Originally Posted By DATABOY

Originally Posted By no_comply
No dude, i never said it was, but nor was the burden of proof on me. And solution? gee i dunno, how ppl stop generalizing? its shit like that that keeps digging the trench between everyone even deeper. I know you love to be negative, but what does it gain? You're not even being realist or pragmatic, just spreadin more slander.

It's really not hard to have a grasp on the problem, Databoy, but like i said, if you're not part of the solution...

Dude, you are so intelectualy dishonest that discussion with you is useless, but whetever... If you are to "call me out" quoting your personal experience, the burden of proof does fall on you, sir.

The fact that you must attack me personaly while only superficialy addressing my statement tell me that you have little else to contribute to this discussion than trolling.
So keep on smilling...

Originally Posted By NO_COMPLY

Originally Posted By databoy

Originally Posted By NO_COMPLY

Originally Posted By databoy
Most peoples around the world are prowd of speaking more than one language, but not anglos. For them, being uniligual is a right.

I can easily and equally say the same for alot of francos. Note I said some. If you want to keep credibility, try not to generalize. I am an anglo who speaks more than 1 language and wish i spoke more. Even my family in Ontario (born and raised) are all bilingual.

Whenever i decide to talk about the exeptions like your family and mine, you can jump in. I was however refering to the vast majority of anglos, hence the generalisation.

Naw man, you dont get it, it still makes you a hypocrite if you're trying to preach injustices while committing them yourself. I really doubt you've asked 'the vast majority of anglos' so really, get over yourself, let facts talk, not your ego.

Also, I can't even count how many times I've been told something along the lines of "You're in Quebec, speak French" (in french obviously).

Last I checked, this is a free fucking country and I can speak any goddamn language I want. I'm tired of hearing people tell me what language I have to speak to them in, it's completely fucking disrespectful.

Originally Posted By DATABOY

It would be nice if you brought a little more than your family tree to the table as your main argument.

Last I checked, this is a free fucking country and I can speak any goddamn language I want. I'm tired of hearing people tell me what language I have to speak to them in, it's completely fucking disrespectful.

Originally Posted By DATABOY

Originally Posted By no_comply

Originally Posted By DATABOY

Originally Posted By no_comply

Originally Posted By DATABOY

Most peoples around the world are prowd of speaking more than one language, but not anglos. For them, being uniligual is a right.

I can easily and equally say the same for alot of francos. Note I said some. If you want to keep credibility, try not to generalize. I am an anglo who speaks more than 1 language and wish i spoke more. Even my family in Ontario (born and raised) are all bilingual.

Whenever i decide to talk about the exeptions like your family and mine, you can jump in. I was however refering to the vast majority of anglos, hence the generalisation.

Naw man, you dont get it, it still makes you a hypocrite if you're trying to preach injustices while committing them yourself. I really doubt you've asked 'the vast majority of anglos' so really, get over yourself, let facts talk, not your ego.

You read way to much shit into what i write... ego driven post? preach injustice?
I believe you are projecting.
You are allowed to dissagree but calling me a hippocrite will get you nowhere.
If you dissagre, it would be nice if you brought a little more than your family tree to the table as your main argument.

Why I said what i did: Of course personal experience is a factor. I have family across Canada, most unilingual anglo exept for my imediate family witch is bilingual. Its not like they wouldnt like to speak french but give them the choice between a french lesson and a potery lesson...
I have been across Canada sevral times for work and for pleasure and i have come across the same attitude in about every province west of Quebec. Its mind boggling, I have met more bilingual Americans than Canadians. Anglo Canadians west of Quebec seem to have a passive agressive attitude towards french and are most of the time pissed to have to learn such a useless second language.
Whenever anyone bitches about the federal law forcing bilingualism on all civil servants, it's almost always unilingual anglos.

I am not saying part of the french canadians arent reluctant to learn english but almost half the province of Quebec is bilingual. I dare anyone to find as high a ratio in any other province. [ www40.statcan.gc.ca ]

I'm not trying to be negative, just sharing my personal experiance and some numbers.

Originally Posted By BASDINI

...you know majority means more than half whether it's 95% or 50.00000001% it's still more than half

Originally Posted By BASDINI

you got love arguing with neoform on the net, he believes that so long as he never admits to being wrong about anything he hasn't lost the argument, if you make a good point he ignores it, if you manage to shatter one of his arguments he ignores that, he's incredibly un charitable to his opponent and never concedes anything even the smallest of points, worst of all he has no respect for anything in the way of sources or reference that supports his oppenents view, if you use a source, like say a book or an article, regardless of who the writter is, neoform's attitude is always 'WHO GIVES A FUCK WHO THAT ASSHOLE IS OR WHAT HE THINKS'. Take for example the two that i mentioned (Dahl and Scowen) Dahl's book was considered groundbreaking when it came out about 20 years ago and is widely considered one of the best books on subject of democracy, Scowen's book was a national best seller when it came out and is used as a textbook in classes on Canadian politics in universities, but who cares what these guys think, certainly neoform is better informed. What was that book that neoform wrote, i just can't seem to remember...

Originally Posted By BASDINI

at the risk of sounding like a huge hypocrite...

i follow the following dictum when arguing with him

"if you should find yourself under personal attack
you will know for sure that you are on the right track"

ok, no more personal attacks, by anybody, let's try to stick to the subject,

Originally Posted By BASDINI

"50% + 1 is equally arbitrary. I've already explained this. Claiming that 75% should have to vote to keep Quebec part of Canada is a stupid argument. Keeping things the way they are does not need an overwhelming majority. 50% + 1 might be considered a "majority" in the strictest sense, but anyone with the slightest bit of common sense realizes it's not a legitimate claim to say that "the majority has spoken"."

yes, this would be true if we employed a different definition for 'majority', dude you've studied math, you know majority means more than half whether it's 95% or 50.00000001% it's still more than half and that is what democracy is all about, giving the most people what they want as often as possible. By the way is it a stupid argument because you disagree with it or do you disagree with it because it's a stupid arguement???

Originally Posted By BASDINI

If i can name one country that came into existence by a vote where 50% was enough, will you admit that you are wrong about something? The Baltic states were created like this, however if you don't like this because it's a 'plebicite' (a non binding referendum) then there is the example of east timor, there is whole list of them here [ ] you can look through them if you want and find the ones that only needed 50%+1 vote...

Originally Posted By BASDINI

nobody put a gun to anyones head...no one was forced to do anything, everyone who left did so of their own free will, try to keep things in perspective, there was no ethnic cleansing.

Originally Posted By DATABOY

Without language, we are no more advanced than apes. Language is where culture begins and it may very well be our the most distinguishing social characteristic.
Try to translate a poem. Its the hardest thing, not because the words dont have correspondents in each language, but because the meanings and the values are different.
I think that being bilingual gives us a skewed conception of the cultures associated to each of our languages because we take both for granted.
Being gray, we forget that some are all black and some are all white.

...just a thought.

Originally Posted By MASA

Errrrr. ok.

What's your beef with French, neoform? Did French touch you in the wrong places as a child?