People Shot Outside Blue Dog Last Night
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 a répondu le Fri 7 Aug, 2009 @ 8:26am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Corey_K a répondu le Fri 7 Aug, 2009 @ 2:32pm |
 Coolness: 96685 | For the record...just because the shooting happened in front of blue dog OR blizzarts doesn't mean that the people involved in the shooting were at those clubs. I'm sure everyone will agree that when you're walking up st-laurent on a fri/sat night at around 3am the street can get pretty clogged, and you end up stopping along the way, either to eat, or to chat with randoms you bump into. I'm just saying, let's not jump to blame any specific venue for breeding this kind of violence, they could have come from anywhere. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob a répondu le Fri 7 Aug, 2009 @ 2:52pm |
 Coolness: 282685 | I assumed it was the hiphop crowd at blue dog because of the circumstances. And I generally fear being on St Laurent on busy packed nights. Not only around the blue dog hiphop nights. My spidey sense tells me to stay away. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil a répondu le Fri 7 Aug, 2009 @ 8:19pm |
 Coolness: 86735 | Originally Posted By COREY_K
For the record...just because the shooting happened in front of blue dog OR blizzarts doesn't mean that the people involved in the shooting were at those clubs. I'm sure everyone will agree that when you're walking up st-laurent on a fri/sat night at around 3am the street can get pretty clogged, and you end up stopping along the way, either to eat, or to chat with randoms you bump into. I'm just saying, let's not jump to blame any specific venue for breeding this kind of violence, they could have come from anywhere. ya true. that's what I was saying. all kinds of people walk around with a gun on em. they could've just been passing by from somewhere else and had a random altercation. I know bad people when i see em... I've walked by there many times on weekends and never got that kind of vibe. in terms of bad clientele, just go a block down to Frappe... hehe |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» R.C.A a répondu le Sat 8 Aug, 2009 @ 11:57am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly a répondu le Mon 10 Aug, 2009 @ 10:24am |
 Coolness: 76940 | Hip hop is for haters? Is that what we're supposed to believe? Guns + Rap is a given? That's so fucking stupid. Who the fuck are these ignorant fuckers fronting that they're involved in this thug bullshit, and why do they think this shit is even necessary? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Mon 10 Aug, 2009 @ 10:36am |
 Coolness: 129950 | I've seen some sketchy motherfuckers outside of Blue Dog in the past
I wasn't saying Blue Dog specifically tries to cater to those kind of guys, I've just seen those gangsta hip hop looser types hanging outside the joint From where I was standing that night, the guy was lying on the ground outside of Blue Dog close to that tree, thats all I'm saying & for the record I've been listening to hip hop since the 80s, and I still do, I just don't listen to much of gangsta stuff which I honestly think is for wankers, like the loosers who perpetrated this crime The stuff I listen to puts me in a good mood and makes me wanna bust out some moves, which what hip hop was originally all about |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» the_worm a répondu le Mon 10 Aug, 2009 @ 4:16pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ApR1zM a répondu le Mon 10 Aug, 2009 @ 8:48pm |
 Coolness: 165030 | yeah hiphop is mos definitaly about Mcing Bboyin turntablism and graffiti art :) it has nothing to do with sellin drugs guns and how much money you have... thats what is known as gangsta rap introduce by groups like NWA rappin about what they live etc... the fact that some of them actually have talent got them really popular not because of what they were doin but how it was presented...
I think this might be a reminder of the actual power of music and words. the problem now is that gangsta rap is getting so good that kid that never even saw a real gun are rappin about killing guys and $hit :))) its a little bit scary. anyways Im happy to read Bliss has a pretty good grip on real hiphop and its probably the same for most of us old timers! peace love and hiphop |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» blop a répondu le Mon 10 Aug, 2009 @ 10:44pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PaLy a répondu le Tue 11 Aug, 2009 @ 10:16pm |
 Coolness: 51950 | I used to hang out at Blue Dog for a few years before it closed.. met some funky b-boys with great attitude. Of course there were some white-trash-wanna-be-gangstas but I'd always feel safe at that bar.. I'd even go by myself just for the funk of dancing.. Dunnno how it is nowadays but let's not generalize ;)
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly a répondu le Wed 12 Aug, 2009 @ 6:18pm |
| Coolness: 76940 | Originally Posted By BLISSS
I've seen some sketchy motherfuckers outside of Blue Dog in the past I wasn't saying Blue Dog specifically tries to cater to those kind of guys, I've just seen those gangsta hip hop looser types hanging outside the joint From where I was standing that night, the guy was lying on the ground outside of Blue Dog close to that tree, thats all I'm saying & for the record I've been listening to hip hop since the 80s, and I still do, I just don't listen to much of gangsta stuff which I honestly think is for wankers, like the loosers who perpetrated this crime The stuff I listen to puts me in a good mood and makes me wanna bust out some moves, which what hip hop was originally all about Srsly whenever I hear people saying they don't like that gangsta shit I want to call bullshit. It's like the "conscious and sensitive black people are ok but the angry gangstas are ok to call niggers" mentality. You're white. You don't understand it. You never could. Gangsta is amazing. I can name about a hundred good gangsta rap groups, and you know you like them. I can name off another ton of recent dirty south peeps who are fucking amazing. Generalizations of an entire race on the basis of the content of the music make stupid assumptions that the music really has something to do with the violence or vice versa, not to mention, these generalizations are borderline racist. The fact is, gangsta rap sings about crime. The hard reality of living in a shit neighbourhood because your mom couldn't afford to move somewhere better, and because your family also wants to be able to have a community that isn't poisoned by gang violence, rape, crack dealing, and all the other hustling that people think has to be part of their life. It's not the music that started it. It's the crime that started it. A long legacy of crime. The music sings about it to bring it to light. Some haters live out a fantasy perpetuated by music, but that's because they can't discern between taking on a persona for music and living that life for real and loving it. And yes, there are tons of rappers who are actually straight up psychotic crack smoking asshats. Unfortunately, they also sometimes make excellent music. But it's not like these slippery slope arguments that "because the music contains references to this shit, it perpetuates it" are not based in any sort of solid premise. They're assumptions made by outsiders. You couldn't possibly understand making it to the top dealing coke or crack unless you'd done it. And for as many hip hop types who are into that there are also tons of other styles of music that have the same criminal subculture within their midst. Ravers. Metalheads. Good ol' Rock and Roll. Even fucking Country. Geez, look at Merle Haggard. That guy was a fucked-up crackheaded wife-beating criminal but we don't dare say "oh, all that crime going down is because of country". So in conclusion. Yes, perhaps the shooters were stereotypical black gangsters doing stereotypical black crime. But they just basically set the public perception of black people back a good deal. They're to blame. Not the culture, not the music. Try to convince me that you haven't got your hands dirty in your life, seen some bad shit go down, and then decided to avoid it. You did it out of fear. You did it out of prejudice. You decided "I can't figure out why I tangled with this sort of fucked up criminal nonsense but I don't want to again" and made a couple of hypotheses about how to avoid it. But if you want to throw out all your Immortal Technique because they raped their own moms, well then rap wasn't for you in the first place. Also, it's not "looser". That would be a person who loosens things, potentially, or to be "looser" in the sense of being less tight. A loser is a person who loses. A looser is not even a noun. It's an adjective. Hip hop wasn't originally about what you say it is either. That's a dumb white opinion. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil a répondu le Wed 12 Aug, 2009 @ 6:23pm |
| Coolness: 86735 | Originally Posted By LUKEPERIL
Hip hop wasn't originally about what you say it is either. That's a dumb white opinion. so what was it about? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly a répondu le Wed 12 Aug, 2009 @ 6:38pm |
| Coolness: 76940 | Originally Posted By RECOIL
so what was it about? How would any of us know? We could quote somebody who was there but it's stupid to assume that there wasn't gang violence in the Bronx, Compton, or Miami before hip hop. I guess we could say it was for good times, but I think that most musicians will give a more complex explanation of why they felt driven to express themselves, however they do. I'm just saying when we all heard our first hip hop tracks in the 80s most white kids only got into the Fat Boys and Run DMC and felt uncomfortable about all the gun talk and depictions of hard life. Most of us got into PE only after we accepted that they probably would have hated seriously on us and our typically white way of life, and even then, as a kid I had no idea what their political stances were or why. We never understood it like black youth living in the ghetto did. Why would we assume this knowledge? We can say we know the music, we can say we know the artists, but only through the medium they expressed themselves through. Not personally, and not profoundly enough to say anything for sure. I think it's important that if we talk about the problem that leads to this violence that we look at the entire culture of a nation, not just that of one race. It was after all the CIA who funnelled all that shit coke into the ghettos, and there was no choice at one point than for a black crime syndicate to start taking the power back from the Mafia. Everyone plays the game. Just because you have a suit on doesn't mean that you aren't a twisted psychopath killing motherfuckers every day. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil a répondu le Wed 12 Aug, 2009 @ 7:04pm |
| Coolness: 86735 | Originally Posted By LUKEPERIL BUT IT'S STUPID TO ASSUME THAT THERE WASN'T GANG VIOLENCE IN THE BRONX, COMPTON, OR MIAMI BEFORE HIP HOP.
who said that? the South Bronx was notoriously dangerous back in the early 70s. the place was infested with really violent gangs. people used to camp out in the police station at night to be safe. Afrika Bambaata was a major gang leader in the area. he stopped the gang violence in his projects and brought people together with music. hip hop culture was a positive movement for the youth who would otherwise be out running with gangs. you can read it in his own words on his myspace. [ www.myspace.com ] on a sidenote .. here is a cool documentary from the 70s about two of the major gangs in the South Bronx. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Wed 12 Aug, 2009 @ 7:34pm |
 Coolness: 106345 | Gangster rap is about money. When the white kids stop buying that crap, The whole phenomenon will most likely fade out of the medias attention like all other fads before it (disco, raves...). Only to be revived in 20 years to a whole new bunch of kids who know nothing about "thug life" but who are longing for a strong rebellious symbol to identify with. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead a répondu le Wed 12 Aug, 2009 @ 11:01pm |
 Coolness: 75900 | Originally Posted By LUKEPERIL
How would any of us know? We could quote somebody who was there but it's stupid to assume that there wasn't gang violence in the Bronx, Compton, or Miami before hip hop. I guess we could say it was for good times, but I think that most musicians will give a more complex explanation of why they felt driven to express themselves, however they do. I'm just saying when we all heard our first hip hop tracks in the 80s most white kids only got into the Fat Boys and Run DMC and felt uncomfortable about all the gun talk and depictions of hard life. Most of us got into PE only after we accepted that they probably would have hated seriously on us and our typically white way of life, and even then, as a kid I had no idea what their political stances were or why. I'm not especially interested in opening a whole can of worms here, but yeah... violence, poverty and crime have been topics in hip-hop for a long time... the difference is that in the early days it wasn't something that was glamorized. If you read enough McLuhan you'll come across the notion that violence is a tool used by people who feel stripped of their identity. The founding elements of hip-hop provided the means for people to express themselves in non-violent ways... issues and beefs could be settled through dancing or rapping... these were called battles, but they weren't about violence - they were a means to avoid it. A lot of the early-school sought ways to send a positive message - something that KRS-ONE began referring to as edutainment... but that trend didn't start with him; tracks like The Message spoke of the conditions in the ghetto, and White Lines warned people away from addictive drugs... how does your PE reference make sense, btw... they're the furthest thing from gansta... and despite the media's attempts to paint them as intolerant of other cultures, I've only ever gotten the feeling that they're intolerant of oppression... case in point, Chuck D's response to what happened at Oka: [ www.discogs.com ] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Thu 13 Aug, 2009 @ 2:43am |
| Coolness: 129950 | Originally Posted By LUKEPERIL
Srsly whenever I hear people saying they don't like that gangsta shit I want to call bullshit. It's like the "conscious and sensitive black people are ok but the angry gangstas are ok to call niggers" mentality. You're white. You don't understand it. You never could. Hahaha...thats racist right there Buddy, I grew up in AFRICA in one of the poorest countries in the world, I've seen people die, I've seen people get shot, been shot at, I've seen it all man. I understand poverty, I understand violence, I even undertand racism having been a victim of it. There's no justifying this crime where one person got killed and another person is in the hospital. Originally Posted By LUKEPERIL
The fact is, gangsta rap sings about crime. The hard reality of living in a shit neighbourhood because your mom couldn't afford to move somewhere better, and because your family also wants to be able to have a community that isn't poisoned by gang violence, rape, crack dealing, and all the other hustling that people think has to be part of their life. Dude grow up...Why the fuck do I wanna know about CRIME? What is so great about crime? Nothing, its fucking bullshit The more you glorify it, the worse it gets I live in a first world nation, with free healthcare and welfare for losers like these dudes. There ain't no ghettos in Canada, you wanna live like a fucking lazy gangster THATS YOUR CHOICE, not a neccesity. Fact is gangster hip hop is bullshit, nothing good has come out of it Originally Posted By LUKEPERIL
Hip hop wasn't originally about what you say it is either. That's a dumb white opinion. Nope, thats just an ignorant racist comment O_o Hip hop was and always been for everyone, thats ME, YOU and every other member of the human race Just ask my brother and one of hip hops founding fathers, Afrika Bambaataa, with whom I had the pleasure to jam with at Sona & Who incidentilly sampled a couple of Kraftwerk records (these guys are both WHITE btw and *gasp* GERMAN) on his biggest hit "PLANET Rock" Or another buddy of mine, Dj Krush (he's asian by the way ;) Or maybe just listen to lyrics of Sugarhill Gangs "Rappers Delight" where he talks about "the red, the white, the brown" etc... Get educated Mise À Jour » Blisss a écrit sur Thu 13 Aug, 2009 @ 3:16am Incidentally BLACK people also invented a bunch of other styles which are strictly which according to your racist doctrine, are for and exclusively understood by my black brothers
JAZZ ROCK N ROLL (not a lie, black people invented rock) ELECTRO (hummm...yup they invented that) BREAKS (hummmm....yup they invented that too, thanks Kool Herc) REGGAE (dude, and they also invented dub too FUNK (yup) HOUSE (yeah no lie bro, they started that too and waiiiit for it... TECHNO (yeah they invented that as well, in a city called Detroit) So many styles enjoyed and understood only by black people, wow, who would have known & Believe it or not, black people even started modern day DJING in Jamaica, wow, bet you didn't know that did you ;) Mise À Jour » Blisss a écrit sur Thu 13 Aug, 2009 @ 3:21am ***First sentence should read: Incidentally BLACK people also invented a bunch of other styles which according to your racist doctrine, are for and exclusively understood by my black brothers
& please don't tell me I spell bad cause I'm white, I swear its only cause its late ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV a répondu le Thu 13 Aug, 2009 @ 5:42am |
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also make sure you have food during the day :) id love to go eat and hear blasting DNB :) +1 ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ApR1zM a répondu le Thu 13 Aug, 2009 @ 8:08am |
| Coolness: 165030 | Bliss : im starting to like you a little more every post you make in this thread :) thanx for speaking my mind ( and probably the truth ) i didnt know you live in africa you must have tons of beautiful memories (not just drama i hope). Sunset must be incredible in that part of the world ! do ya have any scanned picture from back then ? :) peace |
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