Anonymous Reaction To The Fbi Closing Megaupload
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Fri Jan 27, 2012 @ 5:27pm |
 Coolness: 685565 | But see, again, you don't seem to understand the actual WORDS themselves, how are you even going to try and argue something when YOU are the person who doesn't understand the difference between THEFT and COPIED?
Seriously, you learn this shit before even getting to kindergarten! Making a COPY of something does NOT deprive the owner of the original of his original; he is still free to do what he sees fit to do with his original. If I photocopy a book, that's COPYING, and that's PIRACY; anyone can still read the book, anyone can still buy the book, because the original has not gone ANYWHERE. Now, if I take the book itself, that is THEFT; no one can read it because I have it, the original owner can't sell it because I have it. It's EXACTLY what the poster with the piggy says at the bottom: PIRACY is what happens when I steal your car, but your car is still there in the morning for you to drive, sell, whatever, even though I'm also driving it around town at the same time. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nodeletesucks replied on Fri Jan 27, 2012 @ 5:44pm |
 Coolness: 55995 | Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE
termina .. any remotely serious label is registered (even the independent one) have taxes to fill and trimester checks to sign to artists. i know i receive it. it's like any small business.. many artists are doing that full time maybe not the locals in montreal i don't know it depends of your personal life choices.. OH HAI THERE! I own a label. It's registered and I'm filling my taxes. I'm still a student. I have a part-time job that doesn't give me enough hours and often I take a second job just to actually LIVE (when I can find one). It's been almost a year now. The label got some recognition in the electronica and techno scene, we got charted a few times by some artists here and there, I'm planning to tour in Europe this year to create showcases and actually it's going pretty well. (please note that we only released digitally for the moment due to the lack of my budget for vinyls) Right now, I think I almost invested something in the 4-5 digits in remix fees/graphic design/etc and I don't care that much (except for the fact that I need to get rid of those debts when I get out of school). I'm doing it because I love it and I think that there's so many talents that deserves to get more known in a scene where it's mostly a "who is has the best manager" contest. We always give out one free track every release because I know piracy is here and we want people to actually care about our works. Though, I was REALLY surprised how low the shops pay the labels. I pay my artists quite well but I always feel bad when I can only give something like 10 Euros for one trimester to a known artist just because there's not that many sales of his track. Do I need to tell you how frustrating it is to see your most recent EP being distributed on some russian website (who charges a fee to download the 320), one week after the release date? I don't care that much about the whole EPs getting distributed for free. Like my distributor said : "most of people doing that are not even likely to buy the EP. Often, it's people who download everything they can for some weird hoarding habit." And to be honest, I did download illegally when I was to young to get a credit card (or when I was too poor to even pay for food). It's funny (and really sad) because people download music saying to themselves "yeah well, these people make money out of the gigs anyway" and I know a lot of promoters who tries to cheap off the artists because "yeah well, these people make money out of their music sales". That's something wrong just right there. The problem is way more deeper than it looks. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Fri Jan 27, 2012 @ 5:46pm |
 Coolness: 158710 | SCREWHEAD: i studied many years in university and i'm pretty successful in general.. i don't know why you try to imply i resonate like a kinder garden child..
*roll eyes* i don't care about the semantics(of course i do know the definition of terms and i believe it is important to start in any debate) as if it is piracy or file sharing or whatever semantics you want to accord to this act is NOT RELEVANT TO ME. i really think that "piracy" (and not thievery!pfff) is wrong/unethical/unfair... for the same arguments i advance here since the beginning... and you never answered the issues that the creator wants to be master of the destiny of his own creation... THAT INCLUDE THE LIL COPIED PIGGY OF COURSE.. NOT JUST THE ORIGINAL!! THAT WOULD BE REALLY DUMD TO THINK THAT THE COPIED PIGGY IS NOT OWNED BY THE ORIGINAL CREATOR LIKE SERIOUSLY!!! ARRRRGGG the creator still HAS the lil piggy.. BUT HE HAVE NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER ON THE DESTINY OF THE COPIED LIL PIGGY.. THE LIL COPIED PIGGY COULD BE USED IN WAY THAT THE CREATOR DO NOT AGREE WITH... all your arguments do not hold the highway.. you are not answering all the complexities of what i try to communicate.. okay.. i need to run in shower.. i have a dinner and show w/ Duran Duran Duran tonight .. good luck having to forcibly giving away your original ideas and continue to be in denial about the unethical sides of "piracy". Update » Holly_Golightly wrote on Fri Jan 27, 2012 @ 5:50pm FML :))))))\
A_X Cell! aww someone who makes fucking sens in here! good luck for all your effort and even tho it apperas taboo to talk abotu $ and art it is just the sad reality./.. and i wish your label to survived and grow! keep up! |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» ZimO replied on Fri Jan 27, 2012 @ 6:04pm |
 Coolness: 46745 | Bottom line is, the business model in electronic music have changed, and record sells are no longer a main source of revenue for artists. It's now about getting your music to a max of people by any means (free or distributed). Then you get proper bookings which in turn pay your bills etc.. If someone wants to support you, they are very nice for doing so for sure, but I would rather get all my shit downloaded by thousands of people for free, then seeing 1 person go to prison for downloading a track or to prevent the music from being heard / played by people to save a few pennies. back some years ago, we used to press and sell 1500 copies of each vinyl release, the revenue was good, but now it's more of a 'collector's item' and a pressing is about 400 copies and repress if it sells out.. and digital sells don't pay as much, it's just how things evolved we can't do anything about it.
But you get WAY more exposure then ever before now so it balances out :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Fri Jan 27, 2012 @ 6:18pm |
| Coolness: 685565 | Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE
and you never answered the issues that the creator wants to be master of the destiny of his own creation... THAT INCLUDE THE LIL COPIED PIGGY OF COURSE.. NOT JUST THE ORIGINAL!! THAT WOULD BE REALLY DUMD TO THINK THAT THE COPIED PIGGY IS NOT OWNED BY THE ORIGINAL CREATOR LIKE SERIOUSLY!!! ARRRRGGG the creator still HAS the lil piggy.. BUT HE HAVE NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER ON THE DESTINY OF THE COPIED LIL PIGGY.. THE LIL COPIED PIGGY COULD BE USED IN WAY THAT THE CREATOR DO NOT AGREE WITH... Welcome to something we like to call "the real world". NO ONE is 100% in charge of their destiny or the destiny of their creations. No one plans to get into a car accident and die, no one plans to fall off a horse and get crippled. To take it a step further; no parent wants their child addicted to heroin. No parent wants their child to become a prostitute. No parent wants their child to be a mass murderer or a serial killer. What about THEIR plans? What about what THEY want to happen to something that THEY created? The real world is a chaotic, unpredictable thing, where NOTHING ever goes 100% according to plan. You have only two options when it comes to being the "master of the destiny" of something: 1: you never let it leave the house. You never let it look out the window. You never let ANYONE know that you've created this thing you want to control the destiny of. You lock it away in a safe, only for you to enjoy and no one else. or 2: You create something, raise it, nurture it, watch it evolve, and eventually you let it go out into the REAL WORLD. Once it's out in the REAL WORLD, it's destiny is not yours to control anymore. It's got to make it's OWN friends, it's got to make it's OWN mistakes. By sharing/exposing anything to even ONE other person, you've released it and let it out into the wild to get it's own independence. When you make art and release it to the world, your child is finally 18 and legal and can now go out and do what it wants. It's subjected to it's environment, just like every other piece of art/music/whatever. You may not like what some people are doing with it, but just because it's your child doesn't mean you have the right to police everyone. You're a parent, not a pimp. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Fri Jan 27, 2012 @ 7:21pm |
 Coolness: 129695 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
But see, again, you don't seem to understand the actual WORDS themselves, how are you even going to try and argue something when YOU are the person who doesn't understand the difference between THEFT and COPIED? Seriously, you learn this shit before even getting to kindergarten! Making a COPY of something does NOT deprive the owner of the original of his original; he is still free to do what he sees fit to do with his original. If I photocopy a book, that's COPYING, and that's PIRACY; anyone can still read the book, anyone can still buy the book, because the original has not gone ANYWHERE. Now, if I take the book itself, that is THEFT; no one can read it because I have it, the original owner can't sell it because I have it. It's EXACTLY what the poster with the piggy says at the bottom: PIRACY is what happens when I steal your car, but your car is still there in the morning for you to drive, sell, whatever, even though I'm also driving it around town at the same time. Ok heres the deal, there is such a thing as copyright. While I agree that the value of an mp3 does not equate the value of a psysical item. You still need permission to make a copy and share it. To give you an example, your dj name is Screwhead, you want to be the only one using that name, so you look around and see you're the only one using it, so you get it copyrighted. 2 years later, you're getting famous and mackin it with the honeys, when another kid shows up and starts using the same name. He even takes credit for some of your music, and goes so far as to upload some on his myspace profile. Promoters get confused, start booking him. What are you gonna do? Tell him its cool because the more copies of Screwhead there are, the better? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Fri Jan 27, 2012 @ 7:39pm |
 Coolness: 106090 | Originally Posted By ZIMO
I would rather get all my shit downloaded by thousands of people for free, then seeing 1 person go to prison for downloading a track or to prevent the music from being heard Amen |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Fri Jan 27, 2012 @ 7:44pm |
| Coolness: 685565 | That's a pretty stupid example. No one is taking credit for creating the music that's being pirated, though there have recently been issues with producers getting pissed off that people were remixing their tracks without their permission, to which I say "Where did you get your drums? Did you pay for all your samples? Those hiphop acapellas you've chopped out a bit of to use, did you pay for that? What about the movie samples in your tunes? Are you paying MGM or Warner or whoever the fuck owns the original movie that awesome sci-fi sample came from?"
If you're going to start being pedantic about shit, you make 100% certain that YOUR ass is clean before you start sniffing other people's. Update » Screwhead wrote on Fri Jan 27, 2012 @ 7:49pm And while we're at it, does anyone actually read the copyright information on the records and tracks you play? Did you know you're not allowed to play those records out to a crowd of people as a DJ unless you've asked each and every record label for the right to play the individual tracks out?
By copyright laws, every single DJ mix made by a DJ that hasn't gotten permission to use EVERY SINGLE TRACK from the original producer or label themselves is violating copyright law. "Oh, but, fair use, it's 'understood' that the music is going to be used for DJ mixes, so the labels that release music made for DJ mixes turn a blind eye to it and let the independents do it" So the law only applies, then, if the label is willing to enforce/police it themselves? It's OK to do one form of copyright infringement, but not another? When is the last time you bought a record or an MP3/WAV and then contacted the label and asked for permission to play the tune out at gigs or to put the tune in mixes? Because by copyright law, every single time you've NOT done this, you've broken copyright law and done something illegal. Update » Screwhead wrote on Fri Jan 27, 2012 @ 8:18pm And to get slightly back on target.
Do you know what Megaupload just got shut down NOW? Remember that quote from the MPAA guy about the govt. supporting them, when he was outright saying that he would stop giving money to people who didn't support them 100%? "Those who count on quote 'Hollywood' for support need to understand that this industry is watching very carefully who's going to stand up for them when their job is at stake. Don't ask me to write a check for you when you think your job is at risk and then don't pay any attention to me when my job is at stake,"
Well, what do you think the RIAA said behind closed doors when, on Dec. 21st, 2011, Megaupload anounced that they were starting a legal MP3 store like Amazon, Beatport, Itunes, etc This is 100% about control. Plain and simple totalitarian control over EVERYTHING. Update » Screwhead wrote on Fri Jan 27, 2012 @ 8:47pm And to complete this massive wall of text with an even bigger wall of text:
How The Music Industry Is Killing Music And Blaming The Fans |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Sat Jan 28, 2012 @ 3:51am |
| Coolness: 158710 | i totaly agree w/ you simon! if YOU want YOUR creations to be spread and you don't mind portals like megauload machin well like i argued IT'S YOUR CHOICE as an artist! You are master of your own destiny!:)
i'm sorry screwhead i read all your "brick walls" hehe and you still are not convincing me.. your analogy about creators "letting" go of their art vs parents who must cut the tie w/ their children was really touching but didn't do the job.. i'm talking here for independent labels, artists, creators,, you name it! i repeat: I'M NOT HERE DEFENDING THE BIG TIE UP BUSINESS GUYS.. like seriously sony.. bmg... universal blabla... they can go eat a big donkey dick! you know what we say?! FUCK THEM FUCK THEIR UNCLES FUCK THEIR MOTHERS FUCK THEIR FATHERS FUCK THEIR BROTHERS FUCK THEEEEMMMM AAAALLLLLLLLLLL (or sometin' like that..) honestly i'm talking here about dedicated people.. believe me.. hard working artists who work hard on their craft and even contrarily to film business don't even have unions and such.. i think that for the greatness they bring w/ their creations to this world.. well i mean if there is that much * people * who enjoy for free their labor on their ipod... i believe they deserve the minimum! health insurance, a roof, food etc etc etc * people * here being define as people who have enough money to buy a 300$ ipod or device. and do NOT refer to poor poor people who can't afford entertainment. because yeah music is not a right listed in the human rights but should be hehe;) oh and about this linked article.. very well written.. i actually agree w/ everything there so i wonder if i just dreamed our heated discussion... or what? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sat Jan 28, 2012 @ 4:02am |
| Coolness: 685565 | Did you read the one about the Megaupload thing? That would have benifited EVERYONE but the labels. The plan was to give away all the music for free, the only thing is you have to download it from that website, and the adds on the site generate money that's spread around to all the artists signed up.
they didn't shut it down because it was a piracy site, though that's the cover story for it. They shut it down because he'd come up with a business model that would give artists 90% of all the add revenue generated. Since it is/was a major site, they've already got tons of companies buying advertising on it. He made over $175 million from the adds when it was being used almost entirely for piracy. What he wanted to do was set up a music service that worked the same way, but gave the artists 90% of the add revenue they generated. Everyone could have gotten the music for free, AND the ARTISTS could have gotten payed for it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Sat Jan 28, 2012 @ 1:28pm |
 Coolness: 66675 | know what i say to all that ? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Sat Jan 28, 2012 @ 2:29pm |
| Coolness: 158710 | screwhead if like you said the guy had a "new business model" well it kind of was too lil too late don't you think? and what about all the other sites are they miraculously having new business models as well :)?
but of course i wouldn't be against this type of model but THE POINT that preoccupy me and make me wonder the most in all that: if the points for you is that you don't want your money in the pockets of big business guys or independent labels who "make" money on the back of the artists... WHY is it that it doesn't bother you that at the end it's the big guy who own that web site or the companies who sale toilet papers who gets the money? (bc believe me the big winner in that it's the corporation.. they wouldn't advertised if that wouldn't be more than profitable...) WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BIG BUSINESS GUY WHO SELL MUSIC OR A BIG BUSINESS GUY WHO SALE TOILET PAPER???\\\ and anyway i do not defend or even talk about those guys... i'm talking for independent labels and artists here.. SO.. WHY IS THAT PEOPLE WOULD NOT WANT THE INDEPENDENT LABELS TO SELL SOME MUSIC AND MAKE MONEY THEREFORE GIVING THEIR MONEY TO THEM INSTEAD OF A BUSINESS GUY WHO SELL TOILET PAPER? so like i said since the beginning i think a lots of "music fans" who don't pay for their music are hiding behind a grotesque argument like "it's for the principles" "i do it bc i don't want sony or bmg to get richer" " the artist don't receive any money anyway!" "danm capitalists" etc etc etc... WAKE THE FUCK UP SMELL THE ROSES AND GROW SOME BALLS seriously... admit that all these arguments are TOTAL BULL SHIT... and people should at least admit or be honest enough as to WHY they do it.. they do it bc it's FREE. that's all... not bc of some sort of anti capitalist hippy principles... or what not! c;mon screwhead please tell me you can see that non??? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Sat Jan 28, 2012 @ 3:39pm |
 Coolness: 166520 | ** Caffeine induced wall-of-text **
Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE
omg nate! fuck!feel really stupid// i always though you were on our list since like i was working there... it was so clear to me i never realized i will double check.. wow and now that you tell me about this mutante anecdote.. i really have the proof that i know who i can respect and trust!(<3francois) hit me up tomorrow on fessebook... we'll rectify all that... sorry i feel bad your such an old friend.. and dedicated to music..etc okay ttyl I'm supposed to be on a promo-copy mailing list?? SWEET! xD (I'll PM you) ... Btw, Pirates stole. They didn't go on a boat and make copies of everything and then leave :p But I get it - Internet Piracy. On the other hand, every single CD/Record/DVD is a copy of the master anyway, so ... o_O However, I think the point isn't whether you physically steal something, it's: a) if you profit from someone else's hard work/art. b) if you hinder the sales of said work/art. point a) is indisputable ... if you take my song and distribute it on a site that charges $$ for membership while I'm eating dry toast, fuck you. But, what I want isn't for you to get arrested or used as a scape-goat, what I want to see you you not making money on my art (if I'm not, and didn't agree to your distribution), that's all. Point b) is a little more vague and hard to prove. It all goes back to the question, IF people DLing are potential buyers or not, ie: Originally Posted By a_x_cell
Like my distributor said : "most of people doing that are not even likely to buy the EP. Often, it's people who download everything they can for some weird hoarding habit." A DJ who plays sets comprised ONLY of DLed material (and gets well paid for gigs), for shame! If a DJ plays a few choice tunes they didn't pay for, for whatever reason, it's IMO acceptable. Again, it's all in the honor. You have to trust people to have honest reasons for pirating a track, and are otherwise investing in music. But, like I alluded to earlier, PEOPLE SUCK and of course some people will be weak and lame enough to steal form their neighbors/people who can't afford to be robbed. Sales of physical copies are probably down, so, the entertainment industry will have to get creative if they want to keep doing their thing. That's the real issue; if given the technology we currently have, can businesses come up with a new model? If a band like Radiohead can release their album digitally and accept any amount of cash as a donation, can other bands successfully do it to? Have we come to an age where with the power of the internet we can destroy the Pop-music-industry-culture-of-greed-through-art and keep in place the independent labels we support? Can we create the musical equivalent of Linux (free ware) vs. Windows/Apple (bling bling) ? Honestly, most of us who aren't selling songs can only speculate. Only the labels and album-selling musicians can know for sure. the best studies could potentially come from the major-recording industry, but unfortunately they cover up the real science with tradionalist/puritain/conservative views and hidden agendas ... I for one would really like to see real numbers and finally know the truth behind: who profits from from pirating, who is really losing money, and if the amount is in fact worrisome or not, and how many careers are helped or ruined by free sharing of information and music, and at what tier of the GLOBAL music industry those careers stand (ie. independent or major or none), and finally if the new format for selling music (digitally) is better or worse or equal. I'm all for the vast, simple, and affordable distribution of music. I think every person should have access to the music that makes them happy. But I'm also for the producers getting a remuneration (ie. motivation!) for their talents. I'm against other people profiting from a person's art, and this includes major labels abusing their 'musicians' (read 'pop singers' with no discernible talent and too much auto-tune) for a big chunk of the money made. This also includes sites that charge you for "free" music. Musicians need to eat dammit! And they shouldn't have to flip burgers and waste precious time they should be spending on making more cool tunes! xD And the small labels that support creativity and original music should also be rewarded and make enough money to continue distributing their artists' art. Without dedicated small independent labels, we have to sift through a million myspace pages to find the music we like! :p "Freedom isn't free ... it costs a buck o' five" - south park |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sat Jan 28, 2012 @ 5:14pm |
| Coolness: 129695 | All you have to do is look at the wording of "Copyright".
It literally means giving the "right" to "copy". Another good example of copying would be those guys in France who went and copied the logo from the J'aime Le Dubstep blog and tried to make it their own thing. Stuff like that just isnt cool |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Sat Jan 28, 2012 @ 9:25pm |
| Coolness: 158710 | oh and btw screwhead ...
aren't you the guy who was POLICING this very website [ rave.ca ] bc you want to keep the general discussion pure of any adverse or random subjects like me putting up my stuff out.. weirdly you erased my threads but others like for example Omni get to putt up here their stuff! (good for them:)! AND OF COURSE NOBODY ERASE HERE THE LINKS OF PORTALS BEING POSTED BY USERS HERE bc after all it's the big business guy who sale toilet paper who advertised on those portals who is making the $ and not labels...(!) or the fact that there's google ads running on the left superior corner of my screen.. now that's alll right... but labels making money and artist selling their music!!??? how weird of an idea/concept is that!!!?? i just wonder;? WHY IT IS OKAY FOR YOU TO "MODERATE" "POLICE" THIS WEBSITE WHEN YOU DON'T WANT THE WHOLE WIDE WEB TO BE POLICED? now you going to tell me that "it's to keep stuff clean on the discussion board" or that "you don't have any monetary profit beside claiming the title of moderator doing so"... and that "THAT'S THE RIGHT OF NOAH TO CHOSE HOW HIS WEBSITE/ HIS CREATION IS RUN.. yaddiyadda" AWWW REALLLLYYY..?????????? how about i put my stuff here anyway. you or noah whatever have set a consequence for it; you'll erase my thread..etc.. BECAUSE YOU ARE MASTER HERE AND IN THAT CASE CHOSE THE DESTINY OF YOUR CREATION.. ETC.. NOW EXPLAIN TO ME WHY is it ok that you can require from me to follow a set of rules here on [ rave.ca ] but then CLAIM TO A FREE FOR ALL ARCHAIC kind of way of dealing with the art of others on the internet or simply doing business?? NOW HOW IRONIC and RETARDED IS THAT??? Update » Holly_Golightly wrote on Sat Jan 28, 2012 @ 11:23pm In common usage, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it.
If YOU have a copy of the thing I just "stole" from you, well, I didn't STEAL it. now just to make sure i really go around the question and how about we are talking here about INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY? the copy or the copy argument is irrelevant as to "oh the original is still there.." because intellectual property is not material. it's not an object! THE FILE IS NOT LIKE SOMETHING YOU CAN HOLD IN YOUR HAND BUT STILL HAS VALUE. it's intellectual property / IDEAS... AS UNIQUE AND ORIGINAL AS THEY ARE, ARE STILL INVISIBLE! SO REALLY THE COPY OF THE COPY OF LIL PIGGY ARGUMENT IS SO IRRELEVANT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT 2 SECONDS. it think the copy of the copy argument is reallly "not stealing" is like so anal.. |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Jan 29, 2012 @ 12:16am |
| Coolness: 685565 | It's amazing watching the 1% pretending to be the 99%. Keep posting.
Oh, and nothing gets deleted unless it's by Noah, I've only got the power to move threads and block users from posting in General. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Sun Jan 29, 2012 @ 1:09am |
| Coolness: 158710 | not sure to get what you try to insinuate here... that i'm part of the 1%? that the artists are the 1%?
ok, then if you can block users in here why can't i block people from using my shit.. why can you or noah decide to have your own lil rules and protect your lil creation that is [ rave.ca ] and not the creators who wants to protect their copyrighted properties??? c''mmmoooooonnn! Update » Holly_Golightly wrote on Sun Jan 29, 2012 @ 1:13am and you ARE such a PENIS for moving Omni and my recent threadd and make it a DOUBLE in the technologies/music section...
if YOUR MOTIVATIONS are to keep the discussion board clean and not looking crazy.. good job!ppff at least fucking erase one of them or annoy noah with so he erase it... AGAIN WHY THE FUCK ARTISTS AND LABELS CAN'T USE [ rave.ca ] LIKE THEY WANT BUT YOU THINK YOU CAN USED THE INTERNET AND OTHER'S STUFF LIKE YOU WANT??? WTF IS WRONG W/ YOU? Update » Holly_Golightly wrote on Sun Jan 29, 2012 @ 1:15am wait if you're that anal screwhead what is mickos party thread is still doing here??
go fast do your mission and move it! Update » Holly_Golightly wrote on Sun Jan 29, 2012 @ 1:19am oh and what about this other retarded thread started by Ashigaikha "Help! I Need Somebody Help, To Tell Me Whos Who In The Music Scene!"
mmmm... that certainly seems like a thread about music and some sort of business.. i didnt really get the whole shenanigan... but that too you should move it!!! Update » Holly_Golightly wrote on Sun Jan 29, 2012 @ 1:20am and.. the bliss thread about korn making dubstep.. that is certainly a thread about music...?
mmmm seems you have weird way of enforcing your rules! Update » Holly_Golightly wrote on Sun Jan 29, 2012 @ 1:23am mmmm... and that one seems about technology...
[ www.rave.ca ] oh! and all these threads were taken off the first page of the general discussion board... QUICK!!! YOU - NEED - TO - MOVE - IT!!! Update » Holly_Golightly wrote on Sun Jan 29, 2012 @ 1:28am maybe i should start only music threads for now on in general discussion so you have to move it each time...
bhahahaha HOW IRONIC ! : NOW YOU'LL EXACTLY UNDERSTAND WHAT I GO THROUGH WHEN I HAVE TO SEND TAKE DOWN NOTICES REPEATEDLY.. ACTUALLY THIS IS AN EXCELLENT ANALOGY RIGHT HERE... we'll be in the same boat! haha how retarded is all this! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Jan 29, 2012 @ 1:50am |
| Coolness: 685565 | This is why it's not even worth talking to you about this. You can't intelligently converse about a topic without thinking everyone is attacking you and that everyone is out to get you and that everyone hates you and is planning on bringing you down.
Sorry, but you're not that important. All you do is repeat the same barely-coherent garbage about toilet paper companies like how Mickos is always talking about ramen in a way that makes absolutely no sense. You don't even seem to understand the difference between the words steal and copy. Is it wrong that there are people taking music that doesn't belong to them and are making money off of it? ABSOLUTELY! You're not going to hear any argument from me about that. What those russian sites are doing is some shady business, and yes they should get shut down. But that's not what this is about. This is about you wanting complete and total strict totalitarin control over something that there is NO way for you to have without completely and totally breaking the way the Internet, computers and computer operating systems operate. SOPA/PIPA/ACTA are ALL about the language that's in them, and how it can be abused. That's why people are against it. The PERSONAL piracy (something that, by the way, is LEGAL in Canada, because we pay a levy on all forms of blank media that can store pirated data) isn't even an issue, because as was brought up by at least one other person, labels chose to interpret someone downloading their song and listening to it as if it was a lost sale, but really it's no different than when you used to record a music video on TV or a song on the radio to listen to on your own time. And Megaupload, the other major thing in this thread title, as I posted, got shut down 1 month after they started testing a service that would EARN MONEY for the artists DIRECTLY from free plays. They were opening a service where EVERYONE could listen to anything they want, for free, and thanks to advertising, the ARTISTS still make money off of it. I thought you agreed that artists need to get paid? Why would you be against something that PAYS artists DIRECTLY for giving away their music for free? Oooooooh, right, YOU WORK FOR A LABEL, so these revolutions would put YOU out of a job. Who's interest do you really have? The artists? The love of music? Or your own wallet? This is my last reply to any of your posts on the issue. If you want to actually learn to read, and learn what the meaning of the words COPY and STEAL are, and then maybe learn to put a sentence or two together that doesn't involve just repeating the same thing over and over again while ignoring anything anyone says and not doing any research yourself, you are not worth talking to. It's like trying to have a conversation with a wall. The 1%/99% thing was a low blow, and a childish attempt at an insult and riling you up, and I'm sorry about that. But the fact remains that you do NOT understand what we are talking about, and until you do, you should stay out of the discussion until you have educated yourself to the facts and the contents of the laws that the rest of us were trying to discuss in a civilized manner before you came in here yelling, screaming and ranting like a lunatic about toilet paper and Russian sites. You do not understand the technology, you do not understand the wording, you do not understand the laws that we are against. You are freaking out like Fox News; completely uninformed and telling nothing but biased half-truths and lies, and that is not the kind of thing that can be taken seriously in a conversation about the very real future of the internet and our right to accessing uncensored information. Update » Screwhead wrote on Sun Jan 29, 2012 @ 1:52am And if you actually READ the thread on the "party" mickos is talking about, you'd also be 99% certain that it's a joke. If it's not, it will get moved, but until then, seriously, learn to read and think about what you're reading before you post, because all you're accomplishing is making yourself look like a complete and total uneducated raving lunatic. |
| I'm feeling like a drama magnet right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Sun Jan 29, 2012 @ 2:44am |
| Coolness: 158710 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD IS IN RED.(IN CASE SOME RETARDS ARE READING ALL THAT!)
This is why it's not even worth talking to you about this. You can't intelligently converse about a topic without thinking everyone is attacking you and that everyone is out to get you and that everyone hates you and is planning on bringing you down. -----dude how can I or omni feel defensive when you move selectively our thread and not the others about music and technologies??? i mean of course i think you are kind of weird... AND ABSURD! but non honestly i don't think people are attacking me here or anything i just defend my opinions! rationally at that.. trying to be the less bitchy possible but beware it will come! Sorry, but you're not that important. -----mmmm never thought i was but you certainly make me feel special screwhead because you decided to erase my music thread and not the other threads... AND I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL THE ONE YOU NEVER REMOVE! YOU LOSE FACE DUDE ADMIT IT HAHA! All you do is repeat the same barely-coherent garbage about toilet paper companies like how Mickos is always talking about ramen in a way that makes absolutely no sense. You don't even seem to understand the difference between the words steal and copy. --- now that's real funny i feel exactly the same about you.. i don't get your ways or arguing methods or your perspective at all dude so either you make no sens or either you can't convey your ideas to me.. i don't know.. but we would have been the worse couple in the world jesus! haha you are now comparing me to mickos to put me down but we both know what time it is dude.. you're getting personal it's so ugly to see haha Is it wrong that there are people taking music that doesn't belong to them and are making money off of it? ABSOLUTELY! You're not going to hear any argument from me about that. What those russian sites are doing is some shady business, and yes they should get shut down. -----OMG PREY THE LORD JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!!! IT'S BEEN 3 DAYS I TRY TO MAKE YOU SAY THAT!!!! EXACTLY THAT... NOW YOU CHANGE YOUR DISCOURSE! you are such a BACK TRACKING COWARD ARGUER WOW! YOU JUST SWIFTLY QUICKLY INCLUDED THAT HAHAHA WOW IT'S BEEN 3 DAY YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT IT'S ETHICAL... THEN IF YOU ARE ADMITTING HERE THAT IT'S NOT WTF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE! I'M DREAMING OR WHAT! Who's interest do you really have? The artists? The love of music? Or your own wallet? ---- i really care about the artists and the labels around me that's for sure.. this is quite personal but to answer your question...i make some money out of music and me and my husband could live frugally on my work and his music sale and gigs across the world but non.. we are not doing it for the love of money bc we have other passions and career/ other means of income... YOU HAVE IT ALL WRONG I'M EXACTLY THE KIND OF PERSON WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT BECOMING RICH W/ MY CREATIVE STUFF BC I DON'T REALLY NEED IT AND I DON'T REALLY LIKE LUXURY..BESIDE NICE SHIT LIKE NICE FOOD, TRAVELS.. I DON'T EVEN REALLY SPEND ON CLOTHES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BC I DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT CRAP!you really are not getting it.. it's not a question of paper money at all or monetary gain i repeat!!! it's a question that one's should control and have a say in ntheir creation and if money is to be made well the corporation who advertised on Google well guess what i chose my camp and they can go suck your dick seriously. i really love music and i really believe in the small ventures i encouraged and work at... BUT THAT DOESN'T MEANS I DON'T WANT TO CONTROL MY CREATIONS.. OR ANY OTHER ARTIST WHO WOULD LIKE TO DO THE SAME.. I REALLY DON'T SEE WHAT'S THE PROBLEM! YOU TOTALLY ARE TRYING NOW TO MAKE ME PASS FOR SOMEONE WHICH I AM NOT.. HELL YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ME SO WHY ARE YOU GIVING ME INTENTIONS!? WHY IS IT OKAY FOR CORPORATION ADVERTISING ON GOOGLE TO MAKE MONEY ON THE BACK OF INDEPENDENT LABELS AND ARTISTS CREATION? THAT WAS ONLY MY POINT SINCE THE BEGINNING.. I EVEN APPROVED THE ARTICLE YOU POSTED HERE WHICH WAS CONTRADICTING YOUR ARGUMENTS! This is my last reply to any of your posts on the issue. If you want to actually learn to read, and learn what the meaning of the words COPY and STEAL are, and then maybe learn to put a sentence or two together that doesn't involve just repeating the same thing over and over again while ignoring anything anyone says and not doing any research yourself, you are not worth talking to. It's like trying to have a conversation with a wall. ---- AGAIN SOME HIT BELLOW THE BELT W/OUT ANY HUMOUR CONTRARILY TO MY OBSERVATIONS WHICH MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A LAME JERK.. i brought many arguments here and refuted many of your arguments but you didn't reciprocate much on that side.. which show me you are a sour pusssssy and a poor debater retracting at the last minute in the last post put here... how pathetic is that!!??? The 1%/99% thing was a low blow, and a childish attempt at an insult and riling you up, and I'm sorry about that. ---- well *cough* at least thanks for admitting that just after telling me i don't know how to read or analyze an issue... kind of lame again.. and again i feel myself too that you are not understanding my POV which YOU JUST COWARDLY ADMITTED!!! WOW WOW WOW i would have seen everything! You do not understand the technology, you do not understand the wording, you do not understand the laws that we are against. You are freaking out like Fox News; completely uninformed and telling nothing but biased half-truths and lies, and that is not the kind of thing that can be taken seriously in a conversation about the very real future of the internet and our right to accessing uncensored information. -----WOW that's really the most funny of all! i don't understand technologies but all my MAJOR INCOMES comes from that.. NICE TRY!pppf oh btw screwhead you are a specialist in technologies right? can you tell me what are you doing now? where do you work at? are you creating anything i mean you don't produce NOTHING. WHAT IS YOUR INPUT IN THE GAME? I SUSPECT THAT YOU ARE ON WELFARE ROAMING AROUND (AS YOUR OWN ADMITTANCE) ON THE INTERNET WATCHING PORN DAY LONG... CONTRIBUTING TO NOTHING IN THE WHOLE ORDEAL SO WHAT DO YOU CARE OF!!!! YOU SHOULD JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO YOUR WAY!!??? oh now! bouhouhou you are on welfare bc you are sick or incompetent or sometin' WELL TOUGH SHIT STEPHEN HAWKING DON;T HAVE A FUCKING SPINE! ( ^ NOW THAT'S WHEN I AM BELLOW THE BELT AND BEING A LIL BITCH JUST LIKE YOU!) and btw we didn't discuss at all the political aspect as MURDOCK ROCK pointed out earlier... SO DON'T EVEN TRY!!!! I AM TALKING HERE I REPEAT FOR THE INDEPENDENT LABELS AND ARTISTS... so i really don't know at that point what you even are talking about dude! And if you actually READ the thread on the "party" mickos is talking about, you'd also be 99% certain that it's a joke. If it's not, it will get moved, but until then, seriously, learn to read and think about what you're reading before you post, because all you're accomplishing is making yourself look like a complete and total uneducated raving lunatic. ----ok then WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER THREADS I POINTED OUT??? \ THE KORN THREAD now... what do you have to say as another lame argument/excuse?? ISN'T A FUCKING MUSIC THREAD RIGTH THERE! FML!!!! ARRRGGG you are so full of it.. it's weird screwhead but sometimes i really did believe we have some stuff in common and could be great acquaintances after all you are on my fessebook and appreciate your funny updates.. but each time we argue it always is the same.. really man we must have been trolllllll in another life or sometin'! |
| I'm feeling hitched right now.. | |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sun Jan 29, 2012 @ 3:19am |
| Coolness: 129695 | So from what I understand Screwhead banned Omni's and Betty's threads but kept the Korn thread
I'd say thats an abuse of power right there |
| I'm feeling sunshine right now.. | |
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