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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo replied on Tue Nov 15, 2005 @ 9:12pm |
 Coolness: 146455 | Originally posted by [SCREWHEAD]...
French culture = poutine and steamies ARGH !! i can't believe this. i don't know what's 'steamies', but poutine is totally an american thing !! i don't know why 'french fries' are called 'french', they're just not part of french culture. the gravy sauce is 100% english-american, and the cheese is the (almost) only kind of cheese that's not part of french gastronomy. well i'd like an explanation about this "french culture" and "poutine" association !! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mr_Frog replied on Tue Nov 15, 2005 @ 11:00pm |
 Coolness: 97230 | la frite sauce est américaine, mais les fast-food québécois, y'a des décennies, ont décidé d'ajoute du fromage dans la frite sauce, pour donner la poutine!
L'idée est pas mal utilisée partout ou y'a du gros gras trans maintenant, et ceux qui sont tant desillusionnés que ca sur les aptitudes du Québec et des Québécois devrait voir, en fond et en comble, ailleurs, comment c'est. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Nov 15, 2005 @ 11:07pm |
 Coolness: 92395 | Originally posted by FLO...
Originally posted by [Screwhead]...
French culture = poutine and steamies ARGH !! i can't believe this. i don't know what's 'steamies', but poutine is totally an american thing !! i don't know why 'french fries' are called 'french', they're just not part of french culture. the gravy sauce is 100% english-american, and the cheese is the (almost) only kind of cheese that's not part of french gastronomy. well i'd like an explanation about this "french culture" and "poutine" association !! cause it's not France french, it's Quebecois. You're from France? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo replied on Tue Nov 15, 2005 @ 11:21pm |
| Coolness: 146455 | hooooo ok ok then... i'm beginning to understand that 'french' means 'french-speaking-québécois' here, rather than 'french from france'
and yup i'm a french guy from france (where poutine just don't exist !) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Nov 15, 2005 @ 11:52pm |
| Coolness: 92395 | yeah, I guess it must be pretty confusing, but normally if people here mean french from France, they will probably specify from France.. usually. Don't worry though, as far as I know, poutine was the only food invented here. I dunno where the term french fries comes from though.
So where in France do you come from? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Wed Nov 16, 2005 @ 10:54am |
 Coolness: 75400 | Ta-da!
The logical explanation of the origin of the North American name of the dish is that it derives from potatoes that have been "fried in the French manner". The English verb fry is ambiguous: it can refer to both to sautéing and to deep-fat frying, while the French "pommes frîtes" ("fried potatoes") refers unambiguously to deep frying. Some feel that the word "french" in "french fries" is refers to the verb "to french", which means "to cut in thin lengthwise strips before cooking" (Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Tenth Ed.) On the other hand, "to french" is defined as "to prepare, as a chop, by partially cutting the meat from the shank and leaving bare the bone so as to fit it for convenient handling" (Oxford English Dictionary) in other dictionaries, seeming to suggest that the meaning of this process is not necessarily as set as it may appear. In addition, the verb "to french" did not start appearing until after "french fried potatoes" had appeared in the English-speaking world. In any case, the first f in french fries is generally written in lower case, because it does not refer directly to nationality. Other accounts say that they were once called 'German fries' but the name was changed either for political reasons (Germany was once the enemy of the United States) or simple historical reasons (a traditional theory poses that it was in France during World War I that American soldiers first encountered the dish). This seems unlikely, as Germany was not as famous for its "french fries" as other European countries, in addition to the fact that German immigrants did not seem to bring the dish over to the United States. The Belgians are noted for claiming that french fries are Belgian in origin, but have presented no absolute evidence; the French have also been cited as possible creators of the dish, though most in France associated fries with Belgium. The Spanish claim that the dish was invented in Spain, the first European country in which the potato appeared via the New World colonies, and then spread to Belgium which was then under Spanish rule. Whether or not french fries were invented in Belgium, they have become the national dish, and they are the "symbolic" creators, at least for the rest of Europe. French fries have gained international prominence perhaps partly due to their pre-eminence in fast-food menus, propagated by fast-food chains like McDonald's and Burger King (Hungry Jacks in Australia). This came about through the introduction of the frozen french fry invented by the J.R. Simplot Company in the early 1950's. Prior to the legendary handshake deal between Ray Kroc of McDonald's and Jack Simplot of the J.R. Simplot Company, fries were hand cut and peeled in the back of McDonald's stores, but the advent of the frozen product dovetailed with Kroc's need for quick prep products and expansion of his new franchise across America. In America, french fries are typically served with hamburgers, a latter-day descendent of the French "steak-frites" combination. They are also often eaten with meat, fish, and vegetables or by themselves. They also make up half of the classic food combinations fish and chips and "moules-frites", a popular Belgian dish consisting of steamed mussels and french fries. Another claim is that the inclusion of the word "French" in the fried potatoes is most likely a confusion as to the nationality of those who introduced the food to American and Canadian soldiers in World War I. When American and Canadian soldiers were stationed in southern Belgium, where many major battles of World War I took place, they were served "pommes frites". Since the region of Belgium the soldiers were in was predominantly French-speaking, the soldiers brought the dish back to the United States as "french fries". Thanks wikipedia! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo replied on Wed Nov 16, 2005 @ 10:57am |
| Coolness: 146455 | OK thanks for the enlightenment :)
But the fact is that i actually like poutine ! (well, i have to get some weed before...) I come from Valence, south-east, 100km south from Lyon and 200km north from Marseille... but i'm wondering whether it's a good idea to turn a politics-related thread into a conversation about me and the realm of mystical food ! well... i guess it's not. anyway... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Wed Nov 16, 2005 @ 11:14am |
| Coolness: 75400 | Bah... we could talk about cookies if you prefer? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo replied on Wed Nov 16, 2005 @ 11:19am |
| Coolness: 146455 | what kind of cookies do you think andré boisclair prefers ?
(i don't mind whoring a thread if it's with you ;)) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Nov 16, 2005 @ 4:34pm |
 Coolness: 339795 | Fred got it wrong, quebec cutlure is: Pepsi, May-West and Lays (for breakfast). |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Wed Nov 16, 2005 @ 8:40pm |
| Coolness: 75400 | pepsi, may west, du maurier... more like... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo replied on Wed Nov 16, 2005 @ 9:06pm |
| Coolness: 146455 | lay's are even exported to france ! (pepsi too obviously) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Wed Nov 16, 2005 @ 9:29pm |
 Coolness: 85065 | Originally posted by MOONDANCER...
Originally posted by No_Comply...
Originally posted by Mico!...
.Cuz you know, you cant learn French in an English school.. thats not good enough regardless of the fact that everyone i know did. You don't learn shit for french in english school. Walk into any given english highschool and try to talk to the kids in french... they don't even wanna know. i did |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Wed Nov 16, 2005 @ 9:30pm |
| Coolness: 75400 | Originally posted by FLO...
lay's are even exported to france ! (pepsi too obviously) I was talking about quebecois again. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo replied on Thu Nov 17, 2005 @ 4:14am |
| Coolness: 146455 | errr yeah me too. hehe
hey and it's true that "french fries" are part of the belgian gastronomy, definitely. but i prefer their beeeeeer anyway. QUEBEC rules :) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Thu Nov 17, 2005 @ 4:24am |
| Coolness: 75400 | I dig it here. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply replied on Thu Nov 17, 2005 @ 8:57am |
| Coolness: 85065 | Originally posted by FLO...
errr yeah me too. hehe hey and it's true that "french fries" are part of the belgian gastronomy, definitely. but i prefer their beeeeeer anyway. QUEBEC rules :) you mean freedom fries, freedomie |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo replied on Thu Nov 17, 2005 @ 12:58pm |
| Coolness: 146455 | err i didn't get it :/ |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» trashandsuicide replied on Thu Nov 17, 2005 @ 4:45pm |
| Coolness: 75400 | American's renamed French Fries to freedom fries when france spoke out against the war.. so they were pouring french wine down toilets and calling french fries freedom fries.. because france was considered unpatriotic. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo replied on Thu Nov 17, 2005 @ 8:31pm |
| Coolness: 146455 | LOL !
ok then. i'd never heard about any of this :p "patriotic" haha... sometimes i just wish that US-american "patriots" eventually grow up, without having to go through another world war and then wasting their more lucid "comrades"... (yeah i meant comREDs :p) |
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