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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Mon 15 Nov, 2010 @ 1:56pm |
 Coolness: 106075 | It may be possible to obtain balance with supplements and a strict diet. But beens and corn?
A lot of peoples find beens and corn quite hard to digest, and for a nutriment to be well assimilated, first it has to be well digested. Most peoples have no problems digesting meats. And you really get a lot of what you need in meats. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo a répondu le Mon 15 Nov, 2010 @ 2:04pm |
 Coolness: 146285 | "corn + red beans" is an excellent meat substitute with respect to amino-acids, and so is "couscous + chickpeas".
There are a number of vegetarian combinations that have been used for millenia in South America, Africa, India, etc. as meat replacement. Meat may not be hard to digest to most people, but it's full of toxins. I don't think corn and beans is actually "hard to digest" to anybody...?! Beans can make you fart, ok, and they are so rich in fibers that when you're not used to fibers, your digestive system needs a few days to adapt back to normal. It's all a question of balance over time and between the kinds of nutriments your include in your diet. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Niji a répondu le Mon 15 Nov, 2010 @ 2:08pm |
 Coolness: 70175 | google "corn" and "digestion", you'll see that there's quite a few questions from people, or articles, going "why is corn hard to digest for humans?". While thus alone doesn't mean that corn definitely is hard to digest for us, it certainly means that there is a significant amount of people who do have difficulties.
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» perception a répondu le Mon 15 Nov, 2010 @ 2:11pm |
 Coolness: 65875 | it is things like this that make me re-think eating meat [ www.care2.com ] that's my main motivation...
As for the corn and red beans, it was an example... one of many... to show that you can get all the essential amino acids from a correct combinations of non-meat products... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Mon 15 Nov, 2010 @ 2:24pm |
| Coolness: 106075 | I think any and most tribes that ate the said combinations probably did so out of necessity and were quite stoked to eat meat when the opportunity presented itself. Besides, I dont live in Africa or South America so the parameters are radically different. The temperature is different, the light is different, the types of indigenous fruits and vegetables are quite different also.
There is not one logical diet, diets are quite personal and are adapted to your body type (allergies, intolerances, genetic heritage) to your lifestyle and to availability of quality food and water. The Inuit peoples have Survived and flourished for thousands of years in spite of the fact that they had no fruits and vegetables. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo a répondu le Mon 15 Nov, 2010 @ 2:31pm |
| Coolness: 146285 | Originally Posted By NIJI
google "corn" and "digestion", you'll see that there's quite a few questions from people, or articles, going "why is corn hard to digest for humans?". While thus alone doesn't mean that corn definitely is hard to digest for us, it certainly means that there is a significant amount of people who do have difficulties. CORN [ www.wired.com ] I guess one of the main reasons for that is the over-consumption of corn in north america (cob, syrup, bread, flour, starch, etc.), especially through industry and GMOs... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Niji a répondu le Mon 15 Nov, 2010 @ 2:34pm |
| Coolness: 70175 | Screw corn, grow hemp. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Mon 15 Nov, 2010 @ 2:41pm |
| Coolness: 106075 | yes |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Mon 15 Nov, 2010 @ 9:30pm |
 Coolness: 685550 | This is gonna be fun, I haven't had everyone call me the 2nd coming of hitler for a couple of months now..
Being vegetarian is a great thing if you're totally selfish and think of nothing but yourself and wish to feed your ego, but from an evolutionary perspective, the human species wouldn't be where we are today if it wasn't for meat eating, to the point where a diet that doesn't involve meat is an evolutionary step backwards. For one, fruits and vegetables (especially raw) require more energy to process the tough fibers, which is energy that is diverted away from the brain, making vegetarians/vegans have less ability to think complex thoughts for long periods of time. (which really is more of an argument against raw foodies, because vegetarians/vegans can/will cook their food, which makes it easier for the gut to breakdown, but the more raw/uncooked food you eat, the harder it is for your body to process, the more energy is diverted to your gut, and the less energy you have for processing thought) There's also the change in our body to take into account - our gut is much reduced in size now as it was 2.3 million years ago, which makes it inefficient at digesting vegetables. IMO, making a decision about health using your emotions and opinions is one of the single stupidest things a person can do - it's pretty much the same as those people who don't take their children to a doctor because they believe that the power of prayer and their faith in god will heal their sick children. When it comes to your health, you should never involve ideals, emotions or faith, and that goes to trusting most "nutritionists". A degree in nutrition doesn't involve going to university - it's a once-semester college-level course. A nutritionist isn't a person who has even close to the amount of training or knowledge needed to give proper health advice to anyone. It's like asking a taxi driver to repair an F1 racer. [ www.npr.org ] [ www.sciencedaily.com ] [ www.utsc.utoronto.ca ] [ news.nationalgeographic.com ] Obviously cooking food is an important part of what helped us evolve to where we are now, but meat also plays a vital part in our lives, as we've evolved to need a higher amount of fat and cholesterol than can be provided by fruits and vegetables alone.. In fact the raw foodies are pretty much even worse off than the vegetarians/vegans, as it takes 12lbs of raw fruits and vegetables a day to keep healthy and have the needed amounts of vitamins and nutrients.. but that doesn't change that vegetarianism/veganism is a backwards step in human evolution. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 11:18am |
 Coolness: 158195 | There is room for all creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes.
Hmmmmmmmmmm steak. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 11:19am |
 Coolness: 294935 | mash potatoes and gravy sauce! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Niji a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 11:23am |
| Coolness: 70175 | le gravy sauce, c'est comme le pont bridge ça ? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 11:26am |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 11:28am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Lady_A a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 11:45am |
 Coolness: 96610 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
For one, fruits and vegetables (especially raw) require more energy to process the tough fibers, which is energy that is diverted away from the brain, making vegetarians/vegans have less ability to think complex thoughts for long periods of time. Wow, I think of a few vegetarians I know and... yup. Weird o_O I'm for eating less meat, for economical and environmental reasons. But I couldn't remove it entirely from my diet. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 1:43pm |
| Coolness: 146285 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
Being vegetarian is a great thing if you're totally selfish and think of nothing but yourself and wish to feed your ego, but from an evolutionary perspective, the human species wouldn't be where we are today if it wasn't for meat eating, to the point where a diet that doesn't involve meat is an evolutionary step backwards. Evolution, like you say, requires change. Maybe humanity would be far better now if we wouldn't have eaten meat at all, or not as much as we did! Or maybe not. You cannot know and this rationale isn't valid, that's what I'm saying here. Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
For one, fruits and vegetables (especially raw) require more energy to process the tough fibers, which is energy that is diverted away from the brain, making vegetarians/vegans have less ability to think complex thoughts for long periods of time. (which really is more of an argument against raw foodies, because vegetarians/vegans can/will cook their food, which makes it easier for the gut to breakdown, but the more raw/uncooked food you eat, the harder it is for your body to process, the more energy is diverted to your gut, and the less energy you have for processing thought) This is an over-simplified view. There are a lot of neurons in the belly and digestive system (as well as in other places, such as the marrow). The belly is being considered more and more by occidental medicine as a "second brain". Intelligence is not "thought" only, and IQ is just a narrow and short-sighted measure of one type of intelligence (mainly "logical intelligence"). Intelligence can be divided into several categories, such as logical/mathematical/deductive, musical/rythmic, emotional (internal/self-awareness), emotional (external/social), spatial/visual, physical/kinetic/body-related, verbal/linguistic, etc. People not eating meat may seem less intelligent to people focusing on logical/mathematical intelligence, because this type of intelligence is much related to cerebral activity and "thought processing". However, "meatless people" (lol) are more prone to be better at physical/body-related, self-awareness and social intelligences, since it involves more feeling and breathing than cerebral thinking. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Rakoon a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 2:04pm |
 Coolness: 175400 | Guys, for the environment , and plants, animals and whatever things
we should start eat in the trashes you know, all this food in are garbage cans all this "unused" food is such a waste :p |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Niji a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 2:26pm |
| Coolness: 70175 | Originally Posted By FLO
Evolution, like you say, requires change. Maybe humanity would be far better now if we wouldn't have eaten meat at all, or not as much as we did! Or maybe not. You cannot know and this rationale isn't valid, that's what I'm saying here. Evolution isn't, as many people think, people developing new things in order to adapt to something that's been put in their environment. What it really is, is survival of the fittest. Those who have the qualities better adapted to the environment, either through mutation, learning, or whatever else, survive. (Mutations and knowledge can be passed on to your progeny. The way your digestive tract changes because of what you eat in your lifetime, probably can't.) I would suppose that, a long long time ago, hunters had more chances of having a long life than gatherers (therefore more opportunities to reproduce), because, well, they knew how to fight. Could defend themselves against aggressors. Today, I really don't think that diet choices affect individuals to such an extent that they would have a better chance of survival (yeah, yeah, clogged arteries kill, whatever, we still live way beyond 30 even with such health issues... except in some of those extreme cases we hear about in the news), or more opportunities to reproduce (though I must admit, if you're gonna whine every time you smell meat, I probably won't want to have your babies). Maybe the diet choices of society in general will influence whether we end up draining our resources to the point where we'd eventually become extinct. I'm not denying that possibility ! But I really think we're gonna find technology that allows us to develop means of avoiding that. Until then: how about we go for balance? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 2:36pm |
| Coolness: 294935 | I'll go for a beer though! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» LeChat a répondu le Tue 16 Nov, 2010 @ 2:52pm |
 Coolness: 115495 | Originally Posted By JOJOBIZARRE
I'll go for a beer though! +1! |
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