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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Fri Feb 6, 2009 @ 7:12pm |
 Coolness: 131605 | maybe no you na , but i am :D |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Fri Feb 6, 2009 @ 7:13pm |
 Coolness: 685600 | Originally Posted By N.A
not saying transgender peops are all insane, or wrong, just that maybe their issues are more in their minds than on their bodies... .. . That's pretty much it, though.. People with insecurities or a fantasy that they're really into now have access to actually go through with it.. But a lot of things, like your fetishes, sexual orientation, religion, political views, etc.., are things that should stay in your head/bedroom. It's unhealthy to act on every random impulse you get, no matter how "right" you think it is. You were born a man, deal with it. You were born a woman, same thing. The only time any sort of surgery should be employed is if it's NECESARY to save a life or improve a person's physical health. A breast-reduction because you're having back problems is fine! Getting bigger tits because you are insecure or don't like your body isn't a physical problem, it's a mental problem. The operation is just a quick-fix to make you feel good about something without any effort. A person getting a sex-change is like a lazy fat person (not someone who's genuinley got a glandular problem) getting liposuction; it's a quick-fix to a deeper psychological issue that needs to be addressed. Cosmetic surgery is 100% un-necessary to feel good about yourself, but most people are too lazy to actually take the time to love themselves for who they really are. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Fri Feb 6, 2009 @ 7:18pm |
| Coolness: 131605 | im loving myself right now XD Update » cutterhead wrote on Fri Feb 6, 2009 @ 7:22pm the weird part is that it s moving to be more than accepted but ethical, and if we dont put the blindfold on and accept dr. shmo scalpel, we sound unethical and automatically fashistic about it.
ill just say what you said earlyer screwhead : we just want to help them. (the right/equal way) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Fri Feb 6, 2009 @ 7:19pm |
 Coolness: 166555 | i'll only go for cosmetic surgery when they perfect that Bionic shit...like a adding some compartments in you leg for your stash, or night-vision eyeballs, or titanium body parts (i'm a bit of a closet technocrat :P) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Fri Feb 6, 2009 @ 7:22pm |
| Coolness: 685600 | haha yeah that would be awesome.. But that would have uses beyond just psychological gratification! Getting night-vision eyes might be a requirement to be a cop or millitary, robotic limbs as well.. Or of you're doing construction you could get a re-inforced skeleton and a hydraulics system added on so you've got internally something like the exoskeleton Ripley wore in Aliens..
I really can't wait for computers that plug directly into your brain.. Sign me up for a datajack as soon as they've got those figgured out! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Fri Feb 6, 2009 @ 7:23pm |
| Coolness: 131605 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
haha yeah that would be awesome.. But that would have uses beyond just psychological gratification! Getting night-vision eyes might be a requirement to be a cop or millitary, robotic limbs as well.. Or of you're doing construction you could get a re-inforced skeleton and a hydraulics system added on so you've got internally something like the exoskeleton Ripley wore in Aliens.. I really can't wait for computers that plug directly into your brain.. Sign me up for a datajack as soon as they've got those figgured out! the poor lady that will get thrusted on nightfall... hope they will have an off button XD (construction guy) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Fri Feb 6, 2009 @ 7:24pm |
| Coolness: 166555 | now you're talkin'!
no improvements for the cops though :P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Fri Feb 6, 2009 @ 7:26pm |
| Coolness: 131605 | i always wanted to get a datajack port , but really , with how parano i am , they would have to do the surgery without having me under.
even for the eyes , occular glob change ... all that i would have to do , conscious and lucid as so to accept it Update » cutterhead wrote on Fri Feb 6, 2009 @ 7:28pm but really , this isnt aesthetical , were talking about complete augmentation, the result is still not human to me. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Fri Feb 6, 2009 @ 7:31pm |
| Coolness: 166555 | yeah, well, you know how much i care about humans :P
so i guess your first surgery would be to add a painkiller distribution system ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Fri Feb 6, 2009 @ 8:06pm |
| Coolness: 131605 | this thread reminds me of bloodhound gang "s
"Take The Long Way Home" May I have your attention please? May I have your attention please? Did you ever read Voltaire's "Candide"? He says live life at Benny Hill freak out speed Not a quote of what he wrote but a paraphrase Make it up as you go Keyser Soze Highlights yes but don't underline 'em Just live for N.O.W. like Gloria Steinem Life is like Marion Barry It's not all that it's cracked up to be Like Fred Sanford when the big one comes Find the meaning of life is there is none It's twenty-four hours when you call it a day Be Frank and say "I Did It My Way" Don't give a flying nun no don't give a Gidget Just have more fun than a well-oiled midget If life were picture perfect you could frame it But the world is a diaper so let someone else change it Life is an aimless drive that ya take alone Might as well enjoy the ride, take the long way home May I have your attention please? May I have your attention please? All born equal unless you're Canadian Then halfway through decay like Uranium You define what's death-defying Get the most out of life or at the least die trying Are you Evil Knievel jumping a train? Or running with scissors like Frasier Crane? Have really good times doing really bad things 'Cause the show ain't over 'til the fat lady sings Like Elton John with his candle in the wind It's hard to blow out a flame as big as him But we've all got to Wang Chung with the Grim Reaper Whether you're Einstein whether you're Beaker Death is certain so it's definitely worth flirtin' Don't expect a bright light no just curtains Life is like a penis most people don't know it But most people suck so they usually blow it Life is an aimless drive that ya take alone Might as well enjoy the ride take the long way home Life is an aimless drive that ya take alone Might as well enjoy the ride take the long way home That's enough! I said that's enough! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Sat Feb 7, 2009 @ 5:46pm |
 Coolness: 93505 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
No, I'm pretty certain EVERYONE at 16 is going through puberty, unless you've got some sort of hormonal problem. Puberty by it's very nature is the exact same thing as women going through PSM; it's a ton of hormones flooding your system, and those hormones affect your logic, reasoning and emotions. At that age you are in absolutely NO state of mind to make a decision like that; chances are, untill your brain has had time to "level out" with the hormones, you should not be deciding anything as major as that. We should accept people for who they are, yes. And who they are up untill they're around their mid-20s changes every couple of months/weeks, because they're being bombarded 24/7 with thought-altering chemicals. Letting a 16 year old decide to have a sex-change is about as responsible as letting someone on acid decide that they really CAN fly because they believe it; their mind is NOT in the right place. Who you are is on the inside; your thoughts, your life experiences. You don't need any sort of surgery to be yourself, that "need" is just the result of our culture having evolved to a point where people can turn their fantasy into reality, and they're told constantly that they're not good enough and that they can have whatever they want. Does a person need a sex-change to live? No. Heart-surgery if they've got clogged arteries, yeah. Does someone need a breast augmentation because their life depends on it? No. But getting an apendix removed, yeah that can save a life. A sex-change is an un-necesary cosmetic surgery that people are told they can get to make them "feel better", but really, their whole life they'll still know the one truth that they can't ever forget; that's NOT who they are, because that's NOT how they were born, it's just a fantasy that they had that got encouraged by an industry that charges outrageous prices for an un-necesary cosmetic surgery. At 16 everyone might be going through puberty, but puberty doesnt mean youre going to wake up one day and become transgender, nor does it mean ur going to be transgender ur whole life and then one day during puberty just wake up and be like "wow, im no longer transgender." I just don't see that being very likely. So, why should you let a 16 y/o be miserable in the skin their in if they can change it? Cuz they arent old enough? I dont think that excuse flies. Life doesnt begin at 18 or 21 or 25 or whatever age. This is life. Its now. You're living it. Im not talking about a kid who might or might not be transgender. Im talking about the one thats 100% sure they are, and futher, theyre 100% sure they want this operation. I think you know urself better than anyone else; its like telling someone how they feel. I think they know better than anyone else how they feel, cuz their the ones feeling it. Thats just it though. They were born a girl, and they know it. You just can't see it because your mind associates penis with boy. So its not a truth they were born a boy. They were born a girl; they just happen to have the male anatomy. And I dunno how surgury to prolong life and cosmetic surgury are much different; niether are neccessary. THe world goes on if either dont occur. But, both make you happier; one gives you more life to live, the other makes the life you have more enjoyable to live. Your argument might be valid if the world was at war or we had a surgeon shortage, and we had to choose about allocating surgeons. But we don;t...there are plenty of surgeons for everyone. Cosmetic surgery is just an extention of make-up, designer clothes and tailored suits. They make you look better. I dunno why one would be acceptable, and the other one not |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sat Feb 7, 2009 @ 6:25pm |
| Coolness: 685600 | Originally Posted By GAMOS
At 16 everyone might be going through puberty, but puberty doesnt mean youre going to wake up one day and become transgender, nor does it mean ur going to be transgender ur whole life and then one day during puberty just wake up and be like "wow, im no longer transgender." I just don't see that being very likely. So, why should you let a 16 y/o be miserable in the skin their in if they can change it? Cuz they arent old enough? I dont think that excuse flies. Life doesnt begin at 18 or 21 or 25 or whatever age. This is life. Its now. You're living it. Im not talking about a kid who might or might not be transgender. Im talking about the one thats 100% sure they are, and futher, theyre 100% sure they want this operation. I think you know urself better than anyone else; its like telling someone how they feel. I think they know better than anyone else how they feel, cuz their the ones feeling it. Thats just it though. They were born a girl, and they know it. You just can't see it because your mind associates penis with boy. So its not a truth they were born a boy. They were born a girl; they just happen to have the male anatomy. And I dunno how surgury to prolong life and cosmetic surgury are much different; niether are neccessary. THe world goes on if either dont occur. But, both make you happier; one gives you more life to live, the other makes the life you have more enjoyable to live. Your argument might be valid if the world was at war or we had a surgeon shortage, and we had to choose about allocating surgeons. But we don;t...there are plenty of surgeons for everyone. Cosmetic surgery is just an extention of make-up, designer clothes and tailored suits. They make you look better. I dunno why one would be acceptable, and the other one not I hate to break it to you, but in this case it IS a psychological illness; Gender Identity Disorder is different from someone who is transgender or transexual. Transgender people who are comfortable with their gender, whose gender does not directly cause inner frustration or impair their functioning, do not have GID, but if a person feels that their physical sex is "not right" and needs to be changed, then they DO have a psychological disorder. And, despite what you may think and what a lot of the media would have you believe, things CAN and DO change with how a person feels about something that defines them like that. Up untill I was 16-17 I though I was gay, with only a curiosity in what women were like (bi-curios, didn't know the term at the time). After having a boyfriend for almost a year when I was 17 I decided to try women to see what they were like. At that point I identified myself as being bisexual, because I liked both, though the preference shifted over from liking men over women to prefering women over men. These days I consider myself more straight than Bi; I don't see myself ever being able to be in a relationship with another man, and for something sexual to happen he'd have to be DAMN hot (and I'm picky as all fuck as to what I find attractive) And I was also in some ways someone who'd prefer to be the opposite sex. I still keep joking that I'd love having my own set of tits, but for a really long time, I hated my body and wanted to look like a woman; the facial-structure, physique, tits, etc.. The only thing I wanted to keep was my dick, but I wanted the rest of me to look like a woman. Up untill around the time I started raving (when I was 21-22) I had more women's clothing than men's, I'd often go out wearing makeup (not just because I was goth, but because it helped me look more androgynous) and long skirts. Out of how I was back then, the only thing that's really "stuck" is that I'm completely uncomfortable with short hair; I hate how it looks on me, and I'd rather keep a hat or bandana on than be seen with hair that isn't at least shoulder-length. People change; our whole life is a growing process and an evolution. The problem is that a lot of people commit to something and then feel they have to stick to it without being open to anything different. Just because you identify yourself as a raver means you can't listen to any non-rave music. Just because you're asian doesn't mean you can't eat non-asian food. Just because you're white doesn't mean you can't date non-whites. Just because you're a man doesn't mean you have to date women. As for the difference with surgery, the thing that's iportant is that some is un-necesary. Plastic surgery, gender re-assignment, it's not something a person needs to feel good about themselves. If they DO "need" it to feel good, then they have psychological problems first and foremost that they should get treated for. The problem is we're living in a society of instant-gratification; we can stream movies from Netflix without leaving our sofa, we cary phones around with us because we can't imagine not being able to talk to anyone on a whim, we can e-mail europe from north america and the message will get there in seconds... People want NOW NOW NOW NOW; no one wants to wait for anything, no one has any patience.. It's easier (and faster) to put a person on Prozak than it is to spend years in therapy exploring what is causing their depression. It's easier to order chinese food than to go shopping and get the ingredients to make it yourself. It's easier to go to McDonalds for a burger than it is to make your own. It's easier to e-mail your relatives in another country than it is to send them a post-card. It's easier to get liposuction or take diet pills/go on a diet than it is to get off your ass and excercise. People don't want to WORK for anything, they don't want to WAIT for anything, they want results NOW, because everything around them works that way. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Sat Feb 7, 2009 @ 7:09pm |
| Coolness: 93505 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
As for the difference with surgery, the thing that's iportant is that some is un-necesary. Plastic surgery, gender re-assignment, it's not something a person needs to feel good about themselves. If they DO "need" it to feel good, then they have psychological problems first and foremost that they should get treated for. The problem is we're living in a society of instant-gratification; we can stream movies from Netflix without leaving our sofa, we cary phones around with us because we can't imagine not being able to talk to anyone on a whim, we can e-mail europe from north america and the message will get there in seconds... People want NOW NOW NOW NOW; no one wants to wait for anything, no one has any patience.. It's easier (and faster) to put a person on Prozak than it is to spend years in therapy exploring what is causing their depression. It's easier to order chinese food than to go shopping and get the ingredients to make it yourself. It's easier to go to McDonalds for a burger than it is to make your own. It's easier to e-mail your relatives in another country than it is to send them a post-card. It's easier to get liposuction or take diet pills/go on a diet than it is to get off your ass and excercise. People don't want to WORK for anything, they don't want to WAIT for anything, they want results NOW, because everything around them works that way. I really dont see the problem with this. Almost everythign we do with the exception of food, shelter and clothing are un-neccesary. Such is life; we live in a time of excess. We can produce what we need for our whole society with very few people, so the rest of us are free to do other stuff...make music, change our bodies, make porn, whatever floats your boat. Its becoming important to our generation to get things done quickly. Nothing wrong with that. If you can decrease the time+cost of transport, search and other costs of trade you should. Its half the premise of globalization. It frees up time and money, so you can have more of both to do the things you love (unless you love walking to blockbusters at -20, then be my guest) People are willing to trade off money for time using a high degree of division of labor; its one of the basis of society in general. If you work more and order in chinese, you have more free time to do what you want. If you earn 30$ an hour, it costs 10$ to order dinner, 5$ + 1 hour to make it your own dinner, and you couldnt care less about what the food tastes like, and derrive no enjoyment from preparing the food, you're better off working for an extra 15 minutes, and just ordering in. Its a natural progression of our society. The third thing youve identified is the culture of medicine in our culture of symptom vs cause. You can either try to fix the cause of the problem, or the symptom of it. Again, I think its up to the individual which they would rather try to fix. If I dont want therapy and would rather just take a pill, I should be alowed to. As far as ur personal experience goes, thanks for sharing. IF I had offered you free sex re-orientation surgury at 15, would you have taken it? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sat Feb 7, 2009 @ 7:17pm |
| Coolness: 685600 | Originally Posted By GAMOS
As far as ur personal experience goes, thanks for sharing. IF I had offered you free sex re-orientation surgury at 15, would you have taken it? Good chance that I would have, and it would have been a MASSIVE mistake. Update » Screwhead wrote on Sat Feb 7, 2009 @ 8:19pm But the whole "medicate rather than fix" aproach is just stupid.. Imagine if they did that for everything?
"Sure, you've got a cancer we can remove, but instead here's some painkillers!" "Broken arm? Here's some morphine, you don't need a cast, go home!" "You have a flat tire? Just buy a new car, it's faster to sign a cheque than it is to change a tire!" Being LAZY is detrimental to yourself and to society as a whole. You need to fix a problem, not just put a bandaid on it.. A superficial fix is temporary at best; you could fix a problem with 2 years of therapy, or spend your whole life on medication and have to deal with side effects and STILL constantly have to see a therapist.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Rammius replied on Sun Feb 8, 2009 @ 12:25am |
 Coolness: 32305 | In the end, I think the real question is what makes a person happy. If a person knows enough about any given procedure, drug, religion, etc then they should go for it if they want to. Do what you will provided it doesn't negatively affect anyone else(opinions aside).
Also, a guy I knew had similiar reasoning about religion as some of you guys do about gender reassignment. He figured that anyone who believed in an imaginary magical being who claimed that one of living is right and all other ways are wrong should get some psychiatric help. That they must have some serious problems if they would turn to religion for help with daily life. Kind of an interesting view of the whole medicate rather than fix approah don't you think? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Feb 8, 2009 @ 12:36am |
| Coolness: 685600 | Originally Posted By RAMMIUS
Also, a guy I knew had similiar reasoning about religion as some of you guys do about gender reassignment. He figured that anyone who believed in an imaginary magical being who claimed that one of living is right and all other ways are wrong should get some psychiatric help. That they must have some serious problems if they would turn to religion for help with daily life. Kind of an interesting view of the whole medicate rather than fix approah don't you think? Well, considering that tests were done with people's brains being monitored with an MRI, and different types of people were asked questions or to think/do certain things, like think about their faith, or to pray.. The results that came out is that the brain is stimulated in the same way as schizophrenia durring prayer or "religious thought" of various faiths. So yes, religion, prayer and spiritualism of all sorts are a psychological illness. People on anti-schizophrenic medications that were religious before starting their treatment more often than not "lose faith" or stop believing/adhering to whatever they used to believe in. Also, people who's brain MRIs/history shows that they're succeptible to schizophrenia are more likely to be religious than those that aren't for the same reasons; religion is a sickness of the mind. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sun Feb 8, 2009 @ 12:52am |
 Coolness: 106125 | Originally Posted By CUTTERHEAD
since when giving heroin to heroin addict ever solved a thing ? If you give heroin to a heroin addict, maybe he wont have to steel your laptop to get a fix. // I say, whoever has the means and motivation to do whatever type of modification to their body or their mind, can very well do whatever they want. Whats the worst that can happen... apart from permanently extracting yourself from the gene pool... witch is perhaps a good thing. Humanity will survives its "exceptions". who knows, we might even evolve into something really cool, in a science fiction sorta way. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Sun Feb 8, 2009 @ 1:44am |
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religion is a sickness of the mind Thanks for the insult. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mico replied on Sun Feb 8, 2009 @ 1:56am |
 Coolness: 150470 | he doesnt care what you think |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Feb 8, 2009 @ 2:11am |
| Coolness: 685600 | PENIS!
wait, no, that's not it... Yeah, you see, religion is something that I am extremely against in any and every shape and form. It's a cancer to our race and needs to be forcefully removed if we're to stand any chance at improving life on earth. |
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