New Metro/bus Strike On The Way
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Tue May 22, 2007 @ 8:57pm |
 Coolness: 106155 | Originally Posted By BAAMUTH
As for companies, the bigger the company, usually, the better the employees are treated, salary and social advantages wise. The bigger the company, the more likely its workforce is unionised. Corelation or coincidence? hmmm... But big companies with an un-unionised workforce like McDonalds or Walmart, offer very little. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue May 22, 2007 @ 9:00pm |
 Coolness: 339705 | government owned companies should simply pay the industry average and fire anyone who tries to unionize since government services are critical services that should not be permitted to strike.
if they get employment problems, then raise the pay, but make sure it's known that the salaries will never exceed industry norms. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rave_dolphin replied on Tue May 22, 2007 @ 9:03pm |
 Coolness: 86930 | I work at Reader`s Digest ... no Union, good pay and good social advantages nonetheless ;)
I also think government employee shouldn`t be allowed to go to strike ... there is other ways to manifest discontent anyway ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Niji replied on Tue May 22, 2007 @ 9:05pm |
 Coolness: 70255 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
Comparing a stcum worker to someone who flips burgers is naive and misleading. The stcum worker is a person with a cariere who will contribute to the economie in a positive way by buying a house, by making children, ect. Absolutely. But, by going on strike, who do they kick in the ass ? Not the big guys with their big cars... they make US, mostly people with salaries equal or smaller than theirs, suffer. The more I think about it, the less I am convinced that they don't deserve what they ask for... I just don't know how they should ask for it. What I'm sure about, though, is that making people in worse conditions suffer for their claims definitely isn't the way to go. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue May 22, 2007 @ 9:06pm |
| Coolness: 339705 | I just got a 'you could win $1000 a week for life!! don't pass up this chance!!' letter in the mail for you guys.
I'm SO excited I'm gonna win, i know it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rave_dolphin replied on Tue May 22, 2007 @ 9:11pm |
| Coolness: 86930 | hahaha ... Actually, I'm not part of this, I'm in the branch that sell candy bars to boy scouts, so they can sell them to you ! ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Tue May 22, 2007 @ 9:35pm |
 Coolness: 201265 | databoy: first do you have a car? Does this strike have any effect on you?
I've worked in companies with unions, my dad is in a company that has a union. They are bad. Almost criminal. There is tons of corruption and the workers aren't really protected in the ways they should be. It's all about how much pay you get, the benefits, the pension, but they don't address the psychological abuse that happens in a large corporation. Unions fought for the 40 hour workweek long ago and won that battle, they aren't really needed now. Update » nothingnopenope wrote on Tue May 22, 2007 @ 9:38pm besides, unions make employees feel comfortable, and docile. People should be encouraged to always try and push themselves harder, not sit around and be sedated. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» sex.is.boring replied on Tue May 22, 2007 @ 9:37pm |
 Coolness: 78310 | i don't think you can complain when you're paid something like 20 $ an hour to clean up a metro station... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Niji replied on Tue May 22, 2007 @ 9:44pm |
| Coolness: 70255 | Originally Posted By SCOTTYPUNIONS FOUGHT FOR THE 40 HOUR WORKWEEK LONG AGO AND WON THAT BATTLE, THEY AREN'T REALLY NEEDED NOW.
I've never worked for a unionized company. I've worked 35 hours/week for my last employer, same thing with my new one. According to my impressions, alongside with the reports from people who have run companies... People who run non unionized companies are now treating their employees real well in order to avoid that the unions come into play. I think that's good. It does show the use of unions... Treat your employees as well as you think they should to be happy. Else they'll use other means. But I really do think that unions, nowadays, abuse both employers and employers. At least after a while. I think that the definition of union should be changed completely. You know. Instead of always being in a union which defends experience over competence and eats XX% of your pay and then go on strike when things go real bad.... Don't have a union, and form one whenever things go real bad ! [/wine][/sake] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Tue May 22, 2007 @ 10:01pm |
| Coolness: 106155 | I walk to work everyday :)
Unions aren't perfect but nothing in society is. Its still better to have them than to not. Even no-unionised workers benifit. Some companies will offer good salary's and conditions to keep the unions at bay. I have nothing against that. neway, Being on strike is not fun. When you have a mortgage on a house and 2 kids in kindergarden, it can be quite trickey to budjet of 200$ a week. Believe me, the bus drivers, maintenence workers, janitors all want things to get back to normal as quick as possible. If you want things to come back to normal, write a mail to the mayor and ask him to fix the situation. Calling your busdriver a jackass certanly wont help. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Atrix replied on Tue May 22, 2007 @ 10:18pm |
 Coolness: 55330 | Yes, the strike is a pain, but on one level (that really pisses me off) I gotta respect their right to strike. I might disagree with their tactics at times, but I personally can't say I'm inconvenienced as I can commute during my normal rush hours, since they compromised. I might not agree with the frequency the stm takes action. As a teacher I think they strike over far better conditions (i.e.$$$) than I personally experience. Then again, summers off, weekends, tenure, and med/dent all soften my situation and I got that because at some point there was a strike to get those benefits. Teacher strikes are a total bitch to everyone, unless you go to highschool have no kids.
BTW It isn't the custodial staff that is on strike!! I made that mistake and thought I'd make the 6 hours of work they do on strike intense. I even brought a marker and tagged my way to work, and tore up 3 metro newsrags to make their work harder. Found out it was the mechanical maintenance staff. Not the drivers or cleaners. I'm such a fucking twat. It's a neccesary evil process that you gotta deal with if you wanna be civilized like we is. Databoy is right. Get active and call the numbers and harrass whoever you got to harrass. Or tag the metros. Just make it interesting. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead replied on Tue May 22, 2007 @ 10:27pm |
 Coolness: 75710 | I would hope that everyone understands what a union is and how it works - but at the same time I don't have a lot of sympathy for this particular union. These are the same guys that went on strike a couple of years ago - which wreaked havoc on schedules for a lot of people - and hurt a lot of small businesses (a number of places I went by today had signs posted saying they'd be closing an hour early so that employees would be able to get home).
I'm all for the right to strike if it's to protest unsafe working conditions or something similar... but if it's simply a question of wanting more money, then I think there has to be another way to do it. Send it to arbitration, but a strike should be the last resort... and it seems to me that's not the case here. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue May 22, 2007 @ 11:37pm |
| Coolness: 339705 | Originally Posted By FISHEAD
These are the same guys that went on strike a couple of years ago - which wreaked havoc on schedules for a lot of people No.. these are the guys who have gone on strike 15 times in the past 4 decades. That is unheard of. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 12:04am |
 Coolness: 145240 | the worst part about this is that from what i understand this is all over 22million dollars in money one way or the other, my question is, didn't we (province of quebec) just get 1.5 BILLION from the feds before the election what happened to that did it just evaporate in to the air? Quebec is just run so badly, there has to be more accountability in the province. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DrGonzo replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 12:07am |
 Coolness: 265995 | i think we should invest all that money in developping teleportation devices. :D
either that or invest it in foetus mass production. foetus with soy sauce! and dumplings! or peanut butter and jelly samiches. with foetus. and herpes. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Eve-Hill replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 12:08am |
 Coolness: 71800 | Im doing okey right now since I have a bike and rollerblades, I just worry about what I'll wind up doing when it rains :S. Everyone at my work used to be cool with living in NDG and working on Nuns Island..not the case anymore. I feel bad for the people who really depend on the metro and bus a hell of a lot more than i do. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 7:50am |
| Coolness: 201265 | I walk to work everyday :)
Good for you, are you telling my friends who live in the western part of the city to walk 3 hours in each direction to their work in the north of the island? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 8:23am |
 Coolness: 102805 | Look it's pretty fucking simple.
( i wrote it as if i was addressing to the strikers ) If you don't like your job or pay then quit and find something better. If you can't find something better, go get a higher education. If you don't want do either, then you should shut and keep working. 'cause i am pretty sure mechanic grads are willing to replace you, and probably will work for less. Unions exist to protect workers from mismanagement and striving for better working conditions. Unions are not made to blackmail corporations for more money. This is pure extortion. 15th extortion in the the 40 years. 2 times in 4 years. And the public and businesses is paying for it. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 8:28am |
 Coolness: 153045 | unions aren't meant to be bad, but now they are, i worked i a place where i was unionized, and everything was crap, now im working in a place not unionized, and we have a good pay, good insurances, good everything, you know what i mean...
getting a union in here would just fuck everything up... if a company is THAT bad, instead of paying for a union, witch will suck money from your pocket more that it will do everything else.. why dont they find another job, there are plenty, i dont even have a sec 5 and i never was unemployed, and i dont work at 8 or 10$/h ... so this thing is just a big ass scam, i went one day to the stcum bus depot, where they repair bus, to get directions, what do i see? nothing ... i walk for like 5 min in their big ass depot, nothing, no sound, oops! i see an office, get in and see like 4-5 mechanics, watching videos on youtube, and believe me.. they were not on break! so i know some of them really wants to work, and i say wants, because i bet it happens like that, the young guy come in and start working, and the older people tells him to calm down and do nothing, because their bosses will see that with the young guy the job gets done and force the old one to work, but they dont want to... i have worked in places where it works like that, so why not at the stcum, of what i saw, it could be really like this ... anyways, this sucks and i will pee in some stcum employees face... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Raius replied on Wed May 23, 2007 @ 9:25am |
 Coolness: 38225 | The mayor doesn't need to fix this, he offered a very reasonable deal the Unions refuse to listen to reason and like a whining child need to be slapped down. I'm part of a Union by the way not by choice but I can see where they are useful. The problem is this Union won't bargain the City has stated it will meet their demands but they need to wait one year because right now there is a wage freeze as a temporary measure to cut costs this year. These people allready make more than I do and I manage to live pretty well so waiting 1 year won't kill them.
The larger problem is the city can't cave to the Unions not when the real fight is coming up the Union everyone can't stand is about to need to negotiate for a contract, the Unions all the street cleaners are part of the blue collar workers Union. You remeber them the Union that made sure a guy who spent a week in a coffee shop instead of doing his fucking job because it was beneath him to drive the little street cleaners. I don't show up for a week even with a Union I expect my ass kicked out the door unless I have a very good reason, I think it's beneath me to do this isn't one of those reasons. Anyhow the Unions were offered better raises than most of us are getting the next 3 years but it's just not enough for them, they need more money and they throw around the word solidarity like it means something. Quebec is a Union friendly province and always has been, but more and more people are getting fed up with unions and the way they hold the public hostage. Business will go out of business over this, people are renting cars, paying taxi's, I have to rollerblade an hour to work which could be worse but stillmy 8 hour job now has a 2 hour commute unless I want to pay money on top on the money I allready spent on my bus pass which is now a more or less worthless piece of plastic. Wow this went on way longer than I expected but yeah don't write the mayor, write the union better yet organize mass public rallies against the Union, setup a picket show them how it feels to have their lives disrupted. |
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