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Israeli Soldiers (animals) Attack Canadian Humanitarian
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 4:48am
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 6:00am
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Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD




haha awesome! "Israel is above international law."
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 10:33am
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Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE

like in Rwanda right :)?


Today's smartest remark.
<3's to Betty.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 12:08pm
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Originally Posted By A.SINGLETON

Was this guy trying to be a martyr? or...




Yeah I believe he WAS.

But at least he was a citizen and not some american college kid who goes over to a country he knows nothing about and tries to be a hero.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 12:14pm
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Originally Posted By DRTAKO

But at least he was a citizen and not some american college kid who goes over to a country he knows nothing about and tries to be a hero.


Yeah, wanting to change the world for the better is such a fucking bullshit thing to do. Fucking kid should have just sat in his dorm playing Halo and calling everyone a fag or a nigger over chat.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 12:23pm
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Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD

Yeah, wanting to change the world for the better is such a fucking bullshit thing to do. Fucking kid should have just sat in his dorm playing Halo and calling everyone a fag or a nigger over chat.


Or comment about it on the internets to feel smug.

Trust me I know the real reason people rag on Israel so much compared to much much worse tragedies that happen every day like a bunch of people getting blown up in a mosque in Pakistan while praying which nobody here seems to give two shits about.

It's COOL to hate on Israel if you are a left-wing college kid, they practically encourage it on campuses.

People get all passionate about a country, culture, and conflict they don't have a clue about.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 12:30pm
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my husband worked for 4 months in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone during the civil war and risked his life trying to implant and create network and software database to help refugees dispersed in different camps to find their family, what an American cunt!

did you think about the fact that some people are still go to the extent of their principles and wanna do stuff freely and not because they want to be a hero?!

ps: Moloch ;)

ps2:
"Et, sous ses pieds, les coups profonds, les coups obstinés des rivelaines continuaient. Les camarades étaient tous là, il les entendait le suivre à chaque enjambée. N'était-ce pas la Maheude, sous cette pièce de betteraves, l'échine cassée, dont le souffle montait si rauque, accompagné par le ronflement du ventilateur ? A gauche, à droite, plus loin, il croyait en reconnaître d'autres, sous les blés, les haies vives, les jeunes arbres. Maintenant, en plein ciel, le soleil d'avril rayonnait dans sa gloire, échauffant la terre qui enfantait. Du flanc nourricier jaillissait la vie, les bourgeons crevaient en feuilles vertes, les champs tressaillaient de la poussée des herbes. De toutes parts, des graines se gonflaient, s'allongeaient, gerçaient la plaine, travaillées d'un besoin de chaleur et de lumière. Un débordement de sève coulait avec des voix chuchotantes, le bruit des germes s'épandait en un grand baiser. Encore, encore, de plus en plus distinctement, comme s'ils se fussent rapprochés du sol, les camarades tapaient. Aux rayons enflammés de l'astre, par cette matinée de jeunesse, c'était de cette rumeur que la campagne était grosse. Des hommes poussaient, une armée noire, vengeresse, qui germait lentement dans les sillons, grandissant pour les récoltes du siècle futur, et dont la germination allait faire bientôt éclater la terre."

Emile Zola, Germinal
Update » Holly_Golightly wrote on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 12:38pm
drtako: my best friend is from Israel and i don't think it's cool at all to hate on Israel... i think there;s a difference between not agreeing with a government and hating on the country...

as much as it's cool to hate on all the usa as a whole... and not just the gov/system and its few brainwashed people///

it's so easy to put people in compartments..
Update » Holly_Golightly wrote on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 12:50pm
for non-french speakers: "Beneath the blazing of the sun, in that morning of new growth, the countryside rang with song, as its belly swelled with a black and avenging army of men, germinating slowly in its furrows, growing upwards in readiness for harvests to come, until one day soon their ripening would burst open the earth itself."
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 12:33pm
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At least your husband did something helpful instead of standing in front of a bulldozer for a photo op.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 12:44pm
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ok but at the same time you can't judge people based on your "absolute truth"/ you need to observe things with a certain cultural relativism..

this guy or other people who sacrificed their life for their cause have grown up in a different culture and social environment than ours...

i don't think it's fair that you try to explain their behaviors based on your own comfortable western standards.

don't forget that life sacrifices or violence is the solution of people who have nothing to lose anymore...

YOU: have you already been in this type of life or dilemma??? i don't think so.

ps: VIVRE LIBRE OU MOURIR!!!
Update » Holly_Golightly wrote on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 12:57pm
oh btw i listen NPR during my commute each day and they were talking about this Pakistan massacre and i felt sorry as much as i am now for the people affected by this conflict...
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 12:55pm
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"i don't think it's fair that you try to explain their behaviors based on your own comfortable western standards. "

You took the words out of my mouth. That's what those 'heroes' are doing.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 1:00pm
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maybe... maybe not..
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 1:03pm
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Originally Posted By DRTAKO

Trust me I know the real reason people rag on Israel so much compared to much much worse tragedies that happen every day like a bunch of people getting blown up in a mosque in Pakistan while praying which nobody here seems to give two shits about.



Its because Israel is a state and should be held accountable for its foreign policy by the international community, just like a murderer or a rapist is a person and should be held accountable for its actions by the civic community and civil society via the police and judicial system. But they're not. And its awful to see this problem continue year after year.

The restriction of freedom of movement is morally repugnant. The only way you can justify it is by placing the land ownership and well being of Israelis as infinitely more important than the the economic well being of Palestinians.

I'm pretty sure thats why people rag on israel. Id love to hear your thought process as to why everyone in the world save for the USA and Conservatives rag on them, though. Really, Id love to hear it...
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 1:24pm
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it's easy to hate on israel, they're like the new york yankees, they win all the time...
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 1:25pm
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Originally Posted By BASDINI

it's easy to hate on israel, they're like the new york yankees, they win all the time...


haha
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 1:55pm
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I'd like to again mention the tragic bombing of a mosque in pakistan by the taleban. A far more heinous incident that got little press.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 2:43pm
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Originally Posted By DRTAKO

I'd like to again mention the tragic bombing of a mosque in pakistan by the taleban. A far more heinous incident that got little press.


what's more impressive, a muscled guy beating a guy the same height half to death or the same victim having bones broken by a single blow from a football player (giant) ?
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 2:46pm
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Originally Posted By DRTAKO

"i don't think it's fair that you try to explain their behaviors based on your own comfortable western standards. "



lol. sure! I've seen guys on torontojungle using that same argument to justify homophobic lyrics in dancehall and ragga-jungle...

Gay activists in Toronto got some reggae vocalist banned from performing in Toronto - maybe Elephant Man - and they had to cancel the show. the guy's lyrics explicitly promote violence against gays. talk about killing gay men by shooting them in the head or burning them to death.

this is in a country where gay men have actually been stoned to death... so I say, good for the gay rights people!

but these guys (who, I might add, are white and not from the Caribbean) were saying "nah it's not fair man. You guys don't understand what it's like down there - you don't understand the culture"

what's not to understand? they are encouraging people to kill gays. it is hate mongering. I don't need to be from there to understand that it's wrong.

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and the same thing here...

I don't need to be from Israel to know that deliberately crushing a peace activist to death with a bulldozer is wrong

Illegal settlements are wrong - illegal occupation is wrong

Standing by and watching for 3 days while your allies rape women and murder little kids is wrong.

Refusing to help some housewife as she lies dying in front of her husband and kids is wrong.

Then the racist punk who killed her tells the camera that the place is dirty and what they are doing is a "purification".

This kind of arrogant brutality is exactly what Jewish people suffered in Nazi Germany before the final solution.

I remember after 9/11, during the Intifadah... I heard some CNN Correspondent commenting that if suicide bombings didn't stop, the Palestinian people would face extinction . extinction!! I couldn't beleive my ears. he didn't just say that randomly, I'm sure.

extinction means genocide. by using that word, they are trying to get people comfortable with the idea that one day, all the refugees - every man woman and child - might have to be wiped out, once and for all. it's a final solution. history repeating itself

and as for imposing our "western values" on Israel... horse shit. I will bet 20 bucks that the guy who drove that bulldozer is of Russian or Ukrainian origin... either born there himself, or the son of immigrants.

Israel is full of people who have immigrated from America, Toronto, Montreal, Russia, Ukraine, Western Europe. The vast majority of people who founded the state of Israel immigrated from western cultures, so they are well-aqcuainted with those values and democratic principles.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 4:51pm
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^ Wow! QFT
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 5:24pm
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British naval and counter-terrorism expert Peter Cook on the #flotilla: Israelis with paintball guns were lynched, take a look and. (Channel 4 - UK):
[ www.youtube.com ]

Footage from the Gaza Flotilla - How Violence Breaks Out:
[ www.youtube.com ]

Flotilla Passengers Fire Live Ammunition at IDF Soldiers:
[ www.youtube.com ]

The Turkish boat activists meant violence - watch how they use hoses, stun grenades and metal rods against the Israelis - remember, 5 of the 6 boats docked peacefully - those on the 6th were aggressive:
[ www.youtube.com ]

"Daniel in the Lions Den": Violence of Flotilla activist supporters in LA:
[ www.youtube.com ]

Here are some of the facts:

Israel transfers about 15,000 tons of supplies and humanitarian aid every week to the people of Gaza.

Lawyers representing the family of Gilad Shalit, the kidnapped Israeli soldier held in isolation, had asked the protestors to take aid for him, they refused.

Israel offered the ship to dock in Ashdod port and they would transfer the aid to Gaza. This offer was made again and again - they refused.

Israel has said that it will deliver any humanitarian aid that was in the boats to Gaza, as it does daily.

Israel left Gaza in hopes of peace in 2005 and in return received more than 10,000 rockets and terrorist attacks. Israel has sought peace and compromise with its neighbors for all of its 62 years and it will continue to do so.

Israel maintains a maritime blockade to ensure that weapons are not brought in by Hamas to use in attacks against Israel.

"We fully intend to go to Gaza regardless of any intimidation or threats of violence against us, they are going to have to forcefully stop us," said one of the flotilla's organizers.

In the past, terrorist sympathizers have used aid deliveries to smuggle items like potassium nitrate in sugar sacks and used it to make bombs. Israel cannot afford to let goods get to Hamas unchecked.

Five boats were boarded, the protestors complied and they were safely let to shore.

One boat - the Mavi Marmara - did not comply. That is the boat where the violence took place.

This was meant to provoke - it was funded and organized by a Turkish Islamist organization (IHH) that has links to fundamentalist jihadi groups. The ship was flying under the Turkish flag.

Those on board carried out pre-planned violence, armed with knives and metal bars, each soldier being attacked by a mob of a dozen extremists. They threw one soldier off the top deck of the ship.

The Israeli government maintains that allowing the illegal flotilla to reach Hamas would have opened a corridor of smuggling of weapons to Gaza and resulting in civilian deaths.

Using the Arabic term 'intifada,' Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said "We call on all Arabs and Muslims to rise up in front of Zionist embassies across the whole world.

As the flotilla made its way to meet him in Gaza, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh said this week: "If the ships reach Gaza it is a victory; if they are intercepted, it will be a victory too".

Turkey permitted the Marmara to fly under its flag. Turkey knew that the IHH (Turkish Humanitarian Relief Foundation) had organized the Flotilla, and supports the genocidal terrorist organization Hamas, several Jihadist organizations in Bosina, Syria, Iraq, Libya, and elsewhere, and has ties with Al Qaeda. But Turkey did not prevent the Flotilla from disembarking and attacking Israel's sovereign right to protect itself from terrorists attempting to enter Gaza. Now Turkey is condemning Israel for the unfortunate casualties, and is leading the charge to condemn Israel at the U.N. It is Turkey that should be condemned by the United Nations for its role in this brutal trap set for Israelis.

Hamas is responsible for the suffering of both Palestinians and Israelis. Their racist charter calls for Islamic domination; their stance is unchanged and they repress any Palestinians that try and counter their regime.

Any police force in the world would respond to aggression; the provocation is the reason for this regrettable outcome. No country would allow illegal entry of any vessel into their waters without a security check.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 6:05pm
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Originally Posted By NUCLEAR

The Turkish boat activists meant violence - watch how they use hoses, stun grenades and metal rods against the Israelis - remember, 5 of the 6 boats docked peacefully - those on the 6th were aggressive:
[ www.youtube.com ]


..and if you watch the videos that aren't pro-israel, like the ones in the link I posted, you'd also see that the Israeli ships opened fire on them LONG before they were in range of hoses or stun-grenades and long before anyone even attempted to board. In that video I quoted, there were already a few dead on the aid ship and they were trying to save their own lives.
Update » Screwhead wrote on Thu Jun 3, 2010 @ 6:31pm
[ abcnews.go.com ]

A forensic report said he was shot at close range, with four bullets in his head and one in his chest, according to the Anatolian news agency.
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