Injunction - Injonction -- Pola The Movie
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 11:02am |
 Coolness: 226385 | Noah: It is the job of the "injunctionned" to make shure what was prescribed is applied.
<Hypothetics> If Johanna (whoever she might be) decides to show a movies that was legally put on hold, AND KNOWING it was put on hold, makes her a accomplice. </hypothetics> You can't fuck with the law. And you can't go around screamin "Liberty of expression" just so adertisement value on a mentionned website in the movie would go up drastically. Don't wanna make this personnal Noah, but I think you're pushing wayyyyy to hard for something you supposedly have nothing to gain from. IMHO: Profit is NOT a good reason to baffle people's will to be in a film. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 11:04am |
 Coolness: 2604095 | This is not about people's will... It's about a clip from Bal En Blanc or Sensation or whatever Playground people claim they want removed. Not necessarily from the movie (since they don't even know if anything of theirs is in the movie), but from the trailer (youtube collage) which is online.
The whole thing is going to be a waste of time and energy and money from people on both sides in the end. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 11:11am |
| Coolness: 226385 | Originally Posted By NUCLEAR
This is not about people's will... It's about clips from Bal En Blanc or Sensation or whatever Playground people claim they want removed. Not necessarily from the movie (since they don't even know if anything of theirs is in the movie), but from the trailer (you youtube collage) which is online. The whole thing is going to be a waste of time and energy and money from people on both sides in the end. Nice avoidance skeels there bro. But still, I'm asking you what is your angle on this, I mean, promoting the breakage of a court order for freedome of speech? I mean there's clearly something in it for you, I mean, you usually support the masses, and here you go going all Marxist and shit... Pshaw... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 11:19am |
| Coolness: 2604095 | I've always believed that censorship is not the answer... I believe that people should be able to do what they want especially if they are not charging for what they are offering. I believe that copyright laws are only there to protect some of the corporations out there. I think people should be able to take anything, make it better and then be able to do what they want with it. That is how the world advances and not stagnates. That is why all the technology is no longer made in North America because in other places of the world that is exactly what they do. Here one person has a right to something no one can make it better besides the company which owns the product. The don't make advancements because there is no point. In other places, people can take any product, make it better and it's up to the first one to improve theirs.
I've dealt with courts before and everyone involved in them are normally criminals or people with lots of money who think they can push whatever they want using the laws they create. The only winners in court are the lawyers in most of the cases. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 11:21am |
| Coolness: 226385 | Originally Posted By NUCLEAR
The only winners in court are the lawyers in most of the cases. Broken record much... I mean, I'm shure you do have a copy of it somewhere, why don't YOU leak it if you think it's so okay? I dare you. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 11:41am |
| Coolness: 2604095 | Do you... Watch what you dare for :)... Although even if I did have a copy of the movie, I would need a group of at least 10 people from around the world who supported the leaking of the video online to host it so if one node went down, the others would still be around to share the file. Unfortunately right now I don't have these contacts. It would be pointless to have it shared from just on one server. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 11:42am |
 Coolness: 685700 | Originally Posted By NUCLEAR
Do you... Watch what you dare for :)... Although even if I did have a copy of the movie, I would need a group of at least 10 people from around the world who supported the leaking of the video online to host it so if one node went down, the others would still be around to share the file. Unfortunately right now I don't have these contacts. It would be pointless to have it shared from just on one server. Isn't that the whole point of torrents? Throw it up on an open tracker, someone will download it.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Rakoon a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 11:46am |
 Coolness: 175550 | Noah if you really want to do documentary about the montreal rave scene
I mean ... a real one ... somebody else can do it, and 100% legal ... no? :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 11:52am |
| Coolness: 685700 | Originally Posted By RAKOON
Noah if you really want to do documentary about the montreal rave scene I mean ... a real one ... somebody else can do it, and 100% legal ... no? :) qft Everything about this movie, from the Pola title to using un-cleared footage and unlicensed music is sketchy as hell. Why not do something where *gasp* sober people, like the DJs, are interviewed, or people who aren't necessarily off their tits are asked some questions.. all professionaly and properly, with signed waivers.. maybe even have a soundtrack that consists of music from local producers so you don't have to worry about licensing anything.. You want a free documentary, well make it, but make it actually free, not "well I don't feel like paying for this so I'm going to steal it" free. And for party footage, make it KNOWN; put on the flyer/event page that there will be a camera filming, and that to get into the party you've got to sign a "guest-book" which says you're giving the person making X documentary the right to use footage that contains you in it, because that's the way something that's real and professional is done. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 12:02pm |
| Coolness: 226385 | Originally Posted By RAKOON
Noah if you really want to do documentary about the montreal rave scene I mean ... a real one ... somebody else can do it, and 100% legal ... no? :) QFT. Originally Posted By nuclear
Do you... Watch what you dare for :)... Although even if I did have a copy of the movie, I would need a group of at least 10 people from around the world who supported the leaking of the video online to host it so if one node went down, the others would still be around to share the file. Unfortunately right now I don't have these contacts. It would be pointless to have it shared from just on one server. Yeah, it might be a little hard to find 10 people willing to help violate a ruling from the canadian supreme court. ;) Why can't you guys just fucking wait 8 measly days, then show the movie? Why go thru all that shit after all the efforts [sic] put in this production? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 12:10pm |
| Coolness: 2604095 | The movie concept is perfect and real. Why make a fakumentary when there are real people talking in this one who have interesting things to say. Why would I want to have a video which is all fake. As far as I'm concerned everyone knew when they were talking into Antonino's camera that they were to maybe be in the film he was making. Otherwise they would not be talking about this stuff just into a camera. He didn't hide the fact that he was going to be making a movie when he was filming people. I must have heard over 1000 times Antonino stating that he was filming for a movie he was working on. I'm sure you heard the same thing over 1000 times.
As for the images Playground claims are in the movie. I dunno but I think they are over reacting and I hope it causes them to loose at least a couple of their clients which is all the people who don't agree with what they are doing. There are quite a few of us and some of us have supported their events in the past. I for one have been to at least 3 of their events, if not more. I won't be going to any more. Personally I don't care to see any of their events shown in the movie either. I'd like to see clips where people talk about the Playground events in the movie. I'd want unbiased feedback. Obviously some people like their events and probably some people don't. Maybe for a part 2 there can be more of this. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Cloudeur a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 1:13pm |
 Coolness: 70230 | I don't want to be the devil's advocate, and I've got nothing personally against either you Noah, or Antonino, but has anyone ever read the terms of use of YouTube? You're stating from tthe start that anyone can upload anything from the start of this thread, so please read the following paragraphs of their terms of use :
[ www.youtube.com ] D. You agree not to use the Website, including the YouTube Embeddable Player for any commercial use, without the prior written authorization of YouTube. Prohibited commercial uses include any of the following actions taken without YouTube's express approval: sale of access to the Website or its related services (such as the Embeddable Player) on another website; use of the Website or its related services (such as the Embeddable Player), for the primary purpose of gaining advertising or subscription revenue; the sale of advertising, on the YouTube website or any third-party website, targeted to the content of specific User Submissions or YouTube content; and any use of the Website or its related services (such as the Embeddable Player) that YouTube finds, in its sole discretion, to use YouTube's resources or User Submissions with the effect of competing with or displacing the market for YouTube, YouTube content, or its User Submissions. (For more information about prohibited commercial uses, see our FAQ.) I'm wondering if anyone involved in the production of Pola the movie has read this notice, because if you gain advertisement from youtube without their consent, they can remove these videos. 6. Your User Submissions and Conduct B. You shall be solely responsible for your own User Submissions and the consequences of posting or publishing them. In connection with User Submissions, you affirm, represent, and/or warrant that: you own or have the necessary licenses, rights, consents, and permissions to use and authorize YouTube to use all patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights in and to any and all User Submissions and have all necessary consents to collect, use and disclose any personally identifiable information contained or displayed in any and all User Submissions to enable inclusion and use of the User Submissions in the manner contemplated by the Website and these Terms of Service. So basically, I find something with me, that doesn't make me look good, on YouTube, I have the right to ask them to remove it. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 1:39pm |
| Coolness: 2604095 | Yes I know how Americans are all paranoid about their image even though their image is horrible to most of the world. Personally I'd use one of the European or Asian video hosting sites for stuff like this since they don't have the same rules we do here.
Also they would have to get an American court to get something off youtube which is a little harder then getting a Canadian court to do it I think. Not positive about that one. For sure overseas, there would be no problems, they probably don't even speak English. I've already mentioned I don't really care to see Tiesto or any of the DJ's who pay people to make their own music in the POLA movie. I don't even think the movie ever had any of that stuff in it. From what I understand the POLA movie is mostly interviews with people and such. Which means dialog. There are enough interviews of Tiesto... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Rakoon a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 1:45pm |
| Coolness: 175550 | It's not paranoia, it's honor
If I'm in a movie The movie have to be good .... and "clean" |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ufot a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 1:50pm |
 Coolness: 93210 | Originally Posted By NUCLEAR
Yes I know how Americans are all paranoid about their image even though their image is horrible to most of the world. Personally I'd use one of the European or Asian video hosting sites for stuff like this since they don't have the same rules we do here. Also they would have to get an American court to get something off youtube which is a little harder then getting a Canadian court to do it I think. Not positive about that one. For sure overseas, there would be no problems, they probably don't even speak English. Honestly Noah, I can't fathom why you are defending this so vehemently, the only thing I can surmise is that you have some stake in this that you are not divulging, which is fine but slightly hypocritical since you preach ultra transparency... Not every one is paranoid in North America, and if people want their image and or life kept private, IT IS THEIR RIGHT. You, nor I, nor anyone else can take away peoples rights to privacy concerning their own lives, and should desire that power over peoples privacy beware, that's a pretty slippery slope... I am all for freedom of information and the right to public property, but some stuff is really better left in peoples basements and not no the web, that's my personal take. It's about tact, class and intelligence among other things, some of the best parts of organized society and civilized cultures... Ufot-choices, make them or break them |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 1:51pm |
| Coolness: 2604095 | Why does everyone think the movie is about drug use? The movie is a promotion for Montreal and it's different nightlife scenes... It tells the story of the people and what they think about the whole nightlife scenes. Get over the drug use which everyone thinks the movie is about which is totally false.
POLA - The Music = A voyage of antonino's through the party scene. No dialog. POLA - The Movie = Interviews with people on what they think about the nightlife scenes and what it means to them. POLA - Party Responsibly = Interviews with the authorities on what they think of the nightlife scene in montreal and information about drugs and such. There are some good things in each of them. As many of us know the music was more of a practice video for Antonino in order to learn how to use the programs in order to make "POLA - The Movie"... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ufot a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 1:55pm |
| Coolness: 93210 | Originally Posted By NUCLEAR
Why does everyone think the movie is about drug use? The movie is a promotion for Montreal and it's different nightlife scenes... It tells the story of the people and what they think about the whole nightlife scenes. Get over the drug use which everyone thinks the movie is about which is totally false. ok, well if you were a hockey enthusiast and watched a documentary about your favorite team and it's city, would you think it to be valid or informative if the majority of opinions and voices heard were from first time spectators or little kids or drunk tweens? C'mon man, make some sense of what you are saying, I know you told me not to form an opinion on this movie because of the trailer, but if this documentary is supposed to represent Montreal's nightlife scenes, it might be the worst sell I've seen yet... Ufot-logic comes and goes depending on peoples angles... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 1:55pm |
| Coolness: 2604095 | UFot, my stake in the movie is 0$... I support people's projects. Especially when they are doing them for free. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ufot a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 2:01pm |
| Coolness: 93210 | Originally Posted By NUCLEAR
UFot, my stake in the movie is 0$... I support people's projects. Especially when they are doing them for free. I wasn't referring to a subsidy stake, maybe more of a speculative stake or future capacity/// You can support whatever you want Noah, just remember that free doesn't give bonus validity or quality to anything, it just means there's no price attached... Martyrs don't become icons because they do it for free... Ufot-discussions open ideas to flaws and sometimes grows ideas from flaws |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Sat 6 Feb, 2010 @ 2:07pm |
| Coolness: 2604095 | When people were interviewed they knew exactly what it was for. Antonino didn't hide the fact that he wanted to make this movie to anyone. I personally didn't want to be interviewed. I'm not really good in front of a camera as many of you know. But some of the people who were interviewed did have some interesting things to say and some of those people wanted to see what other people were saying and thinking. Most of the people who were showing up for the movie knew they were in the movie and wanted to see it. I know all of my friends who have a part in it wanted to see it and were going to come see the movie at the NFB to see themselves in it and other people they know and possible people they didn't know.
Playgrounds issue was for a clip in a trailer which was made a while ago. At least before March 2009 since I have all the 10 trailers dated from then. It was more of a practice video then a trailer to be honest. You can tell because each one of the trailers he made, his editing gets better and better. The first trailer was only pictures, the second has a couple of effects with videos, the third was the old 1619 loft people... Every trailer after got better and better. It's what people do. They make videos and mix and match and learn. Don't give me any youtube rules. 90% of the people who upload a video on youtube are not following the rules. It seems like in a lot of your perfect worlds everyone would follow every rule. If rules were not broken, we would not really advance on our civilization. |
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