Fuck-Off Cheap Promoters !!! (like Hexa-5)
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead replied on Sat Feb 19, 2011 @ 10:12pm |
 Coolness: 75660 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED
contracts are useless... you can't sue anyone for peanuts... Who said anything about going to court. There was a period when I was having problems with promoters in Winnipeg... so I went with a contract that said (among other things), that I was to be notified of my set-time at least one week in advance of the show (so that I could prepare something appropriate for that slot). It also stipulated that any changes that would have an effect on when I played needed my approval. It also required that I was to be paid at the door when I entered the venue, and that if the money wasn't there that I would leave - and it would be up to the promoter to explain the situation... In my personal experience, if you show people that you're serious about what you're doing, they'll treat you with a lot less disregard. There's always room to cut people some slack, and it's not about being a total asshole... it's about making sure you're in a position where you can do what's best for you. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Sun Feb 20, 2011 @ 12:02am |
 Coolness: 509550 | aight, so not use-less... just it doesn't always serve it's predetermined purpose... like getting paid. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moebius replied on Sun Feb 20, 2011 @ 1:53am |
 Coolness: 70535 | Originally Posted By OMNI
So, to me, it's not about how much money you pay, it's really all about living up to your promises. that's the point ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nodeletesucks replied on Sun Feb 20, 2011 @ 3:38am |
 Coolness: 56010 | The way I see it : I get maybe like 10$ a year by selling a track on beatport (I really can't tell how much since my first releases on it are gonna be in 2 weeks (shameless plug) but I assume it by hearing what people say). I recently had to sign 2-3 pages contracts with lots of points simply stating that I get 50% of the profits on the selling and if there's a possibility some TV/Video Game/Cinema company want my track, we discuss further on an another contract in the case it happens.
A contract for 20$ (or any other amount) and decent conditions of DJing? Why not? We're not in the 80s-90s anymore when fucking raves were illegal and was considered like shit by the eyes of society and scared parents! We're in 2011! Electronic nights and raves are there, no one complain about it anymore and if a rave is considered an "electronic music EVENT" to the eyes of the society, then why the fuck would a DJ not be considered a worker to the said event? If we add just this little element, nothing too hard to do and nothing that is really too much asking (c'mon! if your boss wouldn't give you money after working in conditions that weren't said by this boss, you would kick his ass and sue the fuck out of him!), maybe MAYBE it's gonna be considered much more professional and if everyone does it, then we won't get any stories of sketchy promoters keeping money on the back of workers/DJs/whatever. I'm gonna be working on a contract template pretty soon. When mid-terms are over. Keep an eye on it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Sun Feb 20, 2011 @ 1:00pm |
 Coolness: 152995 | a_X_cell, j'en ai un contrat que jvais utiliser, jpeut le poster ici pour que tout les dj aie un contrat semblable, c'Est avec des fill-in-the-blanks au niveau des montants et des truc comme ca.
moi jfait signer des contrat quanbd je connais pas le prmoteur personellement ou que j'ai pas une certaine confiance en la personne.. pas depuis longtemps mais au moin! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nodeletesucks replied on Sun Feb 20, 2011 @ 1:17pm |
| Coolness: 56010 | Originally Posted By DEADFUNK
a_X_cell, j'en ai un contrat que jvais utiliser, jpeut le poster ici pour que tout les dj aie un contrat semblable, c'Est avec des fill-in-the-blanks au niveau des montants et des truc comme ca. moi jfait signer des contrat quanbd je connais pas le prmoteur personellement ou que j'ai pas une certaine confiance en la personne.. pas depuis longtemps mais au moin! Pourrait être bien oui! J'imagine qu'on peut le changer à notre sauce pour qu'il y ait des conditions minimales. Du genre : s'il y a changement des conditions de performances pour une raison quelconque, il revient à la décision du performeur s'il continue sa performance ou pas. En cas d'arrêt, un dédommagement moyennant les coûts de transport du performeur sera exigé. Par là je veux dire que si on doit jouer avec un bris technique et que c'est totalement accidentel, on fait comme si de rien était et on continue (ce qui est totalement normal). Par contre, si c'est un truc comme ce que j'ai vu hier soir où le proprio du bar envoie chier le DJ en baissant le volume qui était rendu limité aux speakers du DJ booth car la police est venu plus tôt parce que le DJ d'avant jouait dans le rouge, alors là le DJ est libre de faire quoi que ce soit et est protégé. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sun Feb 20, 2011 @ 1:19pm |
 Coolness: 129710 | Having a contract is good, I honestly rarely sign contracts though, except if the promoter sends me one, and its usually in cases where the amount is over $300.00
Generally just make sure you have an email from the promoter that clearly states the amount you are to receive, because that in itself is a written contract. Also the problem with small claims court is that it has to be over a certain amount (over $250.00 or something) for you to go to court. You can't go to court over $50.00 or some small amount, its not even worth it in costs and time alone either for you or the court. However for the record, I've never had a promoter NOT pay me though so its not like this problem is rampant, in 15 years of spinning in Montreal I've always got paid my full amounts no problem. So to their credit I would say the MAJORITY of promoters in this city are honest in that regard. Update » Blisss wrote on Sun Feb 20, 2011 @ 1:41pm Axcell, c'est probablement a cause des nouvelles lois sur la nuisance sonore. Les bars risquent des amendes enormes maintenant s'ils depassent un certain niveau de son. Dans un cas comme celui la, c'est probablement mieux de baisser le son, surtout si la police est deja venu une fois. Le proprio du bar c'est celui qui finis par payer l'amende alors je peux comprendres qu'il devait capoter un petit peu. Dans un cas comme ca, tu veux pas non plus que le proprio te pursuit parce qu'il a recu une amende de $5,000 parce t'as jouer trop fort ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Sun Feb 20, 2011 @ 5:49pm |
 Coolness: 166535 | The best thing about a contract, is that you can attach a Tech-Rider, in which you can ask for all sorts of crazy things!
"Will not play if not provided with: CDj 800s, Pioneer djm 700 or 800, Technics 1200s, a giant bowl of popcorn, 2 bottles of La Fin Du Monde, 3.5 grams of weed, a separate dressing room, a vegetarian meal, 2L of Dr. Pepper, a giant inflatable sheep, a white towel, and a personal assistant who uses said towel to wipe off sweat during the set (who must be dressed up as Pinhead)" ... :P I'll start a Union for us too, the Canadian Hardcore Union of Djs ... aka: C. H. U. D. XD |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Sun Feb 20, 2011 @ 7:17pm |
 Coolness: 282445 | For me it's people who promise you gigs then don't add you to the lineup. After you offer them to play for free, that's just a real low blow imo.
Makes you re-evaluate things. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nodeletesucks replied on Sun Feb 20, 2011 @ 7:54pm |
| Coolness: 56010 | Originally Posted By BLISSS
Axcell, c'est probablement a cause des nouvelles lois sur la nuisance sonore. Les bars risquent des amendes enormes maintenant s'ils depassent un certain niveau de son. Dans un cas comme celui la, c'est probablement mieux de baisser le son, surtout si la police est deja venu une fois. Le proprio du bar c'est celui qui finis par payer l'amende alors je peux comprendres qu'il devait capoter un petit peu. Dans un cas comme ca, tu veux pas non plus que le proprio te pursuit parce qu'il a recu une amende de $5,000 parce t'as jouer trop fort ;) Ouais c'est comprenable! Mais de là à te traiter comme de la merde et t'envoyer chier alors que tu joues à un volume où que la voix des personnes commandant au bar est plus fort que la musique, c'est de l'abus. Perso, je parle pas qu'on devrait faire des divas mais au moins avoir des conditions MINIMALES et respectées avant de jouer. Un peu comme les conditions que Fishead faisait part dans son post. Et souvent, c'est du cas par cas, c'est pour ça que je parle que ça revient à la décision du performeur (c'mon, quelqu'un renverse une bière sur moi ou je dois jouer sans moniteur car le seul qu'il y a est tourné vers le public en attendant que le breaker du système de son revienne, je vais pas arrêté et exiger plein d'argent pour un gig que j'ai pas fais!) @Na : Makes me remind of that Tiesto story last time when he came in Quebec city. He said he wanted a bottle of vodka (I don't know which one and which year). The night comes, he makes a diva out of himself and says he wouldn't play if he don't get this specific vodka bottle (they brought another one I guess). It was something like 11pm, 2 hours before he played. SAQs are closed. They had to pay 400$ in a club to actually get this bottle so he would stop whining. |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» prrr replied on Sun Feb 20, 2011 @ 8:30pm |
 Coolness: 43635 | Haha I performed at Eclipse for guest list too. It wasn't cool when I spent several hours trying to get through the gates though, explaining that my name was on the ***ing flyer, nevermind the guest list, so let me in please. Couldn't even call anyone. I was so pissed especially when they tried to force me to open my music equipment in the rain and not even under the tarp that was a couple meters away. But that was an issue of the security that was there at the time. I'm sure the promoters are just really busy and practically non-reachable at the last moments before the festival stars, and, nobody can be everywhere at once and can have complete control over all the different people that make up their staff and can't be there for every little issue that pops up so it's understandable at a big party.
Originally Posted By BLISSS
Vraiment n'importes quoi ton affaire, c'est peut-etre le cas pour la psy-trance scene qui franchement est un véritable disgrace, no joke. Je penses que le probleme c'est que c'est trop HIPPY votre mentalité...Et je dis pas ca mechament so don't get mad :P Pas vrai, il y a des promoteurs tellements excellentes. Tranceplants/Adam par example. Quelques promoteurs de scene psychedelique travail très forte, avec l'honnêté, et beaucoup de passion et c'est evident dans leurs evenements. & I don't think Tech Safari has ever not paid anyone, have they? Everyone is different, each promoter. There are definitely events that have been organized very, very well and genuine smart people doing parties here in all scenes. Originally Posted By BLISSS
T'es juste en train de me dire que les choses sont comme elles sont, qu'elles changeront pas, et que les artistes devrait fermer leur geule et accepter de se faire exploiter. Thats bullshit. +1000000 :) Originally Posted By omni
It's not just a matter of being paid or not. It's not about the money. It's a matter of being honest and not lying to people. :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sun Feb 20, 2011 @ 10:13pm |
| Coolness: 129710 | Axcell, I remember this one time at Passeport where this girl was completely HARRASSING me for special requests. She walked in the club at 10:30 and came straight up to me and started bitching about the music "Hey c'est quoi c'est musique? mets du 80s". I told her to take a hike. So she goes "Tu sais quoi, je connais le proprio, tu vas voir je vais te faire perdre ta job!" so I said "Oh yeah, go ahead"
The girl goes get the owner and she comes back with this big cunty smile on her face. So as soon as they get to the dj booth, bam, I stop the music right there and turn on the lights. The owner's standing there speecheless like an idiot with this dumb chick. I look at him and I say nice and loud "If you try to make do anything I don't want to do, you can find yourself another dj, I'll walk out of this club right now" The owners starts freaking out. So he goes "ok ok put the music back on". I gave the girl a wink and kept on playing. I never got bothered again by that owner and the chick came back the next week trying to FUCK ME of all things which was pretty hilarious. So the moral of the story is, always stand your ground with club owners, you'll be surprised how things work out :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Sun Feb 20, 2011 @ 11:20pm |
| Coolness: 509550 | Originally Posted By ZOMBIENATHAN
I'll start a Union for us too, the Canadian Hardcore Union of Djs ... aka: C. H. U. D. Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dwellers!!! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Sun Feb 20, 2011 @ 11:28pm |
| Coolness: 166535 | Originally Posted By BLISSS
"Tu sais quoi, je connais le proprio" ... The girl goes get the owner ... Luckily at Passeport there are 8 owners and they all have respect for DJs (one is a resident dj there) - unless you're talking about the old Passeport ... ? Originally Posted By BLISSS
So the moral of the story is, always stand your ground with club owners, you'll be surprised how things work out :) and the other moral is: you can't sell booze in a club with no music ;) i hate requests, but you have to understand people who make 'em, they want to hear the tunes they paid cover for .. but damn it can be fuckin' annoying. Club owners just try to keep their regulars happy. Promoters, though, should tell you beforehand what they would like you to play if not your normal style. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Mon Feb 21, 2011 @ 2:43am |
| Coolness: 129710 | There were 9 owners when I worked there, and yes it was the original Passeport. They gave me both the friday and saturday after that so I was probably doing something right ;)
And just for the record so you newer djs know. Its actually ILLEGAL for someone to enter an establishment and try to impose their music. You cant walk into your supermarket and tell them to change the music ;) You cant just go to Mix 96 and tell them to play dubstep. As a Dj you are legally protected. The only thing an owner can do is fire you for not being a jukebox. So dont ever let anyone make you do anything you dont want to do, even if they threaten you or try to bully you. Unfortunately many Djs still get conned by this idea that because people buy drinks they are automatically entitled to dictate what gets played. Its total bullshit. Its the main reason you hear so much commercial crap in clubs. Its because you have 5 or 6 fussy customers that take over the dj booth and impose their choices on everyone. My attitude is actually a lot more DEMOCRATIC. I don't play requests for anyone, so everyone is treated equal and I can actually do THE JOB IM PAID FOR unfettered so people get the best possible set I can offer. If I did start taking requests, I'd have no control over my set, would play stuff I wouldn't think is good and ultimately cheat the very people who paid money to hear me play. I mean if I go to a DNB night for example, and some girls harrassing the dj for Lady Gaga because she bought herself a $3.00 drink, I'd expect the Dj to tell her to take a hike, not start playing Lady Gaga in the middle of a DNB set, I mean I'd probably be the one leaving regreting having spent $5 to hear a dj cave in. I worked at Blizzarts for 7 years straight and NEVER played a request and NEVER had a problem. People still came every week and danced. The rare people who would come in there and try to boss me around, the owner would tell them "Look he's the dj, you're not, let him do his job" Thats why I loved spinning there :) No bullshit |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Mon Feb 21, 2011 @ 2:56am |
 Coolness: 201215 | I go to a night to hear good music..
If I wanted to hear whatever I wanted.. I would stay at home with DJ itunes.. People who demand requests are retards.. It's better to not have their business. |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Mon Feb 21, 2011 @ 3:25am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Mon Feb 21, 2011 @ 3:33am |
| Coolness: 129710 | Amen to that brother :)
The funny thing about request people is that they are often the most obnoxious rudest people in the place to begin with. Although to be honest I did meet my ex-girlfriend at Passeport through requests. She was mad cool though, she'd come up there with these big brown eyes and just whisper softly "Si jamais ca fit dans ton set, Closer, NIN", which I must admit is a great tune. I just couldn't refuse when asked like that lol... so I'd always do this cool mashup with this Plastikman track underneath near the end of my set just so she'd be around at closing for me to talk to her :)... So yeah that is one situation where I must admit I am guilty as charged :P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Mon Feb 21, 2011 @ 3:41am |
 Coolness: 158725 | booking agencies.
or having balls. politics bullshit.. or dickheads.. always gonna happen... in all countries.. all scnenes.. brace yourself.. matt je suis desolee que ca t'es arrive.. myself i'm still waiting after stephane/centre fractal/akira for the 500$ him and his business blatantly stole from me after his local closed and my party for which i had gave a deposit never happened there, which double fucked my plans! :( (oh well hitched was still a great party!) SINCE 4 YEARS!! that's basically meaning that he could have refund my deposit 50 CENTS each day if he was a man but no he runs away like a little girl. tip: if recovered this amount of money would basically be divided between all the locals who played at the party!: PERFECTION PLASTIC (Rage Division) *LIVE SARCASTIC (Level 4 production) special techno set MUTANTE (Psychik Genocide / Cosmic Baby / C.S.R.) Hardcore Na (DeadNa Productions) Hardcore FISHEAD (Alien Scale, Control To Chaos) Special Set DOC SAVAGE (Synergy Canada) Techno CLOWN (Jester Records / Alien Crew / Techno.fm) Electro-Tek FALLING (Agumon production - Mystik) techno TOLTECH (Level 4 production) Techno SCREWHEAD (Twisted Bass- TECHNO.FM) DnB TIPSY T (Ravin Phantasy Records) Special Set so you were 11... 500$.. so that is around 50$ each... not a lot.. but i, personally, to each one of you, give you the permission to ask stephane/akira/centre fractal money if you cross path with him :). haha ..at least it is the only time that rubbish shit like this happen to me. fuck. Update » Holly_Golightly wrote on Mon Feb 21, 2011 @ 3:47am anyway sorry for the rant.. i thought it was a great place here to do it..
beside that.. mmm great things said here,..,., |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Mon Feb 21, 2011 @ 10:46am |
 Coolness: 145190 | everything i have ever heard about fractal has been bad, no one has ever said "wow those guys from fractal are super professional" i have only ever heard bad stuff. |
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