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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 2:50pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 2:51pm |
 Coolness: 131620 | yea b movies can be really fun, even c (total crap) ones.
but teenage caveman ahaahaha. im dodging this one like MVP2 ft. mighty ducks, and anything ginet reno related. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 3:16pm |
 Coolness: 76735 | Ah Neko... just for you I will try to run IT on DosBox and churn out some magic. You are very correct. You master your samples first and you get better tracker results... BUT! That doesn't mean that the final mix will work.
If you have a bunch of normalized samples and they all contain a more or less full spectrum of frequency and are at top volume, the end will sound like mud unless you filter or eq those individual tracks in one way or another. Either way, you always have to master the end result of the track as well as your samples, or the quality suffers. Bandwidth, as usual, creates the problem, not so much original quality. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 3:25pm |
| Coolness: 131620 | tracker , you want a sound , you drop it.
there is something you dont want you take it out. i should have you listen to basehead or necros. you would understand that your complicating for nothing. they sound better than tracks i heard in the last years (technically). and thoses two coded their best track in mod, using fasttrackekr impulse or screamtracker using about a meg of ram. they cut their material on ORIGIN FX games, it RIPS the place down. not to talk about CoLDSToRAGE who did the same , and release tracks for the wipeout games series. btw if you use dos-box, and not a native install, the sound will not be the same at all. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 3:30pm |
| Coolness: 76735 | Originally Posted By CUTTERHEAD
btw if you use dos-box, and not a native install, the sound will not be the same at all. Yeah I figured... it'll be some shitty SB16 emu. Well you can say I'm complicating for nothing, but when you get used to using studio gear or decent monitors you start to get nitpicky and want to do all the work you can. Why just toss off a track without doing a final mixdown? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 3:32pm |
 Coolness: 91415 | Neko, please prove me wrong because my experiences with software mastering (on a native systems) always equal Fail (when it's only in one box, no second computer/recorder to catch the playback) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 3:46pm |
| Coolness: 131620 | you want a track ?
you have a mod player like skale tracker , deliplayer or noise tracker ? Update » cutterhead wrote on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 3:50pm christ it depends on whether you want to master it on your sound systems, of if you think its too cheap and want to port it to a better analog circuit / or add foreign rack effects.
im saying that its possible to master completely from one box if you have a proper soundsystem. your adding more with your soundsystem than your original it seems. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 3:52pm |
| Coolness: 91415 | I have the proper sound system. What i'm saying is once everything is perfect and i hit the render or bouce button, it ends up like crap, no definition and no punch Update » SourUltraFast wrote on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 3:55pm when i output on another machine (digital or analog), tadam! The result is WAY closer to the original than the rendered/bounced version |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 3:54pm |
| Coolness: 131620 | ? i have that button in my 3d software, not in my tracker. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 3:55pm |
| Coolness: 91415 | so what do you do to take your tunes out of the box
any prod software can render/bounce, no? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 3:56pm |
| Coolness: 131620 | i take the mod out ?!
a tracker is a player, at given times, where does it fail playing a perfect master if its a master your feeding in the first place ? WHAT YOU HEAR IS WHAT YOU SEE. Update » cutterhead wrote on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 3:58pm you said >> when i output on another machine (digital or analog), tadam! The result is WAY closer to the original than the rendered/bounced version
#me# shure , what ever, your recording newer presets for shure itll sound better, im saying you could have done the same if you would have work the software longer |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 3:57pm |
| Coolness: 91415 | Bon ben dans ce cas la dis pas que tu peux TOUTE faire dans un seul box |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 3:59pm |
| Coolness: 131620 | BIN OUI ! toi mem tu le dis que tu a besoin de loriginal Update » cutterhead wrote on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 4:01pm as i have to shovel and am quite not getting my message tru, ill just add : DIFFERENT FOLKS DIFFERENT STROKES. and HUNK HER DOWN YOU HARY DAWG. :P
takecare |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 4:08pm |
| Coolness: 91415 | ?
Ok, se comprends mal, là. Si on continue on va s'obstiner pour rien. Cke j'veux dire: mettons que j'ai un projet avec plusieurs pistes (tracker software, music prod. software), quand je fais un rendu stéréo dans ladite plateforme de travail, je suis loin d'avoir le résultat que j'avais si on compare le rendu avec le projet en-soi (les pistes qui jouent en même temps vs le "final" stéréo) Je disais donc que lorsque j'enregistre sur un média externe (CD burner, tape, un autre ordi) j'arrivais à kekchose ben plus proche de l'original pis la tu me dis de mieux checker mon mix dans le software. Pour en revenir à la question: peut-on faire un rendu stéréo "final" sur un tracker? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ufot replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 4:09pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 4:23pm |
| Coolness: 76735 | Oh bien sûr tu peux faire un rendu stéreo final sur un tracker. Mais de mes experiènces si tu veux utiliser une palette de sons en place de juste une piste de chaque sorte, tu sors un track de boue... les frequènces se battent et frappent le limiteur. T'as pas des faders dans ces programmes normalement (sauf Renoise, Fast Tracker, Screamtracker), alors t'as besoin au moins d'un machine externe et il faut que tu hack le MIDI du programme... je trouvait ça tellement poche, je ne veux pas dépenser des heures de créativité sur le logiciel. C pour ça qu'on aime Live et Renoise. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 4:29pm |
| Coolness: 131620 | false the tracker is a mixer, your limited to your imagination.
i will say it once more , YOU -CAN- , as in YESS BOY ILL WORK, to MASTER in a tracker. Update » cutterhead wrote on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 4:30pm okay you keep doing what your doing, im saying it has been done on this end. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 4:31pm |
| Coolness: 91415 | eerrrm
Originally Posted By CUTTERHEAD
i will say it once more , YOU -CAN- , as in YESS BOY ILL WORK, to MASTER in a tracker. et un peu plus tot: Originally Posted By CUTTERHEAD
? i have that button in my 3d software, not in my tracker. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 4:36pm |
| Coolness: 131620 | cest koi ton probleme ? Update » cutterhead wrote on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 4:43pm tesa pas capable dutiliser impulse tracker et de limiter les effets produit par le programme c'est parce que tu le maitrise pas bien.
c'est koi lidee dinventer des probemes de limiteur et de son qui oscille , cest le but de composer avec un tracker c'est de regler les problemes de "start" des samples. maintenant si tu sort tout lattiraille de ta cuisinne pour te faire un gateau ton osti de probleme a ranger apres , moi jte dis que si vous debarqueriez de votre tripes de on achete tout pensant cest meilleur vous verrerez que le technology de vla 40-50 ans (70s) est tout aussi efficace quand on y porte l'oreille et que lon laisse le "whinny for more" out the door. if you could put a COPYRIGHT on each of your samples , half the mastering would be done. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly replied on Thu Jan 8, 2009 @ 4:40pm |
| Coolness: 76735 | Ok no need to snipe him Mikael, I know Neko, he's a purist, and we don't think exactly the same. The key I think here is how much you want to dabble in the program versus the process. You can do it, but if you have more energy expended in the setup than the creative process you get a big fat fizzle.
I wrote shitloads of tracks in IT that I prefer in sheer intensity to newer tracks, but they were minimalist as hell. It was the price to pay, no easy way to incorporate phasers, reducers, or any other effects, and if you want to turn on the HPFs in IT you have to disable MIDI. I would know, I edited, formatted, and printed out the entire freaking manual so that I would have all my codes handy. But after a while you realize your limitations. In Renoise you can string together a seemingly endless string of F00, G00, R00, S00 commands, but in IT you get a little window on the side, you can put in some hex code for values and you have to convert all your numerals (and we usually don't work with too much math when recording on the fly) to 1F, 2A, etc... then you can only assign one effect per track per sample. I found myself hitting my head against this wall frequently. It's too simplified. To run a phaser effect, filtering, stomped distortion (that is, clean to distort like that), you pretty much have to find another program and create a long loop. Same as before, you need to use third party software to do the initial edits and then you can go apeshit in the tracker. In and of itself, the tracker will give you nothing on this level and you have to rely on another program to create samples, unless you want to exploit the most unique features of such a program, unsigning signed .wav files, and running any file as audio by having the program convert the raw data to sound. Sick effects, but limited. |
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