New Metro/bus Strike On The Way
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rave_dolphin replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 9:47am |
 Coolness: 86860 | hahaaha .. let's launch a counter-stricke in front of the Union office ? Anybody knows where it is ? hahaha |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 9:47am |
 Coolness: 106085 | Quick to judge, quike to anger,slow to understand. -Rush
The inflation rate being 3.2% annualy in Canada between 2004 and 2007. By receiving 2% a year in pay raise, you are actualy loosing 1.2% a year. At that rate, in 10 years you will be making 12% less. that is what they are striking for, 2%. If you're wondering why they go on strike every time there collective agrement runs out, its because the governments dont want to agree on longer term agrements. Why would they, every few years the goverments get to chip away at working conditions and its the unions that take all the blame. Its the same thing with the nurses and with the teachers and all the so-called essential services. It may be a big inconveniant for a lot of peoples but these workers are fighting not only for there salary's but most likely for your's also. Because these unionised jobs still set the standard by witch the rest of sociaty pays its workforce. Update » databoy wrote on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 10:39am Meanwhile, the governments hires Verint, a survellance company with ties to the US intelligence network (CIA, DEA, DOD, US Military, etc) to monitor all you happy commuter. Say cheese, you are being taged.
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 11:25am |
 Coolness: 92235 | I dunno about that. When the SAQ striked did minimum wage go up? I don't think so even though they were doing the jobs of minimum wage workers. It doesn't set any standards. It's not like people can leave their crappy minimum wage jobs anytime to work at the SCTUM or SAQ. I think you have to know someone, preferably a 100% quebecois family member to work at those places. Even if not I'm sure it's rare to find an opening and get hired. There's no employer competition what so ever.
It insults me a little that anyone would put the families and property of a STCUM worker over those of a guy workign at McDonalds, or even worse, immigrants working in factories with many children. I mean there are 16 year olds out there working to support their little brothers and sisters with no help at all. Yes these STCUM workers are making careers out of what they do and supporting families but what about everyone else who has families to support? It is their problem that they're making careers out of these jobs, they shouldn't be careers. The service they offer is obviously of utmost importance but(no offense to anyone) the individual employees are easily replaceable. That's what makes a persons value, is how easy they are to replace, not the value of the service they offer(since it can be offered by anyone). Most of these STCUM workers are expendible resources. That's why the guy at McD's is getting paid 7$ an hour, because he is expendible. There are people who worked their ass off everyday of university and who are making less. They're contributions to society are not only just as important but they are also not expendible. We need to keep those non-expendible people. By giving the STCUM more money, I'm sorry, teachers are not gonna get more. The government is NOT gonna reduce their own paychecks, that's the reality of the world. They are gonna take that money from elsewhere. That's why things should be prioritised. I support the idea of unions but not this one. I don't like the government anymore than anybody else but if we want to live in a reasonable and equilateral society we HAVE to be somewhat reasonable towards them sometimes. We can't ALWAYS just push and push and complain and complain. Something has to be satisfactory at some point or it will never end. The fact is that they aren't gonna cut their own paychecks like I said so if we ever want them to funnel more money into healthcare stuff like this is gonna make sure that never even has a chance of happening. We have to prioritise things. We have a way as a society of turning a completly blind eye to the government and getting everything we can while giving nothing because we believe we are entitles to those things and we are. But we have to be reasonable about how they will react and how it will all come to impact us in the end. They added three metros and voila, no one is happy or even phased. Every positive act, whether it's too little too late or not, should be rewarded somehow. As a society we are impossible to please and I don't think that attitude is gonna get us far. There's a big difference between agreeing with someone and compromising with them. You don't have to agree, just be reasonable if you care at all abotu your sociey. This is too much pressure, it's unreasonable and it clearly comes at the worst time in terms of how much money the city just spent on the metro system. Yeah they have billions more that they would otherwise be spending on fancy cars but we have to be reasonable, we cant expect them to hand everything over to us(even if it is rightfully ours), that's reality. It's not true btw that big companies with benefits all have unions. The vast majority of them do not and furthermore, even though you tend to get better benefits that does not equal more money or better treatment. A bigger more prestigious company will tend to pay less than a smaller counterpart. For example, a teacher at Concordia makes more than a teacher at McGill. It's the prestige of working at the place that lowers its value. Small companies suck for that too, I think medium sized is perfect. Also this talk of unions having a lot of power in Quebec makes me laugh. Unions have less power in Quebec than anywhere else in Canada. At least for media sectors, it's ridiculous. CSN is a joke. Where I work we used to have a union and it was abolished by popular vote. Thank fucking god we are free. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 11:28am |
 Coolness: 685560 | I dunno about that. When the SAQ striked did minimum wage go up? I don't think so even though they were doing the jobs of minimum wage workers.
My dad's got a pretty big wine cellar, and as a result knows a lot of people at all of the major SAQs in montreal and laval, all the way up to St-Sauveur (he lives in Val David) and I can tell you for a fact that those "minimum-wage" SAQ workers that work the cash and re-stock the shelves (not the "trained" professionals that order the alcohol/wine/etc) all make minimum 17$/h |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 11:37am |
| Coolness: 92235 | exactly. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 11:43am |
 Coolness: 145170 | i think it's strange that we should live in a time when people who are clearly not upper or moddle class (in terms of wealth) want to protect the rights that they may some day have as part of either of those classes...thats why people hate unions...
the proleteriat does not want to overthrow the bourgeoisie they want to become them... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» sex.is.boring replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 11:47am |
 Coolness: 78240 | i don't want to judge, but because of them i have to walk more than an hour or pay a 25 $ taxi to go to work, and i'm really skint, so i have to walk, taxi is too expensive. i'm not paid 20 $ an hour to clean up a metro station |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Niji replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 12:57pm |
 Coolness: 70185 | Originally Posted By DEADFUNKSO I KNOW SOME OF THEM REALLY WANTS TO WORK, AND I SAY WANTS, BECAUSE I BET IT HAPPENS LIKE THAT, THE YOUNG GUY COME IN AND START WORKING, AND THE OLDER PEOPLE TELLS HIM TO CALM DOWN AND DO NOTHING, BECAUSE THEIR BOSSES WILL SEE THAT WITH THE YOUNG GUY THE JOB GETS DONE AND FORCE THE OLD ONE TO WORK, BUT THEY DONT WANT TO...
That's what I heard about the metro cleaners... Originally Posted By Basdini
i think it's strange that we should live in a time when people who are clearly not upper or moddle class (in terms of wealth) want to protect the rights that they may some day have as part of either of those classes...thats why people hate unions... the proleteriat does not want to overthrow the bourgeoisie they want to become them... That's a pretty strange way of seeing it... Most of what I see here are people saying that unions often: -defend people's right(?!) to not work and still be paid -prioritize seniority over competence -are making people in worst situations than theirs suffer in order to get their claims. How's that protecting the rights of the upper class ? The upper class isn't gonna pay the 65$ (now probably more) bus pass. The upper class is gonna start up their mercedes and drive away. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 1:11pm |
| Coolness: 106085 | At the rate things are going, the stm should be able to fix there deficit in about 40 strike days. Some of you might not know this but the stm doen not pay there workforce for the lenth of the strike. Big savings. Think maybe the union and the stm might be working together on this one?
I wounder how much that fancy shmancy security system costed, my guess, around 22 million, just about the sise of the deficit. hmmm... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Niji replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 1:13pm |
| Coolness: 70185 | That's strange, I read yesterday morning that they were paid 75% of their salary during the strike. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Smurf replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 1:14pm |
 Coolness: 42970 | just so ppl know, i got a flyer saying metro would run till 18h30, so i got to metro montmorency at 18h10 and it was closed, (apparently it does not mean last start at 18h30, i do not know what they mean by 18h30).
so had to take a cab from laval to downtown mtl, but i found fellow stranded passenger to split the bill. still sucks that i went out of my way to get to the metro on time and it was closes. (I usually work later than 18h30). |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Raius replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 1:20pm |
 Coolness: 38155 | They are still working plus they are entitled to strike pay if they work for less than 200$ a week. The security system isn't a big deal, we watch all major critical city infrastructure we always have it's nothing new. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 1:26pm |
| Coolness: 106085 | Who is paying there salary's, the union or the stm? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Raius replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 1:27pm |
| Coolness: 38155 | The Union pays strike pay usually, the STM pays wages still though as they are working just not fulltime hours. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Niji replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 1:28pm |
| Coolness: 70185 | Originally Posted By SMURF
just so ppl know, i got a flyer saying metro would run till 18h30, so i got to metro montmorency at 18h10 and it was closed, (apparently it does not mean last start at 18h30, i do not know what they mean by 18h30). so had to take a cab from laval to downtown mtl, but i found fellow stranded passenger to split the bill. still sucks that i went out of my way to get to the metro on time and it was closes. (I usually work later than 18h30). I think it means that the last metro reaches the end of the line at that time... well, crap. here's my solution: drop the union, there's your salary increase. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 1:31pm |
| Coolness: 92235 | The union pays but technically it is the employees paying for it themselves with the money they invested in the union. If you have a union every employee pays a certain amount off of each paycheck towards it. That's just their money comming back to them. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 1:33pm |
| Coolness: 106085 | Exactly, big savings for the stm. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Raius replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 2:06pm |
| Coolness: 38155 | No it's not big savings, they are still paying wages so unless the workers are working less than 200$ a week the STM is still paying them. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 2:38pm |
| Coolness: 145170 | ^for half days i imagine. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 3:28pm |
| Coolness: 92235 | Originally Posted By RAIUS NO IT'S NOT BIG SAVINGS, THEY ARE STILL PAYING WAGES SO UNLESS THE WORKERS ARE WORKING LESS THAN 200$ A WEEK THE STM IS STILL PAYING THEM.
Are you sure? Are they even allowed to work more than that while their co-workers are on strike? |
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