i agree, the throbbing gristle era mentality definitely got lost by the late 80s .. meh, them be the breaks. puppy and ministry kept it alive for a while, but now most of what we get is more dancefloor oriented. but there are others keeping up the original ideas ... .. . |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH a répondu le Thu 20 Jan, 2011 @ 6:46pm |
| Coolness: 226275 | Originally Posted By ZOMBIENATHAN
well, the 90s were all about industrial-metal type stuff .. good shit too: ministry, fla, manson, skinny puppy, etc. , and of course, alot of crap too. it happens to all styles of music. though i agree, the throbbing gristle era mentality definitely got lost by the late 80s .. meh, them be the breaks. puppy and ministry kept it alive for a while, but now most of what we get is more dancefloor oriented. but there are others keeping up the original ideas ... .. . I agree, but being a sentimental dude, the music itself is only half the experience. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Termina a répondu le Thu 20 Jan, 2011 @ 6:54pm |
| Coolness: 86090 | Originally Posted By ZOMBIENATHAN
but there are others keeping up the original ideas ... .. . *raises hand* Edit: Death Industrial is where the old mentality lies. (for the most part) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» KORHAL a répondu le Thu 20 Jan, 2011 @ 9:25pm |
 Coolness: 558550 | So where's my Rick Dubstep Roll at y'all? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Thu 20 Jan, 2011 @ 9:34pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead a répondu le Thu 20 Jan, 2011 @ 10:57pm |
 Coolness: 75670 | Originally Posted By ZOMBIENATHAN
well, the 90s were all about industrial-metal type stuff .. good shit too: ministry, fla, manson, skinny puppy, etc. , and of course, alot of crap too. it happens to all styles of music. to be fair; that's simply the sound that found the biggest home... and for FLA it was really just the Millenium album (which Leeb viewed as an experiment, but Fulber - working closely with Fear Factory at the time - wanted to continue)... You and I know that there was a lot of stuff going on outside the confines of what the major labels were distributing... some artists were pushing the boundaries of sampling (ie: Negativland, Evolution Control Committee - and other artists associated with the fledgling Illegal Arts label), the noise community was also viewed as an offshoot of traditional industrial... and there was a ton of that going on in Japan (Masonna, Merzbow, Aube, CCCC, Incapacitants, Geregerigegege), Stateside (Trance, Illusion of Safety, Cock ESP, Princess Dragon-Mom)... not to mention all the weirdness that the World Serpent folk were doing in the UK. anyhow - this is derailing the thread somewhat - but at the same time, what's happening on the surface doesn't always correspond with what's going on in the underground... in fact, it's almost impossible that it ever really does... even now, when music can theoretically reach an incalculable number of people in a seemingly infinitesimal amount of time, there is always bound to be some lag... and when something gets caught in the public eye, and money starts to really change hands, there is often a financial value in sticking to a certain sound that's been identified as palatable to the masses (ie: get used to dubstep remixes of pop songs, because there are likely to be a whole lot more of them)... anyhow - didn't mean to get into a rant, or shit on anyone's parade... because the bottom line is - like what sounds good to you, and check out what you're interested in... music can generate a sense of community, but you can enjoy it even if it doesn't. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Olivia a répondu le Thu 20 Jan, 2011 @ 11:34pm |
 Coolness: 67005 | Originally Posted By RAVEDAVE
arent u a west islander? aren't u like just 18? ha! born and raised in mtl;) and yep i am 18... i don't think you read my comment haha but thanks for reminding me XD anyways... dubstep used to be dirty and for the love of the music itself... now its.. money? 2000+ people? what happened to the underground! free party! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Termina a répondu le Fri 21 Jan, 2011 @ 1:00am |
| Coolness: 86090 | Originally Posted By FISHEAD
to be fair; that's simply the sound that found the biggest home... and for FLA it was really just the Millenium album (which Leeb viewed as an experiment, but Fulber - working closely with Fear Factory at the time - wanted to continue)... You and I know that there was a lot of stuff going on outside the confines of what the major labels were distributing... some artists were pushing the boundaries of sampling (ie: Negativland, Evolution Control Committee - and other artists associated with the fledgling Illegal Arts label), the noise community was also viewed as an offshoot of traditional industrial... and there was a ton of that going on in Japan (Masonna, Merzbow, Aube, CCCC, Incapacitants, Geregerigegege), Stateside (Trance, Illusion of Safety, Cock ESP, Princess Dragon-Mom)... not to mention all the weirdness that the World Serpent folk were doing in the UK. anyhow - this is derailing the thread somewhat - but at the same time, what's happening on the surface doesn't always correspond with what's going on in the underground... in fact, it's almost impossible that it ever really does... even now, when music can theoretically reach an incalculable number of people in a seemingly infinitesimal amount of time, there is always bound to be some lag... and when something gets caught in the public eye, and money starts to really change hands, there is often a financial value in sticking to a certain sound that's been identified as palatable to the masses (ie: get used to dubstep remixes of pop songs, because there are likely to be a whole lot more of them)... anyhow - didn't mean to get into a rant, or shit on anyone's parade... because the bottom line is - like what sounds good to you, and check out what you're interested in... music can generate a sense of community, but you can enjoy it even if it doesn't. qft |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly a répondu le Fri 21 Jan, 2011 @ 1:22am |
 Coolness: 76710 | Originally Posted By FISHEAD
to be fair; that's simply the sound that found the biggest home... and for FLA it was really just the Millenium album (which Leeb viewed as an experiment, but Fulber - working closely with Fear Factory at the time - wanted to continue)... You and I know that there was a lot of stuff going on outside the confines of what the major labels were distributing... some artists were pushing the boundaries of sampling (ie: Negativland, Evolution Control Committee - and other artists associated with the fledgling Illegal Arts label), the noise community was also viewed as an offshoot of traditional industrial... and there was a ton of that going on in Japan (Masonna, Merzbow, Aube, CCCC, Incapacitants, Geregerigegege), Stateside (Trance, Illusion of Safety, Cock ESP, Princess Dragon-Mom)... not to mention all the weirdness that the World Serpent folk were doing in the UK. anyhow - this is derailing the thread somewhat - but at the same time, what's happening on the surface doesn't always correspond with what's going on in the underground... in fact, it's almost impossible that it ever really does... even now, when music can theoretically reach an incalculable number of people in a seemingly infinitesimal amount of time, there is always bound to be some lag... and when something gets caught in the public eye, and money starts to really change hands, there is often a financial value in sticking to a certain sound that's been identified as palatable to the masses (ie: get used to dubstep remixes of pop songs, because there are likely to be a whole lot more of them)... anyhow - didn't mean to get into a rant, or shit on anyone's parade... because the bottom line is - like what sounds good to you, and check out what you're interested in... music can generate a sense of community, but you can enjoy it even if it doesn't. :,( I miss you Colin. Once again, you know exactly what you're talking about and tell it like it is. The 90s were full of a lot of amazing innovation. Tons. Some of my favourites were on totally unknown labels as far as the rest of the world was concerned but made the nicest music and some of the most amazing albums (art especially) ever concocted. Schematic, Skam, Warp, Planet Mu, Rephlex, DHR, to name a few... the IDM (and to a lesser extent digital hardcore) sound which now influences pretty much everything from dirty south hip hop to dubstep (to stay on topic) developed behind the scenes of the more mainstream (but still underground) electronic scenes, which I'm sure I don't need to list here, for the sake of brevity. Not to make a real argument out of it, since I also like industrial-metal sounds, but what was on the radio was barely ever reflective of what was actually going on behind it all. Most of the bands that made it there were referencing and underground early 90s sound or groups from the 80s, and that covers everything from industrial to metal to shoegazer to post-punk to grunge to punk to fucking whatever. The lineage always goes back because the truly talented musicians pay their dues. They listen to everything they can get their hands on. They don't pigeonhole their tastes like a lot of scenesters do. This is why I think it's so hard to understand any genres that suddenly blow up. The worry with a lot of people is that the scenes that start up have no regard for what came before, and that the styles of music that develop are breaking away too much from the lineage. I thought that was the case with dubstep, but for all the shitty brostep and clubstep remixes of LaRoux that everyone can't seem to get enough of there is some serious innovation going on with it. And I think the reason has to do with it being a different rhythm. After the 90s it felt like electronic music had exhausted all its potential moods and feels. And here comes something that sort of stands astride of a bunch of them. In many ways I feel like it sounds remotely like industrial music, but if placed side by side with say, Throbbing Gristle, it's clear it's not as experimental, and placed side by side with Fear Factory, unfortunately Fear Factory sounds weak. We've gotten used to louder and more abrasive sounds as the world evolves, and have accepted more "noise" into the fold of "music". This is why these squelchy stepping filters and sidechained compression tricks are now so central. |
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