Israeli Soldiers (animals) Attack Canadian Humanitarian
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 12:44am |
 Coolness: 158775 | Originally Posted By DRTAKO
some arbitrarily drawn area defined by the british? ha! ill used then your argument; you say that the British decided but they had a whole lots of pressure from the international community following the holocaust... the British even tried to stop some ships from arriving there knowing how it would turn sour in the future.. i don't even know about what you are arguing about because i agree that there is no tragedy like this one w/out somewhat the complicity of others... now you say oh its not Israel: ITS THE BRITISH!!! ok... and?? now what?> it doesn't justify what;s happening... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 1:33am |
 Coolness: 201265 | I'm saying there are a lot more parties involved than the 'Zionists', and I don't agree with the actions of either side. Both are supported by funds from other nations. If people stayed out of the conflict it would probably resolve itself. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 4:06am |
 Coolness: 108845 | Originally Posted By DRTAKO
I'm saying there are a lot more parties involved than the 'Zionists', and I don't agree with the actions of either side. Both are supported by funds from other nations. If people stayed out of the conflict it would probably resolve itself. Just like it "resolved" in Lebanon hunh? Update » DynV wrote on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 4:14am I forgot Israel little puppet Syria is still claiming Golan Heights |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 10:06am |
| Coolness: 158775 | Originally Posted By DRTAKO
If people stayed out of the conflict it would probably resolve itself. like in Rwanda right :)? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 12:01pm |
 Coolness: 145240 | it's so pointless to take sides in this debate, don't waste your time... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 12:12pm |
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They opened fire before the boarding.. pretty much everyone (US included) is really pissed off. The Israeli govt. essentially is currently in the same standing as Saddam was in the 90s. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 12:37pm |
 Coolness: 86545 | Originally Posted By DRTAKO IF PEOPLE STAYED OUT OF THE CONFLICT IT WOULD PROBABLY RESOLVE ITSELF.
yeeeshh... pretty ugly thing to say, man ok I have a lot to write and paste here - I know I'm gonna get people saying TL/DR but whatever man.. if you can't be bothered to read more than a paragraph on such a complex world issue then your opinion ain't really worth too much. the IDF has murdered countless civilians with gunfire and rocket attacks in crowded marketplaces.. * deliberately run over an American peace activist with a bulldozer.. 
*killed 14 men women and children bombing an apartment building, just to get one man. They publically announced the operation was "a success." [ www.palestinefacts.org ] They have repeatedly shown a complete disregard for the safety of civilians. How can you say that they should be trusted to resolve this matter? turning a blind eye to the willful killing of civilians - of any ethnicity - makes us not much better than the killers themselves as Einstein once said, "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." let's take this example: the infamous Sabra and Shatila massacres of 1982... an operation that was overseen by then Defense Minister, Ariel Sharon [ news.bbc.co.uk ] On 16 September 1982, under the watchful eye of their Israeli allies who had encircled the area, Lebanese Christian militiamen entered Beirut's Sabra and Shatila refugee camps bent on revenge for the assassination of their leader Bashir Gemayel. There followed a three-day orgy of rape and slaughter that left hundreds, possibly thousands, of innocent civilians dead in what is considered the bloodiest single incident of the Arab-Israeli conflict. 
Israeli children in Kiryat Shmona leaving messages on missiles meant for Lebanon, 2006 
Israeli White Phosphorus Artillery shell rains down fire on the civilians below 
civilians running for their lives 
one who didn't get away. civilian victim of Israeli "white phophorus" incendiary shell. *** this is a firsthand account of the aftermath of the Sabra and Shatila massacres, not long after the militia had left the camp. written by the brilliant Robert Fisk SABRA AND SHATILA By Robert Fisk What we found inside the Palestinian camp at ten o'clock on the morning of September 1982 did not quite beggar description, although it would have been easier to re-tell in the cold prose of a medical examination. There had been medical examinations before in Lebanon, but rarely on this scale and never overlooked by a regular, supposedly disciplined army. In the panic and hatred of battle, tens of thousands had been killed in this country. But these people, hundreds of them had been shot down unarmed. This was a mass killing, an incident - how easily we used the word "incident" in Lebanon - that was also an atrocity. It went beyond even what the Israelis would have in other circumstances called a terrorist activity. It was a war crime. Jenkins and Tveit were so overwhelmed by what we found in Chatila that at first we were unable to register our own shock. Bill Foley of AP had come with us. All he could say as he walked round was "Jesus Christ" over and over again. We might have accepted evidence of a few murders; even dozens of bodies, killed in the heat of combat. Bur there were women lying in houses with their skirts torn torn up to their waists and their legs wide apart, children with their throats cut, rows of young men shot in the back after being lined up at an execution wall. There were babies - blackened babies babies because they had been slaughtered more than 24-hours earlier and their small bodies were already in a state of decomposition - tossed into rubbish heaps alongside discarded US army ration tins, Israeli army equipment and empty bottles of whiskey. Where were the murderers? Or to use the Israelis' vocabulary, where were the "terrorists"? When we drove down to Chatila, we had seen the Israelis on the top of the apartments in the Avenue Camille Chamoun but they made no attempt to stop us. In fact, we had first been driven to the Bourj al-Barajneh camp because someone told us that there was a massacre there. All we saw was a Lebanese soldier chasing a car theif down a street. It was only when we were driving back past the entrance to Chatila that Jenkins decided to stop the car. "I don't like this", he said. "Where is everyone? What the f**k is that smell?" Just inside the the southern entrance to the camp, there used to be a number of single-story, concrete walled houses. I had conducted many interviews in these hovels in the late 1970's. When we walked across the muddy entrance to Chatila, we found that these buildings had been dynamited to the ground. There were cartridge cases across the main road. I saw several Israeli flare canisters, still attached to their tiny parachutes. Clouds of flies moved across the rubble, raiding parties with a nose for victory. Down a laneway to our right, no more than 50 yards from the entrance, there lay a pile of corpses. There were more than a dozen of them, young men whose arms and legs had been wrapped around each other in the agony of death. All had been shot point-blank range through the cheek, the bullet tearing away a line of flesh up to the ear and entering the brain. Some had vivid crimson or black scars down the left side of their throats. One had been castrated, his trousers torn open and a settlement of flies throbbing over his torn intestines. The eyes of these young men were all open. The youngest was only 12 or 13 years old. They were dressed in jeans and coloured shirts, the material absurdly tight over their flesh now that their bodies had begun to bloat in the heat. They had not been robbed. On one blackened wrist a Swiss watch recorded the correct time, the second hand still ticking round uselessly, expending the last energies of its dead owner. On the other side of the main road, up a track through the debris, we found the bodies of five women and several children. The women were middle-aged and their corpses lay draped over a pile of rubble. One lay on her back, her dress torn open and the head of a little girl emerging from behind her. The girl had short dark curly hair, her eyes were staring at us and there was a frown on her face. She was dead. Another child lay on the roadway like a discarded doll, her white dress stained with mud and dust. She could have been no more than three years old. The back of her head had been blown away by a bullet fired into her brain. One of the women also held a tiny baby to her body. The bullet that had passed into her breast had killed the baby too. Someone had slit open the woman's stomach, cutting sideways and then upwards, perhaps trying to kill her unborn child. Her eyes were wide open, her dark face frozen in horror. "...As we stood there, we heard a shout in Arabic from across the ruins. "They are coming back," a man was screaming, So we ran in fear towards the road. I think, in retrospect, that it was probably anger that stopped us from leaving, for we now waited near the entrance to the camp to glimpse the faces of the men who were responsible for all of this. They must have been sent in here with Israeli permission. They must have been armed by the Israelis. Their handiwork had clearly been watched - closely observed - by the Israelis who were still watching us through their field-glasses. When does a killing become an outrage? When does an atrocity become a massacre? Or, put another way, how many killings make a massacre? Thirty? A hundred? Three hundred? When is a massacre not a massacre? When the figures are too low? Or when the massacre is carried out by Israel’s friends rather than Israel's enemies? That, I suspected, was what this argument was about. If Syrian troops had crossed into Israel, surrounded a Kibbutz and allowed their Palestinian allies to slaughter the Jewish inhabitants, no Western news agency would waste its time afterwards arguing about whether or not it should be called a massacre. But in Beirut, the victims were Palestinians. The guilty were certainly Christian militiamen - from which particular unit we were still unsure - but the Israelis were also guilty. If the Israelis had not taken part in the killings, they had certainly sent militia into the camp. They had trained them, given them uniforms, handed them US army rations and Israeli medical equipment. Then they had watched the murderers in the camps, they had given them military assistance - the Israeli airforce had dropped all those flares to help the men who were murdering the inhabitants of Sabra and Chatila - and they had established military liason with the murderers in the camps I've posted this video before, but please watch it. The Israeli army tried to stop it from being aired but it was too late. the reason they don't want you to see it is because they don't want the world to know how monstrously the Palestinians are being treated. the British government did the same thing in Northern Ireland.. Any documentary of what was going on there had to be cleared by the British Army first before it could be aired. So a lot of great investigative journalism was never allowed to be seen. The British goverment doesn't want the world to know the bad things they have done, and neither do the Israelis. pure censorship what I see these punk ass soldiers do and say in this video sickens me. disgraceful. anyway please watch the vid and see for yourself. when I embed I am just getting a white square so here is link - [ www.youtube.com ] ^^^ that is an example of the conflict between the IDF and Paletinian refugees "resolving itself" |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 1:50pm |
| Coolness: 108845 | Thanks for the video recoil, I think I already saw it but it refreshed my memory.
Video Israel Doesn't Want You to See - And in regarding the delay in evacuating ... The army said this: - It's a mistaken. I'll claim it again: the real war is deciding where is the war happening. Originally Posted By BASDINI
it's so pointless to take sides in this debate, don't waste your time... Isreael having much greater firepower thus bullying Palestine is debatable. terrorism occur seldomly, it is very often asymmetrical warfare ; I'm sure "terrorists" would prefer to call the army HQ and tell them something like "ok we're 4 coming to fight until death with assault rifles, send us an equivalent for an honorable fight" but they know they'll get bombed by asymmetrical warfare as well. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 4:13pm |
| Coolness: 201265 | yeeeshh... pretty ugly thing to say, man
Fine, so lets keep the USA funding Israel's millitary and countless states funding hamas/other resistance organizations. Take away the bombs and money and people will think of peace. ANd I still think someone who stands in front of a bulldozer or attacks military guys with a rod is looking to get hurt / be a martyr. Update » nothingnopenope wrote on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 4:51pm [ www.timesonline.co.uk ]
Here is a much more heinous crime that happened recnetly, in Pakistan. Obviously since it is not Israel people don't care / even know about it. 93 killed in a Mosque, while praying, by the Taleban. |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 4:49pm |
| Coolness: 685630 | yeah, just like in this case; getting shot at and then boarded illegally in international waters, they were totally trying to be a martyr, there's no chance they were scared for their lives and trying to save themselves, I mean, everyone that gets shot at just sits there and accepts it like a peaceful, apathetic cow. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 4:57pm |
| Coolness: 201265 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
yeah, just like in this case; getting shot at and then boarded illegally in international waters, they were totally trying to be a martyr, there's no chance they were scared for their lives and trying to save themselves, I mean, everyone that gets shot at just sits there and accepts it like a peaceful, apathetic cow. Yeah they should have all fought to the death, all 600+ people.. that would have been a much better result. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 4:59pm |
| Coolness: 108845 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
[ www.juancole.com ] They opened fire before the boarding.. pretty much everyone (US included) is really pissed off. The Israeli govt. essentially is currently in the same standing as Saddam was in the 90s. Thanks for the video! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 5:46pm |
| Coolness: 201265 | I can't help but think this is completely intentional on the part of the activist group.
Israel soldiers killing turkish civilians is JUST TOO PERFECT, as Turkey had a relatively friendly relationship with Israel and is an important ally of the USA (they border iraq). The USA can't easily back out of this one and simply say Israel was defending itself, because it would piss off Turkey. THIS COULD BE used as a method to pressure Israel internationally, but I have a feeling it will just be used as an excuse for more violence. Update » nothingnopenope wrote on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 6:24pm Oh and here is some irony that I would like you guys to justify: The Turkish ships left for Israel from......... NORTHERN CYPRUS! which has been illegally occupied by Turkey for many years.
Their base of operations to help the 'occupied' is itself an occupation. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 8:46pm |
 Coolness: 93535 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
[ www.juancole.com ] They opened fire before the boarding.. pretty much everyone (US included) is really pissed off. The Israeli govt. essentially is currently in the same standing as Saddam was in the 90s. This shit's about to get real... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 9:24pm |
 Coolness: 282495 | Here's a good question, have any of you been to Israel OR Palestine? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» A.Singleton replied on Wed Jun 2, 2010 @ 12:41pm |
 Coolness: 33990 | Originally Posted By DRTAKO
ANd I still think someone who stands in front of a bulldozer or attacks military guys with a rod is looking to get hurt / be a martyr. Was this guy trying to be a martyr? or...  |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Wed Jun 2, 2010 @ 2:17pm |
| Coolness: 685630 | Looks like Ireland is going in next and telling Israel that they're not going to be intimidated out of bringing aid to those that are being treated like animals.
[ www.guardian.co.uk ] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Wed Jun 2, 2010 @ 4:55pm |
| Coolness: 108845 | Originally Posted By A.SINGLETON
Was this guy trying to be a martyr? or...
+1 ! The world need less right wingers. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Wed Jun 2, 2010 @ 7:36pm |
| Coolness: 86545 | Originally Posted By DRTAKO
Fine, so lets keep the USA funding Israel's millitary and countless states funding hamas/other resistance organizations. Take away the bombs and money and people will think of peace. ANd I still think someone who stands in front of a bulldozer or attacks military guys with a rod is looking to get hurt / be a martyr. Fine, so lets keep the USA funding Israel's millitary and countless states funding hamas/other resistance organizations. Take away the bombs and money and people will think of peace. ANd I still think someone who stands in front of a bulldozer or attacks military guys with a rod is looking to get hurt / be a martyr. Update » DrTako wrote on Tue Jun 1, 2010 @ 4:51pm from 96.20.162.38 [ [ www.timesonline.co.uk ] ] Here is a much more heinous crime that happened recnetly, in Pakistan. Obviously since it is not Israel people don't care / even know about it. 93 killed in a Mosque, while praying, by the Taleban. the US government will always back Israel's war hawks. they are happy to have a pro-US anti-Arabic nuclear power running things there there is a very strong conservative pro-Israel lobby in US, which elected officials can't ignore and also, a lot of nut-job neo-conservative Christians believe what is going on over there is the fulfillment of a Biblical prophecy (which is fucking scary) - so they will support the Israeli government no matter how many Arabs and Muslims they kill (preferably all of them) that said, I should point out... there is good and bad people everywhere.. I have a lot of Jewish friends and some Israeli friends. some are right wing and some are left wing and very against the occupation. so it's important not to refer to "Israelis" as though they are some unified entity. that's a misleading stereotype there are Israeli soldiers who quit the army and joined solidarity groups with Palestinians against the occupation. now they go around and tell people the things they were ordered to do by the government, and they tell them the terrible humiliating things that soldiers do on a daily basis to the refugees these guys are risking their lives to get the truth out, so I have the utmost respect for them it's just that the extremists on both sides don't want people to be friends - the people running Hamas and the people running the Israeli government want to brainwash good people into thinking the other side are all devils it's a very fucked up situation |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» raisinlove replied on Wed Jun 2, 2010 @ 8:18pm |
 Coolness: 62990 | fucking religion. when will the world grow up? |
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